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Subject: Why Bungie WOULD NOT do a prequel.

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So Halo: Reach is set in the future after Master Chief has been busay! and made loads of mini Chiefs?

  • 06.23.2009 7:39 AM PDT

you could really make anything from this. Who knows, maybe MC really is floating toward reach but he was forced through a black hole to go back in time o_o. No not really that would be dumb. It will be interesting to learn more of the story line as time goes.

  • 06.23.2009 7:44 AM PDT

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Um... yeah... I'm going to have to say no to this one.

It's too bad that you wasted your breath considering it's already been confirmed as a prequel...

  • 06.23.2009 7:54 AM PDT

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You do realise that this is made by Bungie and not Ensemble studios. Instantly good...

  • 06.23.2009 8:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: JamieO
Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8692/proof1b.jpg
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I liked Halo wars, thought it was a fine addition to the Halo Universe

And am I the only one that can't see the similarity between those two pictures

and the tagg like

"From the Beginning, you know the end" kinda tells us that it's a prequal


now do you see it?

the second pic looks like the land is very different, looks like all the water is gone, maybe the halo 3 legendary ending can't show details as good as the pre-rendered footage (likely) but they are obviously the same planet.

i mean they even did this like this (2nd pic reach trailer, flipped horizontally) also bungie doesn't seem good with suns, why is there a red sun but a blue reflection on the planet???... maybe 2 suns?.... the red ones a slip space rupture?

to the people that say the suns are different: maybe bungie didn't want the secret revealed so early, they knew that people would see a resemblance, by changing it people will continuously discuss it and give hype to this game.. bungie does this a lot.

if it's not reach OK. you were right i was wrong, but right now all the evidence is pointing to the planets being the same IMO.


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  • 06.23.2009 8:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: sito5
The planet in hal0 3 is probably reach, but glassed . Considering that it looks like metal.


When a planet is glassed, it turns into GLASS, not metal. And there are no city lights leftover, because all of the cities get melted and turned into GLASS, not metal. So how would you explain the lights and designs on the planet then, if there arent any leftover since the planet got glassed? And what about the oceans?

I honestly cannot see how anyone thinks the planet is reach. It looks much more like a forerunner built world than anything to me.

  • 06.23.2009 8:59 AM PDT

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Some points that go against your idea.

1) Why would the trailer show (in audio) what the lookouts said just as the covenant arrived in the system?
2) Who are the other spartans? And how are they there?
3) Why does the picture show covenant ships glassing the planet again?
4) What would be so good about a game that involves master cheif landing on a planet that has been glassed to hell and has nothing that could support any life?

  • 06.23.2009 8:59 AM PDT
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If it was Halo 4 it'd be called Halo 4. Instead it's a prequal to Halo:CE and is therefor called Halo:Reach instead of Halo 4. /thread

  • 06.23.2009 9:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
Everyone knows within the gaming unvierse that prequels do not work. Why? Because for there to be a prequel, you would have had to played the sequel to the prequel (no pun intended).
No they don't.

Halo Wars. Massive hype, terrible outcome. Bungie and no doubt Microsoft would have learnt from this that doing a prequel where you know the outcome (to a certain extent) wouldn't work.HW didn't do that well because it was not an RTS. Not as many people play RTSes as FPSes (especially on consoles).

Halo: Fall of Reach. An indepth book by Eric Nylund. Theres no way in hell that Bungie would base a game on a book that has 386 pages of indepth detail on Reach. What would be the point? What could there be that Bungie could add that wasn't written about in detai? I think that it's foolish to believe that Halo REACH is about Halo: The Fall of Reach. If you notice the game "Falls" 2010, like how ODST "Drops" 2009. I think that Falls refers to the Spartans' fall from the Pelican to the surface, in which case we would be Red Team members. If S-259 and -320 are main characters, we will be from Team Beta, a group of 11 Spartans whose stories were untold in TFoR and FS (they didnt even get names or numbers). Look at this, there is a ton of stuff that they could do.

  • 06.23.2009 9:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
Everyone knows within the gaming unvierse that prequels do not work. Why? Because for there to be a prequel, you would have had to played the sequel to the prequel (no pun intended).
Really? So Metal Gear Solid 3, for example, was a failure? Interesting.

Halo Wars. Massive hype, terrible outcome. Bungie and no doubt Microsoft would have learnt from this that doing a prequel where you know the outcome (to a certain extent) wouldn't work.Only because the gameplay was so simple by RTS standards, plus there were only a few strategies that worked.

Halo: Fall of Reach. An indepth book by Eric Nylund. Theres no way in hell that Bungie would base a game on a book that has 386 pages of indepth detail on Reach. What would be the point? What could there be that Bungie could add that wasn't written about in detail? What's wrong with seeing how Reach fell? It's okay to read about something, but to actually witness it, takes more than words to describe.

At the end of Halo 3 and The Halo Reach trailer, there are 2 planets. Can you see a difference?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8692/proof1b.jpg
Yes, I do see some differences. Planet in Halo 3 has Forerunner symbols, Reach does not. Planet in Halo 3 has a metallic surface, Reach does not. There are different colored suns. Need I go on?

So now you say, well it's not the same planet.Because it isn't the same planet.

But think about this ladies and gents, why would Bungie create 2 almost indentical planets? Surely they knew that would cause wild speculation and set themsel;ves up for an inevetible downfall?If that's you think, sure.

I rest my case.Okay, what little of a case you had.
Owned.

I agree with AK, prequels have great potential and Halo Wars, from the accounts that I've heard, had a good storyline but the style of RTS wasn't up to par. This wasn't due to the fact that it was prequel, and if the RTS engine were better, the prequel would have been good.

  • 06.23.2009 9:09 AM PDT
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Why can you not see that it is indeed a prequel! Listen to the trailer it talks about the covenant attacking reach, but no guys that some freaky planet at the end of Halo 3 OR Master Cheif was telaported back in time to Reach where he knows the end but no one else does, I am tired of hear mental theories it is prequel what more does Bungie have to do, the name is Halo: Reach you do know what that is right the planet that was glassed just hours before the start of Halo: CE not some freakin' legendary planet at the end of halo 3 this guy and many others are failing to see what is right before their eyes HALO:REACH<--------- REACH LIKE THE PLANET THAT WAS GLASSED HOURS BEFORE THE START OF HALO: CE woooo so mysterious....

  • 06.23.2009 9:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
Everyone knows within the gaming unvierse that prequels do not work. Why? Because for there to be a prequel, you would have had to played the sequel to the prequel (no pun intended).
This appears to be a made up fact. Since when is it widely accepted that prequels in games do not work? Never, as far as I know. Additionally, your assertion that you need to have played the original game to undestand a prequel is patently wrong. In fact, it's an absurd statement.

Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
Halo Wars. Massive hype, terrible outcome. Bungie and no doubt Microsoft would have learnt from this that doing a prequel where you know the outcome (to a certain extent) wouldn't work.
It is only your opinion that Halo Wars was a terrible game. Most people I know who played the game would disagree with you. You also give no indication for how being a prequel to the events of the Halo trilogy was the cause of Halo Wars being a bad game.

Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
Halo: Fall of Reach. An indepth book by Eric Nylund. Theres no way in hell that Bungie would base a game on a book that has 386 pages of indepth detail on Reach. What would be the point? What could there be that Bungie could add that wasn't written about in detai?
You're talking about planetary invasion on a grand scale. Eric Nylunds book focused on the activities of One group of Spartans. Do you believe that was the only story worth telling in the event or that there isn't possibly more to the story to tell? It would be naive for you to believe this.

Posted by: TItan Of Saturn
At the end of Halo 3 and The Halo Reach trailer, there are 2 planets. Can you see a difference?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8692/proof1b.jpg

So now you say, well it's not the same planet.

But think about this ladies and gents, why would Bungie create 2 almost indentical planets? Surely they knew that would cause wild speculation and set themsel;ves up for an inevetible downfall?

I rest my case.
So your entire badly supported argument comes down to your need to believe that the game takes place on the planet at the end of Halo 3? Ridiculous. If you want to support your rushed assumptions then you'll need to do better than present a bunch of wild claims concerning things that "everyone knows" and stuff that "Bungie wouldn't do". Your entire argument is sad.

  • 06.23.2009 9:16 AM PDT
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bungie wouldn't do a prequel? Is that why its confirmed to be a prequel?

  • 06.23.2009 9:16 AM PDT

Please no?

  • 06.23.2009 9:17 AM PDT

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Why do people constantly forget two very important ponts about Halo Wars?

One. It was crap because it was made by Ensamble. How does the word 'Ensamble' look or sound anything like the word 'Bungie'?

Two, while the gameplay was poor, the story of Halo Wars was actually pretty impressive and one of the few things that made Halo Wars playable.

Please remember that it wasn;t the setting that caused Halo Wars to fail, it was the gameplay. Bungie won't decide not to make a prequel because Halo Wars failed, they'll just make sure they never let any one else make use of their franchise.

And the point about the book? Not many people have read the book, so this could be a good way of telling the story to those who havn;t or simply couldn't be bothered. Plus, the books are not completely cannon: While Bungie accepts the events in the books, in the end, they have full control over the story, and if they want to change something, add something or completely remove something, they can.

And for the final time, the planets are not the bloody same! Ever get the hint from the different coloured suns, each on a different side? Or the fact that the symbols on the Forerunner planet in Halo 3 are different from the symbols on the planet in Halo: Reach?

And if that doesn't convince your feeble little mind, let me tell you this: After the Fall of Reach, the planet never became re-colonised. Some that survived stayed, but the cities never quite came back online. They would be in a similar state as Mombassa and would mostly remain so.
Now, the lights on Reach seen in the trailer are caused by the cities. Once the cities where detroyed, the only light created was from the fire, which would not have formed neat little patterns as seen in the Halo 3 planet. And even if they did, do you really think they would continue to burn in the same places in the same patter for that long? Think realistically!

Don't say 'I rest my case', unless you've made sure your argument was water-tight and believable, it makes you sound like an idiot otherwise.

Idiot.

  • 06.23.2009 9:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: BurntBiscuits
Plus, the books are not completely cannon: While Bungie accepts the events in the books, in the end, they have full control over the story, and if they want to change something, add something or completely remove something, they can.
The books are completely canon, like the games. But if Bungie being able to remove and change stuff from the books if they want, and that makes them non-canon, the same can be said about the games, because Bungie can change whatever they want there as well (ex. the Brutes in ODST should have been Elites).

  • 06.23.2009 9:28 AM PDT

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In ODST it was always going to be Brutes? The elites were being pushed out of the covenant well before Regret jumped space. That said there should be some elites but to my knowledge, the elites are being shadowed my a move by the prophets, that will replace the brutes with the elites.


That said why can't people accept that it is a prequel, this silly logic is starting to infect my mind ><. You try reading the same crap over and over again^^.

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  • 06.23.2009 9:34 AM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

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As long as you dont say it's time travel, or the 2 planets are the same, speculate what you want.

  • 06.23.2009 9:35 AM PDT

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In ODST it was always going to be Brutes? The elites were being pushed out of the covenant well before Regret jumped space. That said there should be some elites but to my knowledge, the elites are being shadowed my a move by the prophets, that will replace the brutes with the elites.
It was explained away by Bungie, but it makes no sense whatsoever. There is no way that there would be no Elites present in Mombasa, literally moments after the Chief left. There's no way they got pushed out by then, and the Brutes got their own ranks set up (the flashback missions happen right after Regret jumps to slipspace).

  • 06.23.2009 9:35 AM PDT

Posted by: TItan Of Saturn

At the end of Halo 3 and The Halo Reach trailer, there are 2 planets. Can you see a difference?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8692/proof1b.jpg

So now you say, well it's not the same planet.

But think about this ladies and gents, why would Bungie create 2 almost indentical planets? Surely they knew that would cause wild speculation and set themsel;ves up for an inevetible downfall?

I rest my case.


Actually yes, I can see the difference. One has oceans and a red sun, the other doesn't. Suns don't just randomly swap out, no matter what "timeline" you're following.

I can just as easily argue that he's in the Star Wars universe with the picture of Coruscant that I've shown before. Look! It has circular patterns on it just like the Legendary Ending of Halo 3!

Honestly I don't know why people overthink these things, as soon as Halo: Reach comes out, 9/10 of the theory-crafters out there are going to feel like idiots for defending their wrong views with so much fervor.

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In Halo: Reach, the blockbuster prequel to the Halo trilogy, experience the events that transpired on the planet Reach. Created by acclaimed developer Bungie, Halo: Reach will be available in the fall of 2010 exclusively on Xbox 360. As a bonus for Halo fans, Halo 3: ODST will be the key to entry for the Halo: Reach multiplayer beta coming to Xbox LIVE.
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  • 06.23.2009 9:54 AM PDT

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Luckily I have Pikachu.

In Halo: Reach, the blockbuster prequel to the Halo trilogy, experience the events that transpired on the planet Reach. Created by acclaimed developer Bungie, Halo: Reach will be available in the fall of 2010 exclusively on Xbox 360. As a bonus for Halo fans, Halo 3: ODST will be the key to entry for the Halo: Reach multiplayer beta coming to Xbox LIVE.
Lame theory number 1000 debunked.


[Edited on 06.23.2009 9:58 AM PDT]

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: Mc Scarlett
In ODST it was always going to be Brutes? The elites were being pushed out of the covenant well before Regret jumped space. That said there should be some elites but to my knowledge, the elites are being shadowed my a move by the prophets, that will replace the brutes with the elites.
It was explained away by Bungie, but it makes no sense whatsoever. There is no way that there would be no Elites present in Mombasa, literally moments after the Chief left. There's no way they got pushed out by then, and the Brutes got their own ranks set up (the flashback missions happen right after Regret jumps to slipspace).

Regret no doubt sent a message to the other prophets that he was going to leave earth and then Truth sent the brutes as soon as he heard

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In Halo: Reach, the blockbuster prequel to the Halo trilogy, experience the events that transpired on the planet Reach. Created by acclaimed developer Bungie, Halo: Reach will be available in the fall of 2010 exclusively on Xbox 360. As a bonus for Halo fans, Halo 3: ODST will be the key to entry for the Halo: Reach multiplayer beta coming to Xbox LIVE.
Lame theory number 1000 debunked.

lol I posted it first

  • 06.23.2009 9:59 AM PDT