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Subject: Gamma Team. 320, 259
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There are spartans unaccounted for that I don't think anyone has brought up yet. so if this is already an idea...my bad.

So august 30, 2552 is when reach is attacked. Teams Saber, Katana, and Gladius from the spartan III gamma company are on onyx. Team Saber fights the covenant and all that in the book ghosts of onyx. So its not them or Katana cuz their in those cryo tubes with Saber. Gladius is KIA. Thats 15 of the 330. This whole onyx thing happens in october 2552.

I don't think that those 315 Spartans would sit by and watch reach get destroyed. They are also the only company of Spartans that go up to 320. So...yea....I think I made my point

However, there could be more spartan II but ive read in the books a couple times that they were not made. Also, does anybody think its a coincidence that Gamma company graduated in feb. of 2551 and they just happen to be unaccounted for during this battle.

Please tell me if I have any wrongness in my logic. No I don't think that we will play as a spartan III....well maybe...who knows

  • 06.23.2009 2:58 AM PDT

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I agree with your idea. But in the trailer they say Sierra... not Gamma Company.
Duble 1 come in! Duble 1?
The Spartan 3 are like the 2, uhm....SPI armor are not like Spartan regular armor. But they can be confused...so we need to wait the update time and hope they say something about Halo: Reach.

[Sorry for my Bad English]

  • 06.23.2009 6:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: VisualD74
I agree with your idea. But in the trailer they say Sierra... not Gamma Company.
Duble 1 come in! Duble 1?
The Spartan 3 are like the 2, uhm....SPI armor are not like Spartan regular armor. But they can be confused...so we need to wait the update time and hope they say something about Halo: Reach.

[Sorry for my Bad English]


he's not saying double he's saying noble 1

  • 06.23.2009 6:40 AM PDT

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? need to listen it again...

  • 06.23.2009 6:48 AM PDT


isnt he saying "nova 1"?

Thats what it sounded like to me.
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Posted by: VisualD74
I agree with your idea. But in the trailer they say Sierra... not Gamma Company.
Duble 1 come in! Duble 1?
The Spartan 3 are like the 2, uhm....SPI armor are not like Spartan regular armor. But they can be confused...so we need to wait the update time and hope they say something about Halo: Reach.

[Sorry for my Bad English]


he's not saying double he's saying noble 1

  • 06.23.2009 6:54 AM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Plausible but improbable theory.

  • 06.23.2009 8:13 AM PDT

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1. Spartan IIIs use their company designation in their callsign. So those Spartans would be Sierra Gamma 259 and Sierra Gamma 320. Those are not Spartan III call signs in the trailer.

2. The Spartan III program is highly covert and hidden from nearly everyone, even in ONI. Spartan IIIs were sent on missions only to the deepest part of enemy territory on suicide missions. They were designed to be cheap, expendable soldiers. It is unthinkable that Col. Ackerson would reveal their existance by sending them to Reach because doing so would uncover the truth of how so many children were sacrficed in a morally ambiguous strategy.

3. Gamma company was not deployed to Reach.

  • 06.23.2009 9:26 AM PDT

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Well in GoO it says that get their orders weeks after Reach falls. And if they were S-IIIs, they would have been Sierra-G259 and Sierra-G320.

I think we will be Team Beta Spartans

  • 06.23.2009 9:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
I think we will be Team Beta Spartans
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  • 06.23.2009 9:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Well in GoO it says that get their orders weeks after Reach falls. And if they were S-IIIs, they would have been Sierra-G259 and Sierra-G320.

I think we will be Team Beta Spartans
Wouldn't Beta team have B359 or B320 though?

  • 06.23.2009 9:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Well in GoO it says that get their orders weeks after Reach falls. And if they were S-IIIs, they would have been Sierra-G259 and Sierra-G320.

I think we will be Team Beta Spartans
Wouldn't Beta team have B359 or B320 though?
Team Beta was a Spartan-II splinter-team from Red Team , left to guard the orbigal generators on Reach (Beta Company were the S-IIIs, and they are almost all dead, I wasnt talking about them)

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No they would not refer to themselves as gamma or G157. They are the only company of Spartan III and if you read the book they are never called G157 out loud. They only do that so u can keep track in the book. Read the book. no one time will they say "this is gamma 157." The reason is because Beta and Alpha were completely wiped out.

Does the MC call himself Sierra A117? To his knowledge the is a beta company of spartans being made.

They are also the only spartan company to go to 320!!! helloooooo

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Also....

There are more than one power generator on reach and the spartan II were deployed to protect one of them. Wat about the other 19 or watever? regular marines? or Spartan III's.

No one has pointed out the fact that their home planet gets attacked (onyx) and they are no where to be found. And this of course is right after reach falls.

I don't understand how know one can at least see the logic.

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Also, Gamma Company consisted of 12-15 year-olds who were still having trouble with their cracking voices due to their catalyzed puberty progression, which contradicts the voices we heard in the teaser.

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wrong. Their voices were cracking over a year and a half b4 the battle for reach. There voices would sound normal now since they are thru with the spartan program. They graduated in feb. 2551. They are fully men and women by the time reach is attacked.

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wrong. Their voices were cracking over a year and a half b4 the battle for reach. There voices would sound normal now since they are thru with the spartan program. They graduated in feb. 2551. They are fully men and women by the time reach is attacked.

No, I'm not wrong. Rapidly-induced puberty would not transform their vocal chords into the voice of a thirty year-old man or woman, as puberty ends anywhere from fifteen to twenty-one years of age, which means the procedure would not progress their voices beyond what normal puberty results in along its end.

Their bodies, like the S-IIs, are expedited in this way to prematurely introduce their bodies to larger sizes and physiques, optimizing their strength and mobility as best they can at the time, coupled with their biological augmentations to enhance their skeletal bone structure and muscle density.

Puberty can't magically continue beyond that, and the voices we hear in the teaser are not those of fifteen to twenty year-old male or female. So, until we are introduced to the idea that their voices are forced beyond their years, which makes no sense, I'm going to go ahead and say that my analysis, regardless of a year's difference, is still accurate.

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Ok. So why do their voices never crack during ghosts of onyx? They were forced into puberty way b4 the fall of reach. They also get all these drugs to fast forward thru puberty. They are a year and half after graduating. According to you the MC voice was still cracking up until operation: Trebuchet. Wat about the fact that it CAN NOT be a spartan II or any other spartan. no one has tried to argue that. cuz im right.

  • 06.23.2009 1:45 PM PDT

It absolutely can't be Spartan IIIs. Ackerson would not have risked Halsey finding out about his project: Hell, he even had his A.I. try to kill her. Plus, their call-signs would not be 259 or 320: they would have been, for example, B259 or X320.

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Read ^^^ already said y they would not say B259. I don't think he would care about Halsey mostly because Reach (their main military world) was way more important. Wat better way to use gamma company than to defend humanity on an important world.

If i'm wrong wats your idea? where is sierra 259 and 320 from? Also where is gamma company sitting on their butts watchin onyx and reach get destroyed? (LOL i cnt believe you think that company would watch Reach get glassed and their home turn into a shield world.)

Where is Gamma company?

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Posted by: SpineGlory
Ok. So why do their voices never crack during ghosts of onyx? They were forced into puberty way b4 the fall of reach. They also get all these drugs to fast forward thru puberty. They are a year and half after graduating. According to you the MC voice was still cracking up until operation: Trebuchet. Wat about the fact that it CAN NOT be a spartan II or any other spartan. no one has tried to argue that. cuz im right.

Their voices do crack in Ghosts of Onyx! That's what you just argued with me over!

One year is not "way before", and also, don't put words in my mouth concerning Master Chief or any other Spartan. You completely missed the point, so here it is again:

Puberty differs between every individual. My point is not that some did have vocal cracks due to their puberty, but that puberty can not be EXPANDED. Rapidly-induced puberty takes a person through the puberty progression phase much faster than a normal human, but it doesn't age the person. You're claiming that the Spartans' voices were aged by this procedure, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever since growth hormones can not do that. Whether they had cracky voices or not, which some of them (likely the twelve and thirteen year-olds) assuredly did, doesn't even need to be true for the point to make sense.

They would not have the matured voices you hear in the teaser, plain and simple. So no, you are not right.

Also, how do you figure it can't be a Spartan-II? The possibility of them being Spartan-II is a huge one, and I'll gladly provide why if you like.

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Firstly, your only thinking about 259. Fine his voice is so manly that your right it does sound like a spartan II. (The commander of Section III said that there were no more Spartan IIs.) Wat about 320? totally could be a 13 year old girl. (how old are they really? are u sure they are 12 or 13 during this?)

Secondly, you said it effects everyone differently. Couldnt he just be a lil bit weird with him low voice. My lil bro is 9 and his voice is lower than the devil.

  • 06.23.2009 2:08 PM PDT

Just don't fight with that guy. He is not worth it. And I am pretty sure that Ackerson would not give a crap. He never wanted to fight, he just wanted glory. So yeah, I think that he would not let any Spartan IIIs anywhere near Reach. After all, he did not want Halsey to know about it, and he would not risk losing more valuable resources for a doomed planet.

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Unless Ackerson was there. He freaks, orders the Spartan III's into combat. They might be in this system. They aren't anywhere near onyx. Wat happens to Ackerson after reach? do we ever hear from him again?

you got to admit that there is a big hole here with 315 spartans somewhere hidden in it.

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Posted by: SpineGlory
Firstly, your only thinking about 259. Fine his voice is so manly that your right it does sound like a spartan II. (The commander of Section III said that there were no more Spartan IIs.) Wat about 320? totally could be a 13 year old girl. (how old are they really? are u sure they are 12 or 13 during this?)

Secondly, you said it effects everyone differently. Couldnt he just be a lil bit weird with him low voice. My lil bro is 9 and his voice is lower than the devil.

Outliers are possible, but even 320 sounds like a matured female. Maybe not as old, but the same thing applies. In addition, S-III was a highly classified operation, hidden from even Dr. Halsey, whom was hugely involved with ONI Section Three. If she didn't know about them, I truly doubt that the Spartan-IIIs would actively be sent out to interact with other casual military personnel, letting their existence come to light.

Ackerson was a dick.

I'm not saying they can't be Spartan-IIIs, but the evidence is stacked up against that theory. It is much more likely that they are Spartan-IIs, and in my opinion, they are original Spartan-IIs, from the same class as Master Chief and the others. If you want to read up on how their higher callsign numbers are explained, I made a pretty in-depth thread about it awhile ago, but it is very long.

Others, however, like to believe that the second class of Spartan-IIs picked up again some time between 2531 and 2552, which again, in my opinion, is incredibly unlikely given the information in the above-linked thread.

A basic summary is that we honestly don't know how many subjects Dr. Halsey and her technicians may have originally pulled into their roster prior to the genetic screening process. If a controlled, larger pool of subjects was originally chosen by some sort of criteria, then the conscription numbers assigned to the subjects would likely go beyond '150', rather than being limited to 1-150 like a lot of people seem to assume.

Bottom line here is that no one knows for sure who they are or what they are, but there is evidence to support particular theories over others.

  • 06.23.2009 2:18 PM PDT

After Reach Ackerson was on Earth... He may have even been there, but he probably fled. He was killed in between Halo 2 and Halo 3. I will admit that there is a problem with the remainder of the company.

  • 06.23.2009 2:18 PM PDT

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