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Subject: Will Reach be the Last Halo game?
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Argumentum ad populum

Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Aside from the obvious grammer problems, I think you have the right idea...? As long as the customers are eating up everthing Halo, I think Bungie will continue to feed their games to anyone who wants a taste. Halo Wars sold a lot of games. Halo Wars was a terrible game both aesthetically and just the gameplay in general. I'd take a $5 garage sale Starcraft game over Halo Wars any day. It was a sub-par game at best, the only reason it sold was because it had the Halo name attatched to it.

The moral of this rant is that any game with the Halo name on it will sell so long as the fans buy into their trash.

Except it was actually a good game. :P

[Edited on 06.24.2009 11:45 AM PDT]

  • 06.24.2009 11:44 AM PDT
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Bungie confirmed they were working on three secret projects after halo3
1) ODST
2) Reach
3)????? There was also that halo chronicles but from what i am aware that was a microsoft featuring peterjackson single

bungie may have one more ace up their sleeves
those of you who have seen the legendary ending to halo3 will know that the story is left open
and the chief is still out there drifting towards a fore runner planet

because halo chronicles is supposedly another prequel to halo3
i can only assume halo 4 would be the last halo game bungie make
and it would most likely not be released until the next xbox as a flagship title
one thing is certain!
halo3 will be the memorable online shooter for the 360
reach will be a gr8 game but it will not be halo3

[Edited on 06.24.2009 12:06 PM PDT]

  • 06.24.2009 12:05 PM PDT

Bugs in halo reach final game as of 9/2/10

in forge i am trying to make gametypes objectives but all i see is hill markers and flag points. If im trying to make a ctf game variant and i use the capture point and the flag stand and go into custom games. There is always a error saying "map not compatible with gametype" This is not just with ctf but with most other custom game and map variants.
EDIT: this was just a understanding issue that was cleared post-game release

theve bleeded halo out to much its time for them to create a new game

  • 06.24.2009 12:05 PM PDT

Being a noob since 2007.

I may well get flamed for this, but i do hope they do another game with Master Chief.
I liked his character and the dialogues with Cortana.

But Halo will be around for a while i think.

  • 06.24.2009 12:26 PM PDT

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Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar.
tenn' Ambar-metta!

Not a single game of halo has ever disappointed me.

  • 06.24.2009 12:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: napster851
Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Aside from the obvious grammer problems, I think you have the right idea...? As long as the customers are eating up everthing Halo, I think Bungie will continue to feed their games to anyone who wants a taste. Halo Wars sold a lot of games. Halo Wars was a terrible game both aesthetically and just the gameplay in general. I'd take a $5 garage sale Starcraft game over Halo Wars any day. It was a sub-par game at best, the only reason it sold was because it had the Halo name attatched to it.

The moral of this rant is that any game with the Halo name on it will sell so long as the fans buy into their trash.

Except it was actually a good game. :P
False.

The graphics were not up to standard, and the gameplay was decent. I'll agree with you that it was fun for the sake of this arguement. However it wasn't any better than most computer RTS games which you can buy for a tenth of the cost. Warcraft, starcraft, age of empire are all by far better games that Halo Wars. Point is the fans paid $60-$80 for a RTS game with less than a weeks worth of game play, even when there are better games for the PC, just because Bungie slapped the Halo logo on the title.

  • 06.24.2009 12:40 PM PDT

Being a noob since 2007.

Isn't the idea of a game to be fun? So, in being 'fun', isn't it fulfilling it's obligation as a game?

  • 06.24.2009 12:48 PM PDT

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More Halo isn't a bad thing, as long as it's done well. That is of course totally subjective, but if they can turn out quality gamed, i'd love to see the universe explored. Personally I feel that the FPS needs to be given a break however, it's getting a little to pedestrian, and there is only so much you can do to keep an FPS feeling fresh.

In response to the ideas of MP only games, they exist, Halo2 and Halo3. Both of these games suffer in their campaign due to blostering of the MP xbl component. Personally I don't think that an MP only game is too bright, you leave actual fans of the IP hanging, and don't have anything to hook newer gamers. Personally I think that something like this is better left as a pack-in, similar to what ODST is doing with the Halo3 MP. Or as an older post suggested make a game that has a seperate disk for each.

  • 06.24.2009 12:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Posted by: napster851
Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Aside from the obvious grammer problems, I think you have the right idea...? As long as the customers are eating up everthing Halo, I think Bungie will continue to feed their games to anyone who wants a taste. Halo Wars sold a lot of games. Halo Wars was a terrible game both aesthetically and just the gameplay in general. I'd take a $5 garage sale Starcraft game over Halo Wars any day. It was a sub-par game at best, the only reason it sold was because it had the Halo name attatched to it.

The moral of this rant is that any game with the Halo name on it will sell so long as the fans buy into their trash.

Except it was actually a good game. :P
False.

The graphics were not up to standard, and the gameplay was decent. I'll agree with you that it was fun for the sake of this arguement. However it wasn't any better than most computer RTS games which you can buy for a tenth of the cost. Warcraft, starcraft, age of empire are all by far better games that Halo Wars. Point is the fans paid $60-$80 for a RTS game with less than a weeks worth of game play, even when there are better games for the PC, just because Bungie slapped the Halo logo on the title.


This is solely your opinion. There are more people playing Wars than there are playing many of Halo3 MP playlists at general hours in the day. The game is a lot of fun, and the best CONSOLE RTS made to date. your remarks in regards to graphics are laughable, what RTS has fantastic single unit graphics on a console? When you have the camera zoomed out all the way, everything looks fine. Not to mention the cutscenes are stellar, and the evironments and effects are done very well. The game looks good and plays well, that's all that matters to most people.

I don't disagree with your poin that the name Halo sells, but your opinion doesn't make things factual.

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Posted by: Ridler16
Isn't the idea of a game to be fun? So, in being 'fun', isn't it fulfilling it's obligation as a game?
Not for the price tag.

Say in this totally fictional scenario Bungie creates a Halo Printer. Its just a regular printer skinned with halo themes. However Bungie charges 3 times as much as other printers which are better quality than the Halo Printer. It doesn't work as well as others and doesn't last as long as other printers. But since it prints doesn't that fulfill its obligation as a printer? No.

Halo wars should have been longer, more in depth, and should have had better graphics than competing RTS's for the price they were charging. As long as Halo slaps their name on games regardless of the quality, the games will sell. Don't get me wrong halo 3 is my favorite game I just feel Halo wars was too much marketing and showmanship and a little less quality than all the other games Bungie has created.

  • 06.24.2009 1:01 PM PDT

Bungie will never stop with Halo. Microsoft and Bungie will loose billions of $ if they do so.

  • 06.24.2009 1:02 PM PDT
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The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Posted by: iMatt360z
I don't think so.. but it will end in the near future (2012 Maybe? :))

FAIL

  • 06.24.2009 1:03 PM PDT

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Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
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Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Posted by: Ridler16
Isn't the idea of a game to be fun? So, in being 'fun', isn't it fulfilling it's obligation as a game?
Not for the price tag.

Say in this totally fictional scenario Bungie creates a Halo Printer. Its just a regular printer skinned with halo themes. However Bungie charges 3 times as much as other printers which are better quality than the Halo Printer. It doesn't work as well as others and doesn't last as long as other printers. But since it prints doesn't that fulfill its obligation as a printer? No.

Halo wars should have been longer, more in depth, and should have had better graphics than competing RTS's for the price they were charging. As long as Halo slaps their name on games regardless of the quality, the games will sell. Don't get me wrong halo 3 is my favorite game I just feel Halo wars was too much marketing and showmanship and a little less quality than all the other games Bungie has created.


That may be because Bungie didn't make Wars, Ensemble did. I will agree that it could have been longer, but it wasn't terrible to end where it did, as it is an obvious setup for a sequal. Again though, I wish to ask what your comparing this to? Wars is a console RTS, not a PC RTS, and there is a huge difference. I was a huge fan of StarCraft back when, and it was not very long either, or graphically mindblowing for that matter.

Your pricing comparison is slightly flawed as dev's don't get to say what their games cost, that's MS's job. Despite anyone's personal gripe with the games length, it was a full game, so it is understandable that they would charge full price for it, but they do milk certain properties in the merchandise department, so I cannot argue that one bit.

[Edited on 06.24.2009 1:13 PM PDT]

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
This is solely your opinion. There are more people playing Wars than there are playing many of Halo3 MP playlists at general hours in the day. The game is a lot of fun, and the best CONSOLE RTS made to date. your remarks in regards to graphics are laughable, what RTS has fantastic single unit graphics on a console? When you have the camera zoomed out all the way, everything looks fine. Not to mention the cutscenes are stellar, and the evironments and effects are done very well. The game looks good and plays well, that's all that matters to most people.

I don't disagree with your poin that the name Halo sells, but your opinion doesn't make things factual.
I agree with you. No there are not any fantastic looking RTS console games, and it does look fine as is. However, in my opinion, for the price that they were charging, the whole game should have looked closer to the cut scenes than it did. Especially with the halo name on the game, isn't Bungie famous for delaying games and releasing games slower than the competition to ensure that their games look and play perfect and that you get your moneys worth out of their games. In your opinion which should be worth more, Halo wars or Halo 3?

  • 06.24.2009 1:11 PM PDT
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I think Bungie does need to move on after reach, but still keep making unforgettable games. Halo is an amazing series, but I think 5 is enough. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE halo, I just think it's time for Bungie to make something new.

  • 06.24.2009 1:15 PM PDT

:)

I hope not.

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Argumentum ad populum

Just so we can get our facts straight. Ensemble Studios (now Robot Entertainment) made Halo Wars. Not Bungie.

  • 06.24.2009 1:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Posted by: SweetTRIX
This is solely your opinion. There are more people playing Wars than there are playing many of Halo3 MP playlists at general hours in the day. The game is a lot of fun, and the best CONSOLE RTS made to date. your remarks in regards to graphics are laughable, what RTS has fantastic single unit graphics on a console? When you have the camera zoomed out all the way, everything looks fine. Not to mention the cutscenes are stellar, and the evironments and effects are done very well. The game looks good and plays well, that's all that matters to most people.

I don't disagree with your poin that the name Halo sells, but your opinion doesn't make things factual.
I agree with you. No there are not any fantastic looking RTS console games, and it does look fine as is. However, in my opinion, for the price that they were charging, the whole game should have looked closer to the cut scenes than it did. Especially with the halo name on the game, isn't Bungie famous for delaying games and releasing games slower than the competition to ensure that their games look and play perfect and that you get your moneys worth out of their games. In your opinion which should be worth more, Halo wars or Halo 3?


Read my post above your last one, I got it up a second too late. Personally I feel both are worth about the same, Halo3 (made by Bungie) had a really short but decent campaign, and the same MP (with some changes) as it's predecessor. Halo Wars (made by Ensemble) had a short but decent campaign, and a new MP offering for consoles. I guess the real question comes down to replayability, and that is gonna depend solely on the players taste. In regards to RTS games specifically, it is hard to have hi-res units on that scale as the console hardware is far more limited than that of a PC. You gotta keep that in mind when you look at graphical quality.

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Posted by: SweetTRIX
This is solely your opinion. There are more people playing Wars than there are playing many of Halo3 MP playlists at general hours in the day. The game is a lot of fun, and the best CONSOLE RTS made to date. your remarks in regards to graphics are laughable, what RTS has fantastic single unit graphics on a console? When you have the camera zoomed out all the way, everything looks fine. Not to mention the cutscenes are stellar, and the evironments and effects are done very well. The game looks good and plays well, that's all that matters to most people.

I don't disagree with your poin that the name Halo sells, but your opinion doesn't make things factual.
I agree with you. No there are not any fantastic looking RTS console games, and it does look fine as is. However, in my opinion, for the price that they were charging, the whole game should have looked closer to the cut scenes than it did. Especially with the halo name on the game, isn't Bungie famous for delaying games and releasing games slower than the competition to ensure that their games look and play perfect and that you get your moneys worth out of their games. In your opinion which should be worth more, Halo wars or Halo 3?


Read my post above your last one, I got it up a second too late. Personally I feel both are worth about the same, Halo3 (made by Bungie) had a really short but decent campaign, and the same MP (with some changes) as it's predecessor. Halo Wars (made by Ensemble) had a short but decent campaign, and a new MP offering for consoles. I guess the real question comes down to replayability, and that is gonna depend solely on the players taste. In regards to RTS games specifically, it is hard to have hi-res units on that scale as the console hardware is far more limited than that of a PC. You gotta keep that in mind when you look at graphical quality.
Fair enough. I think it would have done better if Bungie made it but that's just an opinion, excuse my ranting.Point is, and I think we can both agree, that anything which the Halo name slapped on it will sell. I don't see Reach being the last of the series.

  • 06.24.2009 1:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Stealthy Munchk
Fair enough. I think it would have done better if Bungie made it but that's just an opinion, excuse my ranting. Point is, and I think we can both agree, that anything which the Halo name slapped on it will sell. I don't see Reach being the last of the series.


I agree for the most part, I just hope that quality is paramount for any further entires. If things go bad, or even one actually "bad" game with Halo pops up, it would damage the name.

Personally even though I am very excited for Reach, i'm looking forward to something new from Bungie.

  • 06.24.2009 1:33 PM PDT

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KING J MASTER OF EXPERIENCE

bungie would carry on for a little longer but when they do leave halo,they would be worried to leave it...would could eventualy meen them milking it
heres why:if they leave the halo series microsoft will probaly ask another company to make it.this may not sound so bad but if the game comes out realy bad just think how bungie will feel...there game that they worked on for years on end and they made it perfect has been crushed by some nooby company filled with noobs that dont no how to create games.(=P lol)
so i think theres gona be a couple more halo games-an example of this happening is crash bandicoot(lol i no) naughty dog made him so famos that he completely ruled the ps2...and then sierra carryed him on-did well,and then they started mind over mutant.and thus=a dead crash bandicoot.

so basicly what im saying is there will be a couple more games but then after a while they will either milk it or will give it up and another microsoft company will make it pathetic

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Agreed. I think as long as Bungie creates awesome games like Halo CE-3, the Halo name can sustain a couple of sub-par hits to its name and still do fine.

Reach has the potential of being pretty awesome so long as it's anything like the last 3 games they've made.

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Bungie should be the only ones to release a game with the halo name "slapped" (as Munchk put it so eloquently) on it.

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There will be two more Halo games because that would make 7 which is the magical Bungie number right? I think it makes sense.

  • 06.24.2009 2:02 PM PDT

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