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Posted by: Bullet413
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I have always wanted to use an MA5K. I'm a sucker for carbines. Also, I say we don't necissarily remove the BR, but modify it. You know, make it semi-automatic. It was in the Halo 2 E3 2003 demo and everyone has been waiting for that version to make an appearance in-game for a long time, and this maybe the time that is comes.
I'd be worried that if this happened, then the Pistol would be reverted down to some worthless weapon. In that case, I would rather just have it removed (but then you have a problem in campaign with no sidearm for allies).


I suggested Having the Ma5k for Halo 3. I really would love the gun to be in this game after playing CMT's multiplayer. You described its purpose perfectly.

On the note about having the Pistol replace the BR, I think they could fit both in without making the Pistol useless. The BR should and must be a semi-automatic gun firing one bullet at a time. The bullets would individually be weaker since it is firing them one by one.

The BR would have longer range than a pistol. Meaning it would be used as a semi-sniper rifle, or to counter snipers and keep them out of their scope. (The reason I think it would have this much range is because in Contact Harvest, Avery used it as a sniper rifle when he couldn't use a Sniper Rifle.) Now it would take a long time to kill people with since it is semi-automatic and the bullets do less damage. Maybe have half the clip kill, or have no headshot bonus to keep it balanced?

For the pistol, Bungie could just use the new AutoMag from ODST. Maybe modify it to fit the timeline. It would have a silencer and scope just like the ODST version. Now where it differs from the BR, is that it is surpressed and has no muzzle flash, making it harder to spot you when using it. It would grant headshots, but have a shorter range.

Keep in mind, the range would still be about a quarter of Blood Gulch, while the BR would have a range of half of Blood Gulch, but the BR is much weaker and takes longer to kill with. So basicly if you use the Br up close, or in Magnum range, you might as well call yourself a gonner as the Ma5k, Magnum, or AR will outdo you.
This is actually a great idea. Id be fine with it going like this, or even combining your proposed BR with the MA5K, giving it the range of half of BG if you use single shot, quarter BG if you pulse, or MA5B-range if you use it in full auto. Would take about 10 headshots to kill a fully shielded opponent (with no insta-kill headshot), while the Pistol could have range at quarter BG, headshot-capable, with a silencer and all that. Either way, Id be happy.

[Edited on 06.25.2009 7:36 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2009 7:33 AM PDT

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I think they should take out the AR. SMG functions as a much better starting weapon. If you couple it with the br in start weapons, it would give people more chances to try dual wielding.

  • 06.25.2009 7:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: inowereulive10
the AR is void, Remove the noobs

the AR no longer is needed in halo, its just makes the game crap,

the only reason that people moan so much about the melee is because everyone tries to melee with the AR all the time,

BR games types are better with no AR at all,

the AR is to powerfull and accurate at all ranged, and is a pain in the arse when noobs shoot you running in a straight line and win just because they are using an AR

even if the other player is terrible you will be on one shot because of the AR anyway so another noob will just kill you


Thats why it's an ASSAULT rifle, it's good for ASSAULTING things, where as BR is the BATTLE RIFLE, good for things such as 1 on 1 battles and defense and other things I won't mention.

It's ridiculous to hate a weapon just because it's made for different situations...

Edit: Mind you, ar does have problems like being to easy to use but just hating it is stupid as hell...

[Edited on 06.25.2009 8:05 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2009 7:58 AM PDT

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
This is actually a great idea. Id be fine with it going like this, or even combining your proposed BR with the MA5K, giving it the range of half of BG if you use single shot, quarter BG if you pulse, or MA5B-range if you use it in full auto. Would take about 10 headshots to kill a fully shielded opponent (with no insta-kill headshot), while the Pistol could have range at quarter BG, headshot-capable, with a silencer and all that. Either way, Id be happy.


See, the reason why I do want the Br to be a seperate weapon from the Ma5k is that the Ma5k is the starting weapon of the game, meaning it should have all uses. Being able to fire one bullet at a time or having full automatic. But I don't think you should ever start with a weapon that shoots across half the map. Thats when the other weapons start becoming useless.

Unless there is no autoaim at all at the longest range and you would really need to be great at the game to pull off 10 headshots at its maximum range. I would be happy with that. It would really separate the boys from the men.

But the design of the BR is so good. Its a great looking gun it would be a shame if they just scrapped it.

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I actually like the BR for its powerful headshot capabilities. And, you forget, The BR was still an experimental weapon, not available to the front lines. Chances are it wont be in Reach.


Lal read Contact Harvest...Johnson had a BR back then and Contact Harvest was... when? 5524-5525 so the BR was around WAAAAY before Reach


But Halo 2 Took place in 2552, I've never read Contact Harvewst, so what is it supposed to be in the future? because by what it looks like and what I have heard Harvest was well gone by the 5th Millenium.

  • 06.25.2009 8:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Bullet413
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This is actually a great idea. Id be fine with it going like this, or even combining your proposed BR with the MA5K, giving it the range of half of BG if you use single shot, quarter BG if you pulse, or MA5B-range if you use it in full auto. Would take about 10 headshots to kill a fully shielded opponent (with no insta-kill headshot), while the Pistol could have range at quarter BG, headshot-capable, with a silencer and all that. Either way, Id be happy.


See, the reason why I do want the Br to be a seperate weapon from the Ma5k is that the Ma5k is the starting weapon of the game, meaning it should have all uses. Being able to fire one bullet at a time or having full automatic. But I don't think you should ever start with a weapon that shoots across half the map. Thats when the other weapons start becoming useless.

Unless there is no autoaim at all at the longest range and you would really need to be great at the game to pull off 10 headshots at its maximum range. I would be happy with that. It would really separate the boys from the men.

But the design of the BR is so good. Its a great looking gun it would be a shame if they just scrapped it.
Of course, at the longer ranges, the single shots would definitely be harder to land because bungie could reduce/remove the auto aim from the bullets after they travel a certain distance. I feel that the gun should be able to shoot very far so that you always have a chance off the spawn -- just because it can physically shoot that far, though, doesn't mean that you will land the shots. You would need skill to do that, so the weapon would not be overpowered.

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Posted by: inowereulive10
the AR is void, Remove the noobs

the AR no longer is needed in halo, its just makes the game crap,

the only reason that people moan so much about the melee is because everyone tries to melee with the AR all the time,

BR games types are better with no AR at all,

the AR is to powerfull and accurate at all ranged, and is a pain in the arse when noobs shoot you running in a straight line and win just because they are using an AR

even if the other player is terrible you will be on one shot because of the AR anyway so another noob will just kill you


AR is a great weapon, it's just overused, there's no reason to remove it.

Just remember, all the Assault Rifles are differennt, you're hopefully going to be using a MA5K in this one, definately not a Halo 3 one as it was only an MA5B during Halo CE, here is absolutely no reason to remove it so no, just because you prefer to use your BR over the AR does not mean it should be removed and a BR can beat an AR in close range if used by the right person.

So no, I completely disagree with you as the Assault Rifle should stay.

  • 06.25.2009 8:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: inowereulive10
the AR is void, Remove the noobs

the AR no longer is needed in halo, its just makes the game crap,

the only reason that people moan so much about the melee is because everyone tries to melee with the AR all the time,

BR games types are better with no AR at all,

the AR is to powerfull and accurate at all ranged, and is a pain in the arse when noobs shoot you running in a straight line and win just because they are using an AR

even if the other player is terrible you will be on one shot because of the AR anyway so another noob will just kill you


AR is a great weapon, it's just overused, there's no reason to remove it.

Just remember, all the Assault Rifles are differennt, you're hopefully going to be using a MA5K in this one, definately not a Halo 3 one as it was only an MA5B during Halo CE, here is absolutely no reason to remove it so no, just because you prefer to use your BR over the AR does not mean it should be removed and a BR can beat an AR in close range if used by the right person.

So no, I completely disagree with you as the Assault Rifle should stay.
The problem with the H3 AR which makes it a "noob weapon" as so many people say isn't so much the gun, but rather the melee. In Halo 3, the only skill required to land a melee is to be close to someone (a skill?) and to press the B button. The computer does the rest.

That aside, the AR in H1 and H3 are extremely unversatile weapons, only useful at close range, so if the AR is to return, I would like to to have an overhaul to make it a close range gun which is actually useful at midrange, with a little functionality as well. This would make it a decent starting weapon for once (though I would still rather a headshot weapon).

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You say remove the BR whan you have MLG in your name

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You say remove the BR whan you have MLG in your name
You're obviously a noob here because-

1. You don't know who MLG Cheehwawa is
2. You didn't realise that his name is an inside joke

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Well, I like it/don't like it... I like the BR like how it is, and how it was..

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You say remove the BR whan you have MLG in your name
You're obviously a noob here because-

1. You don't know who MLG Cheehwawa is
2. You didn't realise that his name is an inside joke

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  • 06.25.2009 8:35 AM PDT

Every game I have ever played, burst weapons are over powered. They always tend to be universal weapons.

The best thing to do in my opinion is to just remove auto aim. Bullets go in a straight line.

Of course recoile may make that straight line not be where you want it to be.

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Posted by: inowereulive10
the AR is void, Remove the noobs

the AR no longer is needed in halo, its just makes the game crap,

the only reason that people moan so much about the melee is because everyone tries to melee with the AR all the time,

BR games types are better with no AR at all,

the AR is to powerfull and accurate at all ranged, and is a pain in the arse when noobs shoot you running in a straight line and win just because they are using an AR

even if the other player is terrible you will be on one shot because of the AR anyway so another noob will just kill you
Or... just include my version of the AR, which would take skill (especially if the melee took skill again like it did in the first Halo game).

[Edited on 06.26.2009 6:42 PM PDT]

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

know whats funny? your name has MLG in it and MLG players are obbsesed with the BR, And no, Bungie wont remove the BR just because YOU want it gone.

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa

know whats funny? your name has MLG in it and MLG players are obbsesed with the BR,
Know what's funny? Your ignorance.

And no, Bungie wont remove the BR just because YOU want it gone.Maybe they will remove it because it shouldn't be on Reach on the frontlines.

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The MA5K does look promising.

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I think if the battle rifle could function at longer distances, had no spread and took six shots to kill it would work.

  • 06.26.2009 7:04 PM PDT

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you have a good point, but I think turning it into 2 weapons will cause even more bull on the forums saying that they are not as great apart. Instead just make it weaker so everyone is happy.

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I really like this idea, I hope the Bungie considers it.

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Posted by: dogfire45
you have a good point, but I think turning it into 2 weapons will cause even more bull on the forums saying that they are not as great apart. Instead just make it weaker so everyone is happy.
I don't think many people would complain... it would be like having an AR that is worth using past melee range, and a BR which isn't insanely inaccurate at midrange.

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You say remove the BR and you have MLG in your name

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Posted by: Buzz Killingtin
You say remove the BR and you have MLG in your name
You're on a Halo forum but you obviously know nothing about Halo 1 because MLG got involved there before Halo 2. And guess what? Halo 1 had no BR.

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I am just saying MLG loves the BR and I do not now what to thick about your idea so dont get mad at me (;

  • 07.16.2009 10:23 AM PDT

NO! Not my precious BR! ...But seriously... I don't think the BR is going away any time soon. And personally, I don't want to see it go. I'm a fan of multi-purpose weaponry.

  • 07.16.2009 10:45 AM PDT