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Mr MA5B, there is a voting system on Halo CE, not to mention other great features. For some reason the standard Halo has became even more laggy lately, which is why I choose CE. Although I have to admit it's almost 50-50 with me because it's hard to find a decent amount of players on CE. Shame...and as for this "security hotfix", I've been informed that it can originate from illegal "key generators" that carry the virus - since that type of download has apparently became easy to find these days; it's a prime target. Of course it's almost impossible to root-out the the underlying cause of this.

  • 05.23.2005 5:46 AM PDT
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I'm sort of miffed that we haven't seen a map pack coming out for HPC. I realize halo CE has sort of replaced the need for this, but i find that halo ce maps lag more and tend to have shoddier graphics than HPC maps. Also, because hardly anyone plays on the same maps for HCE, it is hard to find a server with a good ping and enough people on it to create a good experience. With an autoupdate map release, everyone would have these maps and you wouldnt have to worry about only having 2 servers to choose from when you want to play on a certian map.

  • 05.23.2005 9:27 AM PDT
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I have to agree as well that Bungie/Gearbox could take more consideration into fixing other major problems with Halo PC other than this hacker fix. This whole situation disturbs me greatly. I highly doubt that this "hacker" issue has caused much grievance among true Halo PC players, in my time on this forum there have been NO issues whatsoever that regard to this type of problem, as well; in your own post Sawnose you said, quote:

Posted by: sawnose
There are no reports of this exploit being used "in the wild".

So why even bother to fix it if there is insufficient danger of this "cheat" being used.

Even I realise that possibly reworking Halo PC's netcode to eliminate or cut down on lag would be very difficult as well as make unforseen changes to the gameplay as well as possibly cause further problems. However I don't think it is too much to ask, as a dedicated Halo PC/CE community, to fix smaller, less work-intensive fixes to Halo PC, some good ideas, primarily presented by The Mard in his original thread on this subject, were to fix exploits used on certain maps, as well as changes to weapon damage and firing rate on certain weapons, the latter wouldn't be too difficult to carry out, as well, it would be extremely helpful as certain weapons (especially the fuel rod gun) are certainly not applicable for balanced internet play.

The above suggestions would be extremely appreciated if implemented and I do not think the community is asking too much for just a little more support on our favourite game.

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  • 05.23.2005 1:14 PM PDT
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Please... please work on the lag. Please. Also make it so I can filter out the hundred "HEY I JUST GOT HALO 4 PC AND I THINK ROCKET LAUNCER DEDS ARE KEWL!" people.

  • 05.23.2005 2:24 PM PDT
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So why even bother to fix it if there is insufficient danger of this "cheat" being used.


Good question, jman - I didn't specify this before. This issue was brought to our attention by someone who actively searches for exploits in online games, reports his findings to the game companies, and then publishes his exploit code on a web page shortly thereafter. I expect him to publish the exploit code tomorrow. As with the previous couple hotfixes, the very reason you haven't seen problems is that we've been able to release a patch before the exploit becomes public. I assure you that these patches are very necessary, or else it would no longer be possible to play Halo PC online. That's why I'm making sure that Halo CE gets updated this time around - the previous exploits have in fact been used against that version and crashed clients trying to browse the server list.

I understand the community's desire to see more extensive changes to Halo PC, but unlike a little security bug, which I (as a Bungie programmer and tester) can quickly track down and fix on my own without having written the original code, deep engine changes (like reducing apparent latency, or other core-game changes) need to happen while the original dev team is still heads-down on the project before, or right after, it ships. Gearbox added some great features post-ship, like the dedicated server, and then the custom map features that went into CE, but even that was over a year ago, and their team has moved on to their BiA games now. I don't think we should expect new non-hotfix changes, but maybe we'll be surprised. That said, it would take a clear-cut and significant improvement to meet the bar we have set for patches at this point. Just as the little tweaks that went into Halo CE 1.0 (aside from the big custom-map feature) weren't incorporated into the main Halo PC game because they risked introducing new bugs that break stuff that already works, without offering a compelling reason to include them.

Anyway, I hope you see that we *do* care about the game, but sometimes the right choice is sort of a tough love - we could tweak and tinker forever, but the risk of making it worse than it was, and the impact of trying to squeeze tiny improvements out of a released game rather than spending our time making big improvements to a future game, mean that it's usually the right choice to leave well enough alone.

  • 05.23.2005 3:05 PM PDT
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What filter settings do you have? I don't get any of those. This patch is just so microsoft can say they don't have any security flaws in their products. If gearbox makes fixes to the rest of halo I would be extremely happy.

Edit - Sawnose posted first. Anyway, does that hint at a Halo 2 for PC? I wonder...

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  • 05.23.2005 3:05 PM PDT
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i hope this won't be the last patch/update for halo pc. there are many other things that need to be changed, such as the autoban system. I am getting tired of the tkers getting away with tking.

  • 05.23.2005 3:59 PM PDT
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Ok I have a question, How come my Halo CE game dosent work? I keep geting a message saying that I need to run DXDIAG, It says that hardware accelraction may be disabled, I do that then it syas that hardware accelaration isnt disabled. So I run Halo CE again it gives me the same message. Could it be that my Video Card isnt supported? It is a ATI Catalyst video Card, I think this number could help, 180-G01479-100, please help me.

  • 05.23.2005 4:29 PM PDT
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I did notice one fix my Audigy 2 does not cut out anymore when EAX is enabled.

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So, why didn't Bungie or Gearbox take any action on Halo PC a year and a half ago when it WAS released? That's what disappoints me. The Gearbox team COULD have made HPC 10x more than what it is. Do you realize there are cheats out there that players use i.e. speedhacks, aimbot, wallhacks etc? I honestly don't think it's possible to play a game at a lower state. This is as worse as it gets, the halo community can't do anything about it, thus we need you guys to help us out. Having a split community (HPC and CE) is never a good thing competition wise, so making one of the two mandatory is probably a good place to start...

  • 05.23.2005 4:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr_Spock
I did notice one fix my Audigy 2 does not cut out anymore when EAX is enabled.

Was that relateing to my problem? (The only reason I ask is because this problem has been on-going for like a month now, it took me 12 hours to get this "Halo CE")

  • 05.23.2005 4:38 PM PDT
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I don't think that's the issue. the issue is that when the game 1st came out, myself include where really excited about the new online feature, new maps and the possibility of user made mods for HALO PC. And we got only some of it. I at 1st refused to play it becuase of the lag but I adjust, like many others but when I looked for mod utilities there weren't any what so ever.

Then after many patches we were given a separate download to get a game that was an inferior version of what we were just playing. We had mod utilities but the halo CE was so bug ridden it wasn't worth doing it, except by a dedicated few. Then all the sudden the responsiblity was placed on us and it was a catch 22. "Get more players and we'll update", but players like myself loathed HALO CE because of the increased issues with it didn't want to play it till it was updated.

Now you are saying

Posted by: sawnose
... deep engine changes (like reducing apparent latency, or other core-game changes) need to happen while the original dev team is still heads-down on the project before, or right after, it ships. Gearbox added some great features post-ship, like the dedicated server, and then the custom map features that went into CE, but even that was over a year ago, and their team has moved on to their BiA games now.


Meanwhile Gearbox has openly stated that they have no control over updating HALO CE. It's a direct contradiction to what your saying. I say "Ping pong anyone?"

We don't want new features, we don't want new maps, we don't want gametypes... We want what were promised.. That isn't asking too much... So ultimately who is lying sawnose bungie or gearbox? Sad thing we are the ones who lose out as loalist because we are the ones who got f-ed in the end by buying 2 versions of the same game.. I guess it's all business when it comes down to it and not the community that support Bungie and Gearbox.. I can't wait to see what kind of fiasco HALO 2 will be if it ever comes out on PC..

  • 05.23.2005 5:00 PM PDT
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Lol, you have a point, about the angry ppl and the warnings, the only servers that arnt giveing warnings are the Studieo #008 severs and they should beable to be told apart by the "Stunts Go Red or Ban" thing, lastly there should be a icon for MODed servers.
Woops forgot to add the Qoute Button...

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  • 05.23.2005 5:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Ok I have a question, How come my Halo CE game dosent work? I keep geting a message saying that I need to run DXDIAG, It says that hardware accelraction may be disabled, I do that then it syas that hardware accelaration isnt disabled. So I run Halo CE again it gives me the same message. Could it be that my Video Card isnt supported? It is a ATI Catalyst video Card, I think this number could help, 180-G01479-100, please help me.

So aperntly my question isnt worthy... Can anoyone help me thats here?

  • 05.23.2005 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Ok I have a question, How come my Halo CE game dosent work? I keep geting a message saying that I need to run DXDIAG, It says that hardware accelraction may be disabled, I do that then it syas that hardware accelaration isnt disabled. So I run Halo CE again it gives me the same message. Could it be that my Video Card isnt supported? It is a ATI Catalyst video Card, I think this number could help, 180-G01479-100, please help me.

So aperntly my question isnt worthy... Can anoyone help me thats here?

Yup... Not Worthy... some one PLEASE HELP ME!

  • 05.23.2005 5:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Ok I have a question, How come my Halo CE game dosent work? I keep geting a message saying that I need to run DXDIAG, It says that hardware accelraction may be disabled, I do that then it syas that hardware accelaration isnt disabled. So I run Halo CE again it gives me the same message. Could it be that my Video Card isnt supported? It is a ATI Catalyst video Card, I think this number could help, 180-G01479-100, please help me.

So aperntly my question isnt worthy... Can anoyone help me thats here?

Yup... Not Worthy... some one PLEASE HELP ME!

Hey If anyone Finds a way to help me or has a sugestion (or Tells me what I did wrong) Message me!

  • 05.23.2005 5:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Posted by: BlueLeader 44720
Ok I have a question, How come my Halo CE game dosent work? I keep geting a message saying that I need to run DXDIAG, It says that hardware accelraction may be disabled, I do that then it syas that hardware accelaration isnt disabled. So I run Halo CE again it gives me the same message. Could it be that my Video Card isnt supported? It is a ATI Catalyst video Card, I think this number could help, 180-G01479-100, please help me.

So aperntly my question isnt worthy... Can anoyone help me thats here?

Yup... Not Worthy... some one PLEASE HELP ME!

Hey If anyone Finds a way to help me or has a sugestion (or Tells me what I did wrong) Message me!

By Message me I meen use the Privet Message link, also try not to "complain" About my spelling

  • 05.23.2005 5:11 PM PDT
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use your edit button please

  • 05.23.2005 5:36 PM PDT
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use your edit button please
I dont need help with that...

  • 05.23.2005 5:59 PM PDT
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What kind of card is it?

  • 05.23.2005 6:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: BlueLeader 720

"Was that relateing to my problem? (The only reason I ask is because this problem has been on-going for like a month now, it took me 12 hours to get this "Halo CE")"


what the heck are you talking about? I was just mentioning something that this patch fixed.

?????????

  • 05.23.2005 6:44 PM PDT
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Heyyo,

Well, Blueleader, first you need to NOT SPAM THE FORUMS! NO BUMPING! Ti's a law of the forums. Next, you need to update your video card drivers, if that doesn't work? Next? make sure you are running the latest version of direct x. If it's still messed? I suggest trying the gearbox forums since they are focused on HaloCE.

Sawnose, so you say they can't do basic weapon tweaks? It takes 5 mins to edit weapon valuses with some of the programs we have.. weak. Well, looks like we're screwed to a game with bugged gameplay... in other words, I'm pretty much done hoping for a better haloPC. I guess I'll just get used to what we have..... I'm sure once stalker comes out, I won't be playing HPC anymore for sure now.

[Edited on 5/23/2005]

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Audigy fix: Yes! This wasn't a code change, just a couple lines added to config.txt to make the game aware of a couple new Audigy cards and set the proper defaults for them. Glad it helps!

Changes to CE: TheBans: as you mention, some of the changes in CE lack the polish needed to add them to the main PC branch. That's one of the main reasons (apart from download size) for having a separate CE version - giving Gearbox the freedom to get some new features out there for the enthusiasts, even if they still have some quirks that we don't feel comfortable putting in a mandatory patch. Gearbox is free to add features/fixes to the CE codebase, and send them to me to build into a patch (assuming I don't find any security holes in the features). Rumors to the contrary, though, I haven't been given any changes after CE 1.0. I'm not sitting on or vetoing anything at all! :-)

  • 05.23.2005 9:58 PM PDT
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Everyone is so ungrateful of this fix...

I for one, am extremely grateful. I know what the bugs can do and well, I don't want to be without halo for even a second! I applaud all of your work, and thank you for caring to ensure that this game stays playable.

  • 05.24.2005 1:30 AM PDT