Halo 1 & 2 for PC
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Subject: HaloPC 1.07 Hotfix soon
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Apparently moaning about the problems still hasn't helped to get certain issues fixed. I think there should be a "Suggestions" forum made so everyone can make proper, constructive posts for new ideas. Then they won't be lost in the wild, and there's a better chance of someone with influence to read them. Maybe.....Though like you said they've most likely stopped any proper funding for improvements to Halo PC. Let's hope for at least something with Halo 2 PC.

[Edited on 5/25/2005]

  • 05.25.2005 5:59 AM PDT
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ive had quite enough of all these people complaining about lag really. Sort your servers by ping, and pick the lowest one. Lag is entirely relative. If you went on a server with pings of 67 (which are not rare, maybe it is rare in america or wherever the hell ur from, but theres at least 30 servers around with 67 ping) then there would be next to no lag. When people in servers teleport, check their ping, and ull see that theyve got 100+ while ur on 33 or whatever...I dont know how u want bungie to improve lag, maybe, improve everyones internet connections? yeah! they can do that!! power to the forums!! bunch of jackasses...

  • 05.25.2005 6:30 AM PDT
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Well anyways, if Gearbox won't fix any other problems with Halo PC, albeit minor problems, then there's nothing anyone can do to develop and release anything more than just a small hotfix.

However, I think the least Bungie could do is to take our considerations as well as suggested improvements for possible developement of Halo 2 for the PC. As always, since the Halo series for Xbox has been so sucessful we would expect nothing less for the PC version. However I can only imagine why Gearbox would not want to improve on one of their most popular games.

I can only hope that for Halo 2, the job of porting it to PC will be handed over to a company that will not tarnish the good name of Bungie Studios as well as that of Bungie's games.

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  • 05.25.2005 7:27 AM PDT
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If we are needed to have 512KB/s internet connections just so we don't see the lag in Halo there is something wrong. There may be servers with 67 ping but I can assure you that they don't have the majority of halo players, who have pings of 100+ atleast, in them.

  • 05.25.2005 1:34 PM PDT
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I think this new patch is cool but i think halo 2 on PC would be better!!!

  • 05.25.2005 1:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr B
Spun J, have you played halo PC at all?
I can assure you, I know very much about ping and latency. And halo pc LAGS.
For a start, most FPS games are ok with a ping under 200. With halo, it has to be 150 or you start seeing issues.
But whatever your ping or connection, you will always have vehicle warp in halo. When you blow up/tip a og you usually have to wait to see where the people land, cos its not where they should be.
If 2 vechiles collide its warpy as hell.
And the rocket hog could be at least twice as accurate. Im better than most with it, only because I am very very good at guessing the lag. And before you say it, I know rockets take time to get there, but lag is definatly involved.


lol I'm sorry I dont see your point...why would you choose to go on a server with 150+ ping? at most I go on 100 servers, but thats pretty rare, theres always at least one 67 pinger up and active...and if all mine are 100+ and I'm in England...where are these servers? because it seems that people from everywhere are complaining about ping...im in uk, and I get 67 ping on uk servers, 67 ping on european servers, and about 100-133 on american servers, and thats with a 512kb connection...ud think with all the servers at 133 in my list, thered be a boom in the number of americans who ARENT complaining...

As for the vehicle warp, when their warping in the air, they dont teleport randomly in the slightest, they teleport along the arc that they would fall on if there was no lag, what I'm trying to say is, stop looking at is as teleporting, and start looking at it as falling, where u cant see them for most of the drop, if u shoot along the arc in front of them, you DO hit them, leading just as you would a grounded person. Two vehicles interacting, well, yup is pretty laggy, but i can only comment on hog-hog, ghost-ghost, hog-ghost interactions cos i dont play with tanks shees often enough...In all the collisions above, one gets flipped at head on, fine, the interaction is quite laggy, but the interaction is already occuring, how do the aesthetics of the crash on ur screen make any difference to how the server interprets it? it doesnt. Youre all being too picky. The game is pretty solid now, sure theres some laggy players, but in all fairness, you cant blame lag if you get killed lol, is ur own fault *sigh* (fair point if ur standin still, then u suddenly teleport of a cliff lol, but if ur in a duel with someone who's lagging, its just depends on how good you're able to cope with someone who moves at the same speed you do, you just cant see them moving...
its like, when someone sidesteps and they lag, you might see them in the same place for a good 6 seconds strafin on air..then the next minute there half way across the map because of porting...but, the lag just made it look to you like they teleported, they were still moving, and the server obviously registered it, but it didnt receive it or send it quick enough for ur client to process it, so you get an after image for a few seconds, whilst he's moving, then when u catch up, his image moves to where he actually is..

  • 05.25.2005 1:58 PM PDT
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the CE patch is available here:

http://www.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=1056

  • 05.25.2005 2:40 PM PDT
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Yeah, B is right, lag is an issue. Me and MarD have always been complaining about Halo's netcode. So have most people. The hogs don't follow an arc, neither do people, nothing. It's pretty poor.

The reason we sometimes experience it is because, maybe in CE, the only server with more than 4 people on New Mombasa has 150+ ping.

  • 05.25.2005 7:45 PM PDT
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Welcome to -blam!--Fest 2005.

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Everbody post your -blam!-es here. Forget the fact that Bungie is saving you from uber-h4x that merely FUBAR your computer. Please, I'll gold-leaf the invitation for you. Oh, that's right, you pobably don't need one since you're already here.
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Reality Check A. Before you flame Gearbox, remember:
#1 - Halo CE
#2 - HEK
They didn't have to make either of these. Nor did they have to release them. And not only did they release them, but Gearbox released them for free. Now, I'm not going to start a debate, but these two add-ons have been very beneficial to the Halo PC community to say the very least.

Reality Check B. We've been begging Bungie and Gearbox for updates for a very long time now. They are not coming. Gearbox has been gracious enough to give us the tools to fenagle Halo as we please. We have the tools and the power. Generally, when someone identifies a problem, they have in mind a solution. I challenge you to find a solution. And don't say flame, flood, spam, make posticaulars against Bungie or Gearbox. You have the utiliities, and by God, if you're so damned concerned about these things, then fix them yourself or join a team of modders (ex: Halo SE) and work on fixing it.

I find it painstakingly retarded that most of the people begging for patches are too lazy to download or contribute anything to Halo CE or the Halo PC modding community.

Bottom Line: (I've said this before...) We have been handed our own fate by Gearbox. We have Halo CE and HEK. If anybody is dropping the ball, it's us.

Many a modding community has turned out more successful than Halo CE - and it's because the people put more into it.

Thanks Bungie, for bothering with protecting our privacy and computers.

Talk is cheap, guys - don't tell me, show me.

  • 05.25.2005 8:48 PM PDT
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r : w )

For anyone who isn't still reading the top of the thread, I just added the following to my OP:

Update, 5-25-05 - Gearbox has signed off on the Halo CE version of the patch, which is currently being hosted at the affiliate/fan-site located here. If you come across the patch at various file mirrors and want to verify you have the right software, the authentic patch is codesigned by "Gearbox Software". We're investigating enabling this patch for auto-update; stay tuned.

  • 05.25.2005 9:46 PM PDT
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Thank you very much for that information, sawnose.

  • 05.25.2005 10:09 PM PDT
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I dont want a lag debate either...what I will say, is; Fix it yourselves, or learn to cope like the rest of us

[edit] an goddammit, dont tell us to put the effort in, Our entire ladder on ClanBase (Home to the European 5v5 champions and Halo 1v1 World Champion :P) switched to CE to try and rally the troops as it were, and our efforts were met with "*whine* I cant hit anything T_T *whine* I'm gonna go back to PC"
I'm all for the novelty of making maps etc, but I played CE pretty much solely on the fact that u cud press F3 rofl ^_^ there was less lead, people say thats "less lag" but no, is like that counterstrike one, the image is infront of the hit boxes...
And to Mr B. I can safely say that I'm happy with Halo PC. What makes the game hard to enjoy is the people playing it, and the spam clans like "[$$] BiG BoY5 ToYS OMG ROCKeTs ComeN pLay HERe!!! omgomgomg!!!" with their half assed sparkedit/HMT mods...
I mean, I've modded my halo PC a couple of times, but it becomes evident very quickly that the only things you can change are aesthetics, unless ure hosting a server...This also leads to a wireframe-esque trick, to allow u to see people comin round corners, by lengthening the barrel of their guns, totally nubby imo O_o...All i do on PC modwise is skin, and frankly, its a hell of a lot easier using photoshop and HMT than it is using a veritable cavalcade of programs from Bungie, for a game that died a thousand deaths months ago O_O

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  • 05.26.2005 1:54 AM PDT
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Omg ive Updated CE and it says i need the previous patch of Halo PC 1.06 when am on CE with 1.07 wtf is up with it there is only 1 player on Help anyone...?

  • 05.26.2005 3:33 AM PDT
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I guess the only way to make Bungie listen it so have a mass boycott of the sales of Halo 2 PC (if it even happens) but of course that's never going to happen.

I just want to mention something here regarding lag issues...there's no denying that it's bad, but over the last few months I've noticed that even when I go to a server that has a ping of about 60 it still has VERY bad lag most of the time now There's lag in every match I play...but it didn't use to be like this when pings were averaging 60. Has anyone else experienced this?

  • 05.26.2005 5:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr B
Whoa. No way.

In our hands? Why should it have to be in our hands? We cant have a decent version of the game where the bugs have been sorted?

Its attiudes like that thats going to let bungie/microsoft carry on doing the same.

You cant tell me your happy with the way halo pc is now.

We have to ignore CE, as its classed as a mod, not a patch. Not everyone uses mods, many dont even know about them.

And CE is at the moment useless for general online playing, as there simply isnt enouhg people on it.

Before you have a go at me about 'putting effort in' and all that rubbish to CE, I have done. I played CE for a while, tried to make people aware, and as I have said countless times, we are dedicating part of our (paid for) clanserver for a dedicated CE game.

Now I dont know what else you want me to do, but the fact is I shouldnt have to do anything at all. CE is a mod, and for as long as its not integrated into halo pc, its not going to replace the need for decent patches.

If you look at my past posts, you will see Im well aware we are not getting any useful patches for halo. I really want to make bungie (and hopefully microsoft) aware of our concenrs, so they dont do it again (heres hoping theres a H2 for pc).

Ive also done Mards idea, which was great, send microsoft feedback about halo.

Dont take the additude of letting them get away with releasing a buggy game, for it to be ok cos it can be covered with mods.

One last thing. Please dont make out they are all doing us a favour by releasing the security fix. Its microsoft policy to cover any known security holes. Besides of which, as someone alerted them to the hole, and they didnt fix it, how stupid would they look then?


I will thank them, asI don't suppose anyone here is resourceful enough to become aware of the issue or fix it themselves. I did not say they were doing us a favor - you clearly read between the lines something that wasn't there.

Now, say I had a problem with a game, that wasn't being fixed. I propose we solve that problem by running a server. Sounds like a perfectly fine solution, eh? No offense, Mr B, but as much as we all appreciate your server, I believe you missed my point. The point is that we might consider helping ourselves now that we've had our pleas for a patch rejected.

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the tools and the technology.

As far as being happy with PC, i honestly can't answer that question - I really haven't played PC in a couplre months... and I enjoyed it when I played, so...

My attidute is actually more productive than most of the griefers in this thread. I say we play the best we can with the hand we're dealt. I'm not advocating the blatant removal of support from present and future releases of Bungie games for PC. I simply saying that this is a moot point. Get over it, and deal with it.

And we deal with it by fixing it ourselves. You say that CE is a mod. Let me clarify - CE is a mod, but it is not a third party mod - realize there is a huge difference between the two. Gearbox released CE (maybe they recognized PC was so jacked up that they needed to start over?). I will say this again as long as I'm not banned. If you're someone is too lazy to download and install CE, I say let them wallow in their own garbage.

To say that CE 'doesn't count' or 'is useless' is exactly the attitude that has brought CE to its current state of affairs. If we compare attitudes honestly, Mr B - I'd say I'm real, but hopeful. I'd say you're real, but pessimistic.

You make a good point that the original should have been less sloppy. But you seem to have given up onn all hope for PC/CE and are focusing on H2PC. I think we're seeing eye to eye - the only difference being that I haven't given up on CE. I see potential left in the game, and I'll do something about it.

My attitude alone will not enable Bungie. This certainly doesn't apply to you Mr B, but the countless greifers who do nothing to aid the situation never cease to piss me off.

I suppose I grow weary of folks identifying problems, but never seeking resolutions.

  • 05.26.2005 6:56 AM PDT
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Sorry for the double-post, but seriously guys.

When I fire off and say, "then put some effort into the game!" I'm talking to the people who haven't already done so.

Sheesh...duh. Don't take it personally - especially if you're actually have tried to make the best of the situation yourself.

  • 05.26.2005 7:01 AM PDT
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Well atleast they havent forgotten us. True Sexy legs and Mr B, that frigin bug that is in the multiplayer, wen you get blown up, the vehicle or sparten will never follow an arc shape, like the feul rod gun. And true indeed, Halo 2 PC, can Sawnose tell us any thing about that? Obviosuly not. Just wait you impatieat a holes (lol jokes). We PC gamers shall annoy them about this Halo 2 port to PC, keep asking them, turn this well known forum to a subject about,"Halo 2 PC" join me my fellow PC GAMERS, cos what i really want to do, is whip the xbox with the natural PC skill. Join me people, when is Halo 2 coming to PC??


If you wanna know something, you have to do more than just ask.

When is it out for PC Sawnose.

[Edited on 5/26/2005]

  • 05.26.2005 10:23 AM PDT
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How are we supposed to fix the net code inspire? If I could find a way that isn't to complitcated, I will certainly try.

  • 05.26.2005 12:40 PM PDT
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I NEED HELP. I UPDATED FROM 1.06 TO 1.07 AND NOW CAN'T FIND ANY ONLINE GAMES. I CAME HERE AS THE MESSAGE SAID BUT CAN'T FIND THE SERVER URL EVEN THOUGH I CLICKED ON IT, AND WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT EVEN IF I FOUND IT. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP. IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD JUST KEEPING MY GAME UP TO DATE. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH AN AUTOUPDATER ANYWAY. HELP HELP HELP PLEASE!!!!!

  • 05.27.2005 9:15 PM PDT
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I NEED HELP. I UPDATED FROM 1.06 TO 1.07 AND NOW CAN'T FIND ANY ONLINE GAMES. I CAME HERE AS THE MESSAGE SAID BUT CAN'T FIND THE SERVER URL EVEN THOUGH I CLICKED ON IT, AND WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT EVEN IF I FOUND IT. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP. IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD JUST KEEPING MY GAME UP TO DATE. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH AN AUTOUPDATER ANYWAY. HELP HELP HELP PLEASE!!!!!

  • 05.27.2005 9:16 PM PDT
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Heyyo,

*sighs* the reason we seem soo 'pessimistic' is we're fed up with having to deal with problems that a lot of them are easy to fix! I mean, lowering the damage n' rate of fire onna fuel rod takes seconds!

Ugh, the lame part aboot the netcode is it favors the rl and the fuel rod gun.. which's what the majority of the players use now, if not only.... HaloPC has changed since release, and for the worse I say... people favoring easy kill, lack of skill weapons...

I'm starting to feel Halo2PC will suffer from the lack of support Halo1PC... weak.

  • 05.28.2005 1:05 AM PDT