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Subject: Halo 3 ODST : Breaking Microsoft's Achievement Policy?

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it isnt breaking any policies, because when you put in the second disc, you will show up as playing Halo 3

  • 06.25.2009 9:35 AM PDT

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i dont think microsoft really cares about what happens with achievments when it comes to their best selling game for 2 years running

AND

1 disc is ODST which is just ODST

the other disk is what we already have and counts as the game we already have (halo3)

[Edited on 06.25.2009 9:40 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2009 9:39 AM PDT
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First off. Who cares?

Now to answer what I think you are talking about.

Halo ODST is one disc, the games case however holds a copy of Halo 3 without the campaign. So even if the rules that you posted were still the ones they used it would still be ok because they are seperate games.

Think of Halo ODST as like a package deal, you buy one game you get 3/4s of the other one free.

  • 06.25.2009 10:05 AM PDT

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MIcrosoft hasn't complained yet, so I doubt there's a problem.

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  • 06.25.2009 10:10 AM PDT

Posted by: TheRealGuy77777
It is more then 1000, so you've just wasted precious time of your life that you will never get back.

I like this answer

  • 06.25.2009 10:13 AM PDT
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Bungie stated that ODST will enable the ability to unlock as much as 1750 in additional gamerscore.

Buying ODST also buys all previous map packs. Three of which add up to 250 GS.

1000 GS for ODST
+250 GS for Legendary Map Pack
+250 GS for Mythic Map Pack (part 1)
+250 GS for Mythic Map Pack (part 2)
---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
1750 GS for ODST + all map packs

As for the OP's point concerning the 2nd disc enabling the ability to unlock 'mongoose mowdown' being possible. I wonder, does Bungie looks on the players xbox for a record of a H3 save game or something along these lines before such an achievement is able to be unlocked? About the violation of MS's GS policy... Unless there is a attorney in the room who understands such aspects of the law, I don't think we are equipped to make such a judgment.

[Edited on 06.25.2009 10:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2009 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: bigturns00
Bungie stated that ODST will enable the ability to unlock as much as 1750 in additional gamerscore.

Buying ODST also buys all previous map packs. Three of which add up to 250 GS.

1000 GS for ODST
+250 GS for Legendary Map Pack
+250 GS for Mythic Map Pack (part 1)
+250 GS for Mythic Map Pack (part 2)
---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
1750 GS for ODST + all map packs

As for the OP's point concerning the 2nd disc enabling the ability to unlock 'mongoose mowdown' is possible. Though I wonder if Bungie looks on the players xbox for a record of a H3 save game or something along these lines before such an achievement is able to be unlocked? About the violation of MS's GS policy... Unless there is a attorney in the room who understands such aspects of the law, I don't think we are equipped to make such a judgment.


Read my first post. The second disc counts as Halo 3.

  • 06.25.2009 10:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: Darth Kooky
Read my first post. The second disc counts as Halo 3.

Says who? Who says the 2nd disk counts as Halo 3?

The second disc does not include the H3 campaign. Rather, the 2nd disc includes the three map packs (which adds, as I mentioned earlier, +750 GS for those who have yet to purchase such) as well as H3 Multi-player.

  • 06.25.2009 10:23 AM PDT

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Ok, here we go. Technically the ODST gamerscore only goes to 1000. The gamerscore you can earn playing matchmaking on the second disc goes on your Halo 3 gamerscore, which can bring that total to 1750. Not sure where all of you are getting your numbers from. Seems fairly simple to me.

Also, i would imagine any MM achievements are available through that second disc, not just limited to the DLC achievements. That would, of course, mean you could earn a lot of gamerscore for buying one game. That is not against MS policy seeing as the gamerscore from the second disc counts towards Halo 3. Simple, right?

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  • 06.25.2009 10:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: bigturns00
Posted by: Darth Kooky
Read my first post. The second disc counts as Halo 3.

Says who? Who says the 2nd disk counts as Halo 3?

The second disc does not include the H3 campaign. Rather, the 2nd disc includes the three map packs (which adds, as I mentioned earlier, +750 GS for those who have yet to purchase such) as well as H3 Multi-player.


First off, DISC not disk (you use that spelling for Floppy disks. Otherwise it's disc)!

Second, disc # 2 is Halo 3's multiplayer. If you read weekly updates you would know that. All multiplayer achievements in Halo 3 can be achieved through that disc. That means if you unlock, for instance, "Extermination" on that disc, you just got an achievement for Halo 3. It isn't it's own game. It's just Halo 3 with the campaign levels replaced with all the DLC.

  • 06.25.2009 10:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darth Kooky
Second, disc # 2 is Halo 3's multiplayer. If you read weekly updates you would know that. All multiplayer achievements in Halo 3 can be achieved through that disc. That means if you unlock, for instance, "Extermination" on that disc, you just got an achievement for Halo 3. It isn't it's own game. It's just Halo 3 with the campaign levels replaced with all the DLC.


Yes! Why are some of you having so much trouble understanding that the second disc is not ODST, it's still Halo 3. Just a way of those who dont have all the maps to get them.

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  • 06.25.2009 10:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Darth Kooky
Posted by: bigturns00
Posted by: Darth Kooky
Read my first post. The second disc counts as Halo 3.

Says who? Who says the 2nd disk counts as Halo 3?

The second disc does not include the H3 campaign. Rather, the 2nd disc includes the three map packs (which adds, as I mentioned earlier, +750 GS for those who have yet to purchase such) as well as H3 Multi-player.


First off, DISC not disk (you use that spelling for Floppy disks. Otherwise it's disc)!

Second, disc # 2 is Halo 3's multiplayer. If you read weekly updates you would know that. All multiplayer achievements in Halo 3 can be achieved through that disc. That means if you unlock, for instance, "Extermination" on that disc, you just got an achievement for Halo 3. It isn't it's own game. It's just Halo 3 with the campaign levels replaced with all the DLC.

It turns out Disk is defined as: something with a round shape resembling a flat circular plate and Disc is defined as: phonograph record: sound recording consisting of a disk with a continuous groove.

Both spellings, it would seem, work in this case.

The 2nd dis(c/k) is not Halo 3. The Halo 3 disk offers both Campaign and Multiplayer. The 2nd disc offers only Multiplayer, the premium map packs and Forge.

If you owned a set of wheels from a Porsche 911, would you then infer you owned a Porsche 911?

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  • 06.25.2009 11:21 AM PDT
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Halo 3 has 1750G because for each dlc a game has, you can add another 250G.
Let's do some math, shall we?
Heroic, Legendary, Mythic... thats 3.
3 x 250 = 750.
1000 + 750 = 1750!!!

  • 06.25.2009 11:26 AM PDT

Those rules you posted are way outdated. I'll find the new ones...
Link

A maximum of 1750 points and 80 Achievements for a full retail title. The Orange Box's 99 achievements seem to be grandfathered in, although it's an open question if they'll be allowed to add more achievements should a Team Fortress 2 update come to Xbox 360.

A quarterly maximum of 250 points and 10 Achievements for any additional DLC associated with that title. Additionally, these totals are cumulative, so a company could wait three quarters to do a large expansion with 30 achievements and 350 points, or parcel them out in smaller additions. X360A says its source explained the rule is meant "to stop companies from releasing a whole slew of content immediately after a game's release to hit its 1750 max right away."


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  • 06.25.2009 11:30 AM PDT

Posted by: bigturns00
Posted by: Darth Kooky
Posted by: bigturns00
Posted by: Darth Kooky
Read my first post. The second disc counts as Halo 3.

Says who? Who says the 2nd disk counts as Halo 3?

The second disc does not include the H3 campaign. Rather, the 2nd disc includes the three map packs (which adds, as I mentioned earlier, +750 GS for those who have yet to purchase such) as well as H3 Multi-player.


First off, DISC not disk (you use that spelling for Floppy disks. Otherwise it's disc)!

Second, disc # 2 is Halo 3's multiplayer. If you read weekly updates you would know that. All multiplayer achievements in Halo 3 can be achieved through that disc. That means if you unlock, for instance, "Extermination" on that disc, you just got an achievement for Halo 3. It isn't it's own game. It's just Halo 3 with the campaign levels replaced with all the DLC.

It turns out Disk is defined as: something with a round shape resembling a flat circular plate and Disc is defined as: phonograph record: sound recording consisting of a disk with a continuous groove.

Both spellings, it would seem, work in this case.

The 2nd dis(c/k) is not Halo 3. The Halo 3 disk offers both Campaign and Multiplayer. The 2nd disc offers only Multiplayer, the premium map packs and Forge.

If you owned a set of wheels from a Porsche 911, would you then infer you owned a Porsche 911?
It isn't Halo 3 but it counts as Halo 3. The difference is that only the multiplayer content is there, so only the multiplayer achievements are attainable.

  • 06.25.2009 11:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: bigturns00
The 2nd dis(c/k) is not Halo 3. The Halo 3 disk offers both Campaign and Multiplayer. The 2nd disc offers only Multiplayer, the premium map packs and Forge.

If you owned a set of wheels from a Porsche 911, would you then infer you owned a Porsche 911?


No one is disputing that the second disc is only Halo 3 multiplayer. the fact of the matter is that those achievements will go on your Halo 3 gamerscore and not your ODST score.

EDIT: Wow, I didn't even see the guys post above me.

[Edited on 06.25.2009 11:52 AM PDT]

  • 06.25.2009 11:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Zombie Governor
750GS (All of the DLC related achievements in halo 3)
+1000GS (Halo 3 ODST)
=
1750 GS
+300 GS (or so, rounded the value of multiplayer achievements in halo 3 (w/o dlc))
=
2150 GS

You can get around 2150GS just by purchasing Halo 3 ODST, a 60$ game.

Is that against Achievement Policy? Yeah, it is.
Disc 2 reads as Halo 3 not ODST, so the ones you have in Halo 3 will still be unlocked in disc 2 since its the same thing

  • 06.25.2009 12:09 PM PDT
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Are we 100% certain that those who have yet to purchase Halo 3, will be able to unlock Halo 3 MM achievements while playing H3 Matchmaking via the ODST supplemental disc?

I'm with y'all. This bit about the 2nd Disc being a Halo 3 disc and therefor voids some policy as a result is a waste of thread. I'm an engineer not a attorney. I'm not able to say, either way, if what the OP states is true. Nor could, I would guess, anyone else on this thread make such a determination definitively.

Again, just because a portion of what comes with Halo 3 will exist on the supplemental disc, I don't think such constitutes, and I am guessing here, anything which would represent the original release of the Halo 3 disc.

  • 06.25.2009 12:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xx Krevil Xx
Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but with Halo 3 you can get up to 1750G..


this is true too for ODST, look at the project page. ODST ships with 1750 GS

750 that is shared in multiplayer with Halo 3(you can't unlock them twice)
and 1000 for ODST

  • 06.25.2009 12:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: bigturns00
Are we 100% certain that those who have yet to purchase Halo 3, will be able to unlock Halo 3 MM achievements while playing H3 Matchmaking via the ODST supplemental disc?

I'm with y'all. This bit about the 2nd Disc being a Halo 3 disc and therefor voids some policy as a result is a waste of thread. I'm an engineer not a attorney. I'm not able to say, either way, if what the OP states is true. Nor could, I would guess, anyone else on this thread make such a determination definitively.

Again, just because a portion of what comes with Halo 3 will exist on the supplemental disc, I don't think such constitutes, and I am guessing here, anything which would represent the original release of the Halo 3 disc.


100% certain you can. look at the project page.

  • 06.25.2009 12:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xx Krevil Xx
Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but with Halo 3 you can get up to 1750G..


this is true too for ODST, look at the project page. ODST ships with 1750 GS

750 that is shared in multiplayer with Halo 3(you can't unlock them twice)
and 1000 for ODST


It is not true for ODST. By saying you can get 1750 GS, they are saying you can get 1000 for ODST and 750 with all the DLC on the second disc, which will go towards Halo 3 GS. (But only if you dont already have the DLC specific achievements. You cannot unlock them twice) The description is wriiten for those that don't have all the DLC maps. that's why it says you can earn 1750. The description has to cover the widest possibility to be good marketing. Saying 1750 GS sounds awesome compared to 1250 GS, to some people.

[Edited on 06.25.2009 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 06.25.2009 12:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Zombie Governor
750GS (All of the DLC related achievements in halo 3)
+1000GS (Halo 3 ODST)
=
1750 GS
+300 GS (or so, rounded the value of multiplayer achievements in halo 3 (w/o dlc))
=
2150 GS

You can get around 2150GS just by purchasing Halo 3 ODST, a 60$ game.

Is that against Achievement Policy? Yeah, it is.

Actually your math is a bit wrong.
ODST has 1750 gamerscore available. Just for ODST.
This makes:
1750 ODST
750 Halo 3 add on content
130 Halo 3 default multiplayer
=
2630 overall gamerscore for ODST alone.

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  • 06.25.2009 12:21 PM PDT

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The 2nd disc, for the purposes of Xbox Live and achievements, is considered Halo 3. You're wrong, they're right.

Posted by: bigturns00
The 2nd dis(c/k) is not Halo 3. The Halo 3 disk offers both Campaign and Multiplayer. The 2nd disc offers only Multiplayer, the premium map packs and Forge.

  • 06.25.2009 12:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
The 2nd disc, for the purposes of Xbox Live and achievements, is considered Halo 3. You're wrong, they're right.

Posted by: bigturns00
The 2nd dis(c/k) is not Halo 3. The Halo 3 disk offers both Campaign and Multiplayer. The 2nd disc offers only Multiplayer, the premium map packs and Forge.


Thanks for clarification. Maybe now others will believe you since they don't believe me and the other people who have been saying that the entire thread. (even though I think the guy you quoted gets it now)

  • 06.25.2009 12:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
Posted by: Xx Krevil Xx
Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but with Halo 3 you can get up to 1750G..


this is true too for ODST, look at the project page. ODST ships with 1750 GS

750 that is shared in multiplayer with Halo 3(you can't unlock them twice)
and 1000 for ODST


It is not true for ODST. By saying you can get 1750 GS, they are saying you can get 1000 for ODST and 750 with all the DLC on the second disc, which will go towards Halo 3 GS. (But only if you dont already have the DLC specific achievements. You cannot unlock them twice) The description is wriiten for those that don't have all the DLC maps. that's why it says you can earn 1750. The description has to cover the widest possibility to be good marketing. Saying 1750 GS sounds awesome compared to 1250 GS, to some people.

sorry if i was unclear, but this is exactly what i was saying

  • 06.25.2009 12:33 PM PDT

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