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Subject: Dare is a failed spartan officer, *theory with possible evidence.* : )

Actually, I'm pretty sure Joe Staten has already confirmed she isn't a Spartan.

This might help.

  • 06.27.2009 9:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: l Mythic l
Actually, I'm pretty sure Joe Staten has already confirmed she isn't a Spartan.

This might help.

good try but that doesn't disprove my theory : )
he says that ODST's aren't Spartans. not that dare isn't one : )
she is not an ODST, she is an ONI officer ^___^

[Edited on 06.27.2009 9:32 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 9:31 AM PDT

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Nah, I don't think that's the case. Most of the failed Spartans were horribly disabled. Dare seems to be perfectly healthy.

I know that the failed Spartans went to work for ONI, but Dare would have to be in some pretty bad shape if she was a Spartan who couldn't handle the augmentation.

  • 06.27.2009 9:34 AM PDT

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it's fiction on one hand and new parts can be scripted it : ) i know they wont but im looking at this with an open mind and if you think about it they could say she was a secret spartan project or anything (i am not saying i believe this to be true) lol.

the reason i looked into this is simply because they made dare different from the others by giving her recon. i know that there is a reason for it and her being a spartan was the best thing i could come up with.
i doubt that they would give her it as a way of us recognising her because there are other more simple ways of doing so. as well as this she is mentioned in an earlier post to be in a scene from a novel where ODST's do not reconise her armor.
so this isn't a new part made to fit into the game. IMO.

if you have any better suggestions as to why she has recon i would love to hear them. with evidence of course : D

  • 06.27.2009 9:41 AM PDT

Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
Posted by: l Mythic l
Actually, I'm pretty sure Joe Staten has already confirmed she isn't a Spartan.

This might help.

good try but that doesn't disprove my theory : )
he says that ODST's aren't Spartans. not that dare isn't one : )
she is not an ODST, she is an ONI officer ^___^
"It is noted that an Admiral aboard the UNSC Say My Name referred to her as an "S1 type".
Originally, S1 was thought to possibly refer to SPARTAN-I, a program that predated the Human-Covenant War, but she was confirmed by Joseph Staten not to be a Spartan." This link will explain what Section 1 is, how most members are just field operatives who gather information. On this link it will explain the Spartan II program, and give a list of the Spartan II's conscripted in 2517. I'm sure it will explain somewhere in there how most subjects either died during the augmentation process or became permanently disabled, keyword there being disabled. Now, if Dare was a failed Spartan Officer that means she probably didn't make it through the augmentation process, so (A) she's dead (B) she has some sort of physical disability, much like Fhajad who was sent to work for ONI. Also, and I might be wrong on this, I thought only 3 Spartans even made it to and Officer rank? Those being Kurt, Master Chief, and Fred. I might be wrong with that though.

  • 06.27.2009 9:46 AM PDT
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I very much doubt it.

  • 06.27.2009 9:46 AM PDT

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The ones who went to work with ONI were crippled, so no.

  • 06.27.2009 9:47 AM PDT

"The Recon armor was developed parallel to the Scout Armor in the B5D Ordnance Testing Facility in Swanbourne, Perth, Western Australia. The main purpose of the Recon Armor was to create armor with stealth capabilities and with little or no loss of endurance, specifically by reducing its IR signature, reflective surfaces, and Cherenkov radiation emission." If I had an operative running around trying to gather information I'd want them to be as unnoticeable as possible correct? Linky for evidence.

  • 06.27.2009 9:49 AM PDT
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its good except that she is still able to fight, and therefore would have received MJOLNIR (i think, not sure)

btw, thanks for providing actual reasoning instead of other threads where people blindly make up stuff

  • 06.27.2009 9:52 AM PDT
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Argumentum ad populum

Nvm, someone already explained it.

[Edited on 06.27.2009 9:54 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 9:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: l Mythic l
Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
Posted by: l Mythic l
Actually, I'm pretty sure Joe Staten has already confirmed she isn't a Spartan.

This might help.

good try but that doesn't disprove my theory : )
he says that ODST's aren't Spartans. not that dare isn't one : )
she is not an ODST, she is an ONI officer ^___^
"It is noted that an Admiral aboard the UNSC Say My Name referred to her as an "S1 type".
Originally, S1 was thought to possibly refer to SPARTAN-I, a program that predated the Human-Covenant War, but she was confirmed by Joseph Staten not to be a Spartan." This link will explain what Section 1 is, how most members are just field operatives who gather information. On this link it will explain the Spartan II program, and give a list of the Spartan II's conscripted in 2517. I'm sure it will explain somewhere in there how most subjects either died during the augmentation process or became permanently disabled, keyword there being disabled. Now, if Dare was a failed Spartan Officer that means she probably didn't make it through the augmentation process, so (A) she's dead (B) she has some sort of physical disability, much like Fhajad who was sent to work for ONI. Also, and I might be wrong on this, I thought only 3 Spartans even made it to and Officer rank? Those being Kurt, Master Chief, and Fred. I might be wrong with that though.


if you're saying Staten confirmed her not to be a spartan in the URL of you're first post he did not. i can't argue with any of you're other evidence however but as i have said this is fiction and they could tweak the storyline without ruining it for fans of the novels. : )

[Edited on 06.27.2009 9:54 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 9:54 AM PDT

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nice therory, both you and that AJ blog.
Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI

also i assumed that recon was a spartan helmet as it is far too big for Dare and have only seen spartans wear it, as well as the fact that ODST's don't recognize it : )
thanks again.

actually, it seems like it is spartan only.
maybe it got modified or something.

  • 06.27.2009 9:55 AM PDT

if you're saying Staten confirmed her not to be a spartan in the URL of you're first post he did not. i can't argue with any of you're other evidence however but as i have said this is fiction and they could tweak the storyline without ruining it for fans of the novels. : ) I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to change around the canon just for one character though.

  • 06.27.2009 9:56 AM PDT

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they would not need to change anything, they could simply say that there was a secret project? anything really. the point i am trying to make is a lot of people take this very seriously and disregard the fact that fiction can be tweaked to surprise an audience without changing the original storyline. : ) if there was a secret spartan project then it would not need to play a part in the novel and would be irrelevant until dare became a lead character ^__^
Posted by: l Mythic l
if you're saying Staten confirmed her not to be a spartan in the URL of you're first post he did not. i can't argue with any of you're other evidence however but as i have said this is fiction and they could tweak the storyline without ruining it for fans of the novels. : ) I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to change around the canon just for one character though.


[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:02 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: dirtyShisno 213
No, completely wrong. If you failed augmentation, but didn't die, you were SEVERELY messed up. And I mean REALLY bad. For example, one Spartan's bones were so twisted they had to live a neutral buoyancy gel chamber. They got jobs creating missions on computers and stuff, not fighting.

Your theory is completely impossible.


That's pretty much what I said. This man is correct!

  • 06.27.2009 10:07 AM PDT

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it is not impossible simply highly unlikely. do you guys beleive halo is a real story and will become an actual historic event? and to fail she didnt need to fail augmentation. she could have failed any part of the training.
for the i don't know how many th time fiction can be tweaked. and still not be ruined. : )
Posted by: dirtyShisno 213
No, completely wrong. If you failed augmentation, but didn't die, you were SEVERELY messed up. And I mean REALLY bad. For example, one Spartan's bones were so twisted they had to live a neutral buoyancy gel chamber. They got jobs creating missions on computers and stuff, not fighting.

Your theory is completely impossible.


[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:10 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:07 AM PDT

So, and this is all hypothetical of course, you're saying Bungie needs to add a secret Spartan Project into the Halo universe? To where if these hypothetical "secret Spartans" failed any augmentation (which you must remember, is critical to the process of becoming a Spartan) both their physical/mental health would still be intact enough to become an ONI field agent?

k lol /sarcasm

  • 06.27.2009 10:10 AM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

ok so i take it you're again a child. and failed to read what i have written so im going to type this on you're terms k?. i said, that they [emphasis]-->could [/emphasis] tweak the story because it is [emphasis] Fiction[/emphasis] therefor claims that this is impossible can not be 100% fact until September. i would also like to point out that she did not need to fail augmentation to fail spartan training there could be multiple criteria she did not pass and so went to ONI.
nice [/sarcasm] too bro very creative lulz

also to edit this, around 30 people before you have made the same point and i understand that she did not fail augmentation. i would like to keep the point open that it is still possible she could be a failed spartan. as well as the fact that i stated i was unsure, this is a ---> theory, and that i havent read the novels so crapping on it isn't much of an achievement.

[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:20 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
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Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: cruton3663
Posted by: CoolCJ24
Haven't you just posted this theory a second time?
Reporting...


Don't you need to "not" report this?
Reporting...

no, for really, you 2 need to stop arguing

*the theory could be proved wrong,maybe
* and CoolCj24 could stop being a suck up to forum rules (that he made up)


You clearly don't know the rules. Posting a topic twice = spam.

You can't "move" a topic, you double-posted it. And helping out isn't being a suck-up. That's why the button's there.

If you want to move a topic, PM a mod, they'll actually move it. And the fact remains that the theory had already been disproved very clearly.

posting a topic twice IN THE SAME FORUM= spam, also multiple off topic posts in a topic are spam hence you are spaming.

as for moving a topic, you are an idiot if you really think you PM a Mod to do it. no, you post in the other topic: THIS HAS BEEN MOVED, and then YOU move the topic yourself.

and even if his point has been disproved(it hasn't FYI it has been discouraged) the discussion can continue. you are sucking up, as you're reporting is hypocritical, as you are reporting, and 'feeding the issue' by essentially bumping a post. if you report the rules say DON'T POST IN THE TOPIC

it's you who are breaking the rules, and should read them again.

i would also like to point out that if dare turns out to be an ex/ failed spartan what a twist in the story that would be and how much better the storyline would be seeing as so many people are positive it can't be true
it would definitely be a huge one up on my part ^___^

thanks to other constructive contributors so far.


I've seen the rules, and know them better than you. Now you're the one making something big out of something small. Please, shut up. The theory was proved wrong in the Reach forum, but he posted it here again to try and convince us it's true, which it so obviously isn't.

EDIT: MLG Cheewahwah knows way more about Halo lore than any of us, and he's guessing no for the reasons said before, so yeah.

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[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:24 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:22 AM PDT

Posted by: dirtyShisno 213
No, they wouldn't tweak the storyline. Bungie takes story very seriously, just adding something then making some half-assed excuse isn't what they do.
What he said. Also, not quite a child.

  • 06.27.2009 10:23 AM PDT

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firstly who mentioned half assed?
secondly shes in the novel and thirdly bungie dont write the novels an ex member of bungie does (or so i have read.) also i would like to point out to those who have not read that in the novel ODST's do not recognise her armor so she allready has recon there, who is to say they cant of allready written the story of how she obtained it?
i will continue to argue this point until it has been proven she is not a spartan. failed or otherwise : )

[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:26 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:24 AM PDT
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If she is a failed Spartan Officer, then she wouldn't be as short as she is. She'd have all the augmentation of a Spartan. Apparently, she doesn't, so I don't think this theory is correct.

  • 06.27.2009 10:28 AM PDT