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Subject: Dare is a failed spartan officer, *theory with possible evidence.* : )

That Foman guy freaking hates me.


Posted by: cruton3663
Posted by: CoolCJ24
Haven't you just posted this theory a second time?
Reporting...[/quote]

Don't you need to "not" report this?
Reporting...

no, for really, you 2 need to stop arguing

*the theory could be proved wrong,maybe
* and CoolCj24 could stop being a suck up to forum rules (that he made up)[/quote]

You clearly don't know the rules. Posting a topic twice = spam.

You can't "move" a topic, you double-posted it. And helping out isn't being a suck-up. That's why the button's there.

If you want to move a topic, PM a mod, they'll actually move it. And the fact remains that the theory had already been disproved very clearly. [/quote]
posting a topic twice IN THE SAME FORUM= spam, also multiple off topic posts in a topic are spam hence you are spaming.

as for moving a topic, you are an idiot if you really think you PM a Mod to do it. no, you post in the other topic: THIS HAS BEEN MOVED, and then YOU move the topic yourself.

and even if his point has been disproved(it hasn't FYI it has been discouraged) the discussion can continue. you are sucking up, as you're reporting is hypocritical, as you are reporting, and 'feeding the issue' by essentially bumping a post. if you report the rules say DON'T POST IN THE TOPIC

it's you who are breaking the rules, and should read them again.[/quote]
i would also like to point out that if dare turns out to be an ex/ failed spartan what a twist in the story that would be and how much better the storyline would be seeing as so many people are positive it can't be true
it would definitely be a huge one up on my part ^___^

thanks to other constructive contributors so far.


I've seen the rules, and know them better than you. Now you're the one making something big out of something small. Please, shut up. The theory was proved wrong in the Reach forum, but he posted it here again to try and convince us it's true, which it so obviously isn't.

EDIT: MLG Cheewahwah knows way more about Halo lore than any of us, and he's guessing no for the reasons said before, so yeah.

[/discussion]

i cant believe you went away and came back after asking someone else about this oh my gosh. i already said that i know that this is probably wrong but im going to continue here because i want other opinions than people repeating what has been said.

also your spamming your posting the same statement over and over and making a fool of yourself. i moved it from the reach forum because it was the inapropriate place for it to be and i clearly stated i was moving it, then you followed it here and carried on your idiot spree.

if you're not going to be constructive then dont post i won a long time ago now.

  • 06.27.2009 10:34 AM PDT

Which book is she mentioned in? I've read the books, and although it's been awhile I don't recall her being in any of them.

  • 06.27.2009 10:35 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI

Posted by: cruton3663
Posted by: CoolCJ24
Haven't you just posted this theory a second time?
Reporting...[/quote]

Don't you need to "not" report this?
Reporting...

no, for really, you 2 need to stop arguing

*the theory could be proved wrong,maybe
* and CoolCj24 could stop being a suck up to forum rules (that he made up)[/quote]

You clearly don't know the rules. Posting a topic twice = spam.

You can't "move" a topic, you double-posted it. And helping out isn't being a suck-up. That's why the button's there.

If you want to move a topic, PM a mod, they'll actually move it. And the fact remains that the theory had already been disproved very clearly. [/quote]
posting a topic twice IN THE SAME FORUM= spam, also multiple off topic posts in a topic are spam hence you are spaming.

as for moving a topic, you are an idiot if you really think you PM a Mod to do it. no, you post in the other topic: THIS HAS BEEN MOVED, and then YOU move the topic yourself.

and even if his point has been disproved(it hasn't FYI it has been discouraged) the discussion can continue. you are sucking up, as you're reporting is hypocritical, as you are reporting, and 'feeding the issue' by essentially bumping a post. if you report the rules say DON'T POST IN THE TOPIC

it's you who are breaking the rules, and should read them again.[/quote]
i would also like to point out that if dare turns out to be an ex/ failed spartan what a twist in the story that would be and how much better the storyline would be seeing as so many people are positive it can't be true
it would definitely be a huge one up on my part ^___^

thanks to other constructive contributors so far.


I've seen the rules, and know them better than you. Now you're the one making something big out of something small. Please, shut up. The theory was proved wrong in the Reach forum, but he posted it here again to try and convince us it's true, which it so obviously isn't.

EDIT: MLG Cheewahwah knows way more about Halo lore than any of us, and he's guessing no for the reasons said before, so yeah.

[/discussion]

i cant believe you went away and came back after asking someone else about this oh my gosh. i already said that i know that this is probably wrong but im going to continue here because i want other opinions than people repeating what has been said.

also your spamming your posting the same statement over and over and making a fool of yourself. i moved it from the reach forum because it was the inapropriate place for it to be and i clearly stated i was moving it, then you followed it here and carried on your idiot spree.

if you're not going to be constructive then dont post i won a long time ago now.

Well what do you want us to discuss???? Your theory's dead and disproved. If you want, we can discuss Dare, which would be a decent discussion. But discussing a disproved theory won't go far.

P.S. You didn't "win" anything.

[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:37 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

The ones that failed were crippled and unsuitable for combat, their jobs had to do with tactics and intelligence.

In other words, no.

  • 06.27.2009 10:37 AM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

read the OP i cant believe you didn't even read there before posting.
also cool j or whatever your name is to be fair you said my thread died about six hours ago, and i won when you were put straight on the rules and went away only to come back a few hours later and say the exact same thing once again,i almost feel bad for you. on top of this i have acknowledged the fact it is impossible for her to have failed augmentation, you're now trying prove your overall mental strength by saying i didn't read the books (which i said in the OP)
this is laughable.
there is more than one way to fail spartan training and if you read earlier posts i said clearly that: i think there is a reason dare has recon i don't think she would just have it to help us distinguish her. and a few people discussed that for a while until we came back to this point yet again.
: )

[Edited on 06.27.2009 10:46 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:37 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
read the OP i cant believe you didn't even read there before posting.
also cool j or whatever your name is to be fair you said my thread died about six hours ago, on top of this i have acknowledged the fact it is impossible for her to have failed augmentation, you're now trying prove your overall mental strength by saying i didn't read the books (which i said in the OP)
this is laughable.
there is more than one way to fail spartan training and if you read earlier posts i said clearly that: i think there is a reason dare has recon i don't think she would just have it to help us distinguish her. and a few people discussed that for a while until we came back to this point yet again.
: )


"Laughable" isn't a word. "Humourous" is.

Anyway, trust me, Spartans are tall and naturally very muscular even BEFORE augmentation, so therefore Dare should be tall (only tall children were picked to be Spartans) and as muscular as the ODST's easily. She is neither. Sorry, it's over.

  • 06.27.2009 10:46 AM PDT

Wait, I'm confused now. You're saying Dare is a Spartan because she has Recon?

  • 06.27.2009 10:47 AM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
read the OP i cant believe you didn't even read there before posting.
also cool j or whatever your name is to be fair you said my thread died about six hours ago, on top of this i have acknowledged the fact it is impossible for her to have failed augmentation, you're now trying prove your overall mental strength by saying i didn't read the books (which i said in the OP)
this is laughable.
there is more than one way to fail spartan training and if you read earlier posts i said clearly that: i think there is a reason dare has recon i don't think she would just have it to help us distinguish her. and a few people discussed that for a while until we came back to this point yet again.
: )


"Laughable" isn't a word. "Humourous" is.

Anyway, trust me, Spartans are tall and naturally very muscular even BEFORE augmentation, so therefore Dare should be tall (only tall children were picked to be Spartans) and as muscular as the ODST's easily. She is neither. Sorry, it's over.


i cant believe you're arrogance. go take a look at the female spartan on the reach poster. tall? nope. ,masculine? nope.
you just proved nothing. like the post you added earlier stating that Dare is not in good physical shape when you couldn't possibly know anything about her as you haven't played though ODST and no information on her is readily available at this time.. and yet you're still clutching at straws to try and get the upper hand. im not trying to say anything about augmentation nor have i been for a long time. i just have the curtsy to reply to other people comments to acknowledge i have read them. which is why this part of the subject has re-emerged.


and i didn't say she is a spartan because she has recon. i said that is why i looked into this and i think that there is a reason she has it other than us being able to distinguish her easily.
i asked people to discuss that and steadily we came back to the subject of augmentation.


[Edited on 06.27.2009 11:02 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 10:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: b00m_headshot
They didn't tell us what it was it could have been anything. Frankie gets scared easy incase you didn't know.

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Except for the fact that those sent to work for ONI couldn't function in a battlefield environment. Everyone that 'failed out' of the program had crippling injuries. None of the survivors that 'failed out' had the ability to be deployed in combat.

  • 06.27.2009 11:04 AM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

proof?
Posted by: Almstask8r515
Except for the fact that those sent to work for ONI couldn't function in a battlefield environment. Everyone that 'failed out' of the program had crippling injuries. None of the survivors that 'failed out' had the ability to be deployed in combat.

  • 06.27.2009 11:05 AM PDT

Alright then. And on the whole female Spartan on the Reach poster thing, you are aware that Spartans are gigantic right? Sam was around 7'6 without his armor on, Master Chief and most of the other males are all around the 6'8-7' range, so even if she is shorter that's not saying much. She could easily be 6'3-6'5 in her armor, which would make her about 6'1 out of it; which, in my opinion is quite large for a female.

Next, I'll point out that the ODST helmets were modified to fit onto the MJOLNIR armor as seen in H3 multiplayer. Did it cross your mind that it is possible that a helmet made for a Spartan could possibly be modified to fit a normal person?

  • 06.27.2009 11:06 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
Posted by: CoolCJ24
Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
read the OP i cant believe you didn't even read there before posting.
also cool j or whatever your name is to be fair you said my thread died about six hours ago, on top of this i have acknowledged the fact it is impossible for her to have failed augmentation, you're now trying prove your overall mental strength by saying i didn't read the books (which i said in the OP)
this is laughable.
there is more than one way to fail spartan training and if you read earlier posts i said clearly that: i think there is a reason dare has recon i don't think she would just have it to help us distinguish her. and a few people discussed that for a while until we came back to this point yet again.
: )


"Laughable" isn't a word. "Humourous" is.

Anyway, trust me, Spartans are tall and naturally very muscular even BEFORE augmentation, so therefore Dare should be tall (only tall children were picked to be Spartans) and as muscular as the ODST's easily. She is neither. Sorry, it's over.


i cant believe you're arrogance. go take a look at the female spartan on the reach poster. tall? nope. ,masculine? nope.
you just proved nothing. like the post you added earlier stating that Dare is not in good physical shape when you couldn't possibly know anything about her as you haven't played though ODST and no information on her is readily available at this time.. and yet you're still clutching at straws to try and get the upper hand. im not trying to say anything about augmentation nor have i been for a long time. i just have the curtsy to reply to other people comments to acknowledge i have read them. which is why this part of the subject has re-emerged.


and i didn't say she is a spartan because she has recon. i said that is why i looked into this and i think that there is a reason she has it other than us being able to distinguish her easily.
i asked people to discuss that and steadily we came back to the subject of augmentation.


What are you talking about? You don't even know the female figure on the Reach poster is a Spartan. I'm not clutching at straws. Please, please stop dragging the theory on and change the topic.

  • 06.27.2009 11:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
proof?
Posted by: Almstask8r515
Except for the fact that those sent to work for ONI couldn't function in a battlefield environment. Everyone that 'failed out' of the program had crippling injuries. None of the survivors that 'failed out' had the ability to be deployed in combat.

Take a glance through the Halo novels. Fall of Reach is proof enough.

He is correct.

[Edited on 06.27.2009 11:17 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 11:16 AM PDT
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Stop making theories on freakin video games.

  • 06.27.2009 11:21 AM PDT

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well this is a most interesting and realistic theory IMO...
but, i don`t agree with her failing the augmentations perhaphs she was deemed unfit for the augmentations and was sent to ONI instead thus explaining why there was no physical or mental issues with her

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Posted by: UnsayableTech
well this is a most interesting and realistic theory IMO...
but, i don`t agree with her failing the augmentations perhaphs she was deemed unfit for the augmentations and was sent to ONI instead thus explaining why there was no physical or mental issues with her

If that were the case, she would not be a Spartan had she not undergone augmentation.

[Edited on 06.27.2009 11:23 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 11:23 AM PDT

Posted by: UnsayableTech
well this is a most interesting and realistic theory IMO...
but, i don`t agree with her failing the augmentations perhaphs she was deemed unfit for the augmentations and was sent to ONI instead thus explaining why there was no physical or mental issues with her

You don't happen to be the same person as the OP eh? So far, you're probably the only person who has this opinion besides him.

  • 06.27.2009 11:24 AM PDT

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1. Recon was in this game just so make people get excited
2. it could just be a refit for dare
3. if she was a spartan maybe shes gray team?

  • 06.27.2009 11:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: UnsayableTech
well this is a most interesting and realistic theory IMO...
but, i don`t agree with her failing the augmentations perhaphs she was deemed unfit for the augmentations and was sent to ONI instead thus explaining why there was no physical or mental issues with her

You don't happen to be the same person as the OP eh? So far, you're probably the only person who has this opinion besides him.


hey im just saying i agree and if im the only person so be it but i think its a good theory

  • 06.27.2009 11:30 AM PDT

Posted by: ApocalypeX
3. if she was a spartan maybe shes gray team?

I've already considered Gray Team. It only had 3 members: Adriana, Jai, and Mike. And I'm pretty sure they're off in space somewhere.

  • 06.27.2009 11:34 AM PDT

If she was in the Spartan program and failed the augmentation process, she would not be a capable of moving around without assistance as many (including myself have said).
Now lets take a look at your theory. You say that she could have been kicked out of the program because of mental or physical faults? Then Dr. Halsey wouldn't have enlisted her into the program in the first place.
I'm fighting idiocy with logic here. As many have said, Bungie would have to destroy their own cannon to make her a Spartan. Shut up, your theory is proven wrong. Go cry in a corner if you want to.
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  • 06.27.2009 11:40 AM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

ok well i went away for a while and im back so here are some replies to you're posts thus far.
Enjoy-
firstly as i have said if you did not read the OP you're oppinion does not matter.
secondly, as i have mentioned quite a bit now i would like the augmentation posts to be over with now we have all heard mine is a busted idea.
thirdly, to the guy who posted that recon is there just for us to be excited you are wrong dare is mentioned in one of the novels to have armor the ODST's do not recognise. therefor proving two of my points, point one it is NOT an ODST helmet as some people like to believe and that it is not there simply to get more excitment.
aside from people saying this is dead as a topic it is not you can not prove you're argument as much as i can prove mine and we're all going o have to wait for the game, if you read my original post you would get a lot more insight before trying to rip my thread apart with logic i have already deemed to be correct.
childish repetative logic does not constitute inteligent responses.
and there are quite a few people who have said they agree with where this thread is coming from so dont BS yourselves, take the time to read other posts first.
i pretty much give up on this thread cause there is no inteligent reasoning to most of your responses and i find it frankly a bore.

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[Edited on 06.27.2009 1:25 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 1:21 PM PDT

I'm still curious as to which novel she was mentioned in. I think you might just be going off the blog you got your info off of, in which case, it has a conversation typed out between two of the ODSTs. This video contains the conversation you are assuming comes from one of the novels. Also, half of the marines in the UNSC have never even seen a Spartan as said in the canon. So if Recon was developed for a Spartan, and then adapted to be worn by a regular person, then they never would have seen it before. And to back up why an ONI ground agent would need Recon: "The Recon armor was developed parallel to the Scout Armor in the B5D Ordnance Testing Facility in Swanbourne, Perth, Western Australia. The main purpose of the Recon Armor was to create armor with stealth capabilities and with little or no loss of endurance, specifically by reducing its IR signature, reflective surfaces, and Cherenkov radiation emission." If you have an agent or operative on the ground looking for data/information, you are going to want said agent as stealthy as possible, which is probably why Dare has Recon.

  • 06.27.2009 1:32 PM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

i got that information from an extensive halo 3: ODST post promoted by bungie shortly after the first trailer.
if you listened at any point to what i've said to you you would go back to page one and read my post. then you sould have seen the link and read the post made there.
also you're posts are repetative it seems, ive read everything you have said twice.


[Edited on 06.27.2009 1:36 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 1:35 PM PDT

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Ok I've read you OP and I find your grabbing at straws here and even have some misinformation. First off, Dare isn't mentioned in any novels. They discuss her armor in the opening cut scene. Second, you assume she is a Spartan because she has Recon. Who's to say that the Recon armor is used by ONI agents who, by the way, are known to be fairly sneaky. I can use your same logic to come up with reasons she is not a failed Spartan.

And also, as others have said, the Spartans who didn't come through the operation being able to perform in the field, were sent to work within ONI because even though their bodies weren't sound, their minds were. It's a valid point to disprove your theory because we have no evidence of any Spartans washing out of the project for any other reasons other than being crippled or dying from the augmentations.

It's not a bad theory, i just find I can use the same logic you use to "prove" she's a failed Spartan to prove she's not. Usually, that's a fairly good way to poke holes in a theory or at least give my own good reasons as to why I disagree.

Discussion is fun, you shouldn't shoot down people because they don't agree.

EDIT: I know why you think it was mentioned in a novel. It was first mentioned in an issue of Game Informer. That was typed so I can see the confusion a little.

[Edited on 06.27.2009 1:37 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2009 1:35 PM PDT