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Subject: Dare is a failed spartan officer, *theory with possible evidence.* : )

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Posted by: dirtyShisno 213
I like how you ignore my post, because you know that I disproved your theory. Now you're just trolling.

Posted by: Hammer 220
Hi Duardo!!

Thanks for banning me a couple weeks ago and lowering my status, even though I was only having a discussion. I appreciate it!!
If Duardo banned you, it was for a good reason. Duardo's the most fair moderator here. Besides, member status isn't everything.


Please stay on topic and don't resort to attempting to argue with someone who wasn't even addressing you.

Posted by: lonzz
Good try, but I think it is definitely wrong. All the SPARTAN II's not in combat are totally owned physically.

Also, only 2 combat SPARTAN II's are officers (Kurt and Fred IIRC) and 1 non-combat (Fhajad)


I almost fully agree with your post Ionzz. Yes, all the Spartan-II's that were mutilated because of the horrid side effects of their augmentation were reassigned elsewhere, except for Cassandra (Halo 2: Conversations from Around the Universe).
Cassandra was never fully proven to be a Spartan, but the little information that we have strongly suggests that she was and a lot of the community as a whole believes this to be the case. In her conversation with MC, she seems to be a Spartan-II that was severely injured, either through the augmentation process (most probable) or through combat. Either way, she's been in extensive rehab to try and get back to combat ready status.

There's also Maria (Halo Graphic Novel) who was what appeared to be a retired Spartan-II assisting NavSpecWep with the testing of MJOLNIR MRK VI before it was sent to John on Cairo Station.

As for the officer status, Yes, Kurt was the first active Spartan that we know of to be commissioned to an officer rank. He then, under pressuring circumstances, promoted Fred to Lieutenant, the second active Spartan we see to take a commissioned rank, in order to take command as he sacrificed himself to seal the portal inside Onyx.

As for the inactive Spartan-II's, Fhajad is the only one we know of to hold a commissioned officer ranking. There may be more, but that is unconfirmed.

[Edited on 06.29.2009 12:09 AM PDT]

  • 06.28.2009 11:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nitemare 43
Seriously guys? Come on, Spartan-I again. While respecting your belief's I have to completely disagree. There are no Spartan-I's in the Halo games. You have to realize that the Spartan-I's were engineered way back during or before the time of the Mark-I armor suits were made. Don't try and say they were placed in a cryo tube or any of that nonsense so that they could be called to battle at later dates. She is an ONI officer(it's been confirmed). If she was a washout then like stated above she wouldn't have been sent into battle.

Let's all honestly be realistic here. For some odd reason a lot of people here on the forum just can't accept the truth. Everyone acts like Bungie has secrets laced around every corner of the Halo goodness. People said that Sgt. Johnson was a Spartan-I when he wasn't. He is/was a very capable marine that used his training to his best capabilities. He was simply one hell of a marine. People believe what they WANT to believe. Just like the time-travel junkies; you want it to be true so you try and back it up with ridiculous facts. That or you want to create theory off of your honest belief and hope that it is true so then you can say, " I told you so." You want to be correct? Dare is a normal human, working for ONI.

No flaming or insults intended.



On the contrary Nitemare 43, She may very well be a Spartan-I.

While I agree with you fully that she's obviously working for ONI, both theories may be possible.

In the prequel to the first ODST trailer, we caught a glimpse of an encrypted conversation Dare was having with an Admiral as the First Battle of Earth was unfolding. He specifically states "Didn't think you S1 types ever left your cave" to which she replies "Desperate times...."

This conversation alone hints at her either being a Spartan-I or ONI Section One. Either theory has yet to be confirmed or disproved. We lack enough evidence either way.

Spartan-I's were definitely around during The First Battle of Earth. If you need proof, I suggest you head on over to ilovebees.com and get a look at the alternate reality game set up to lead into Halo 2. These were never engineered by Bungie, but rather endorsed after the ARG had been released. They were good and alive, even though a good deal of them had retired to a civilian lifestyle (sort of).

And on another note, it has never been clearly stated that Sgt. Avery Johnson was a Spartan-I, but there is a great deal of evidence to support it. If you'd like to look any of that up, you may do so by reading the first few chapters of Halo: Contact Harvest, or if you're up to the challenge, take a look at the Halo Graphic Novel, pg. 122, at the ONI conversation regarding Dr. Halsey's inquiries into Johnson's records during the events of Halo: First Strike. They specifically mention Johnson being a "One".

I'd also like to state that although halo.wikipedia.org mentions Johnson's friend Byrne as also being a Spartan-I, there is little to no proof to credit that statement.

Hope this helps you out.

[Edited on 06.29.2009 12:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.29.2009 12:02 AM PDT
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she might be one of the Spartans that received most of the training but washed out of the program and was used by the oni.

  • 06.29.2009 12:11 AM PDT

Dare ending up being a Spartan-I is really, really, REALLY unlikely. Spartan-I project is active from 2491-2506, which is also known as the ORION Project. Sgt. Johnson is a Spartan-I, he is also 80 years old. The thing is Johnson actually looks 80 years old, Dare on the other hand, does not. S1 stands for ONI's Section One, which if you scroll to the bottom of THIS links known personnel list you will see a "Captain Veronica" or Dare as she is also know as. If the UNSC's enrollment is the same as today's military, then you would have to be 18 to join. This means that Dare would have to be between 64 and 79 years old, which if you watch the trailer you can clearly see she is younger than this.

  • 06.29.2009 12:22 AM PDT
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Why hello there.

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Posted by: CoolCJ24
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Posted by: CoolCJ24
Haven't you just posted this theory a second time?
Reporting...

i posted it in the reach forum by accident.
"im reporting you to bungie be-cuz mabeez they gives me recon 4 B their pet"

and to the other posts about her not being able to be a failed spartan, as the paragraph states "the rest who could still opperate were sent for jobs in the ONI."
i didnt realise that this was written incorrectly when i posted this and fully understand it is wrong now
thanks for the feedback.

also i assumed that recon was a spartan helmet as it is far too big for Dare and have only seen spartans wear it, as well as the fact that ODST's don't recognize it : )
thanks again.


Well, you certainly proved yourself there. Craving for attention...I reported the post because it seemed you had posted it twice. The discussion is already over and proven wrong a billion times and you posted again.

Dare isn't a failed Spartan.
1. No physical enhancements at all.
2. Not even "very athletic" like other Spartans would be without enhancement.
3. Non-combat Spartans were sent to ONI. Hint: NON COMBAT.

Don't try and call yourself in the right.

seven posts does not ammount to a billion. im pretty sure you're a minor.
i didnt try to make out i was in the right i explained my reasons for getting this idea.
secondly my response to your reporting this thread was simply to show that the first time i posted this it was in the incorrect forum and so i moved it. i am not seeking attention unlike you who actually posts when he reports threads, does everyone need to know that you are reporting?
childish.
you're report was pointless as i have not broken any rules or waverd from the code of conduct.
i wont bother giving another response to any further remark you make here, you're ego is huge enough : )
to the fact of being proven wrong, i'd like to add my theory was proven wrong by someone far before you posted, i stated i had not read the novels and was unsure which makes proving me wrong not much of an achivement and that you cant be sure on anything about dare because
A. you have not played through halo 3:ODST
B.no information is readily available about her.
which surely means you cant say she is not in good physical shape and has no enhancements ;)
thanks to all intelligent members who posted. : )


Win

  • 06.29.2009 12:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

"Originally, S1 was thought to possibly refer to SPARTAN-I, a program that predated the Human-Covenant War, but she was confirmed by Joseph Staten not to be a Spartan."

  • 06.29.2009 2:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tucker 051
"Originally, S1 was thought to possibly refer to SPARTAN-I, a program that predated the Human-Covenant War, but she was confirmed by Joseph Staten not to be a Spartan."


Hmm, that's a good find.

Could you reference which article you got that quote out of?

If that's true, S1 has to mean ONI Section One. I don't see any other theory matching.

  • 06.29.2009 3:48 AM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

well acording to halo-wikia avery johnosn was a spartan 1.
so saying they do not exist within the halo games is untrue.
also staten did not say she was not a spartan many people have refered me to the article in which he was supposed to of and he does not say she is not a spartan.
: )

[Edited on 06.29.2009 2:30 PM PDT]

  • 06.29.2009 2:28 PM PDT

Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
well acording to halo-wikia avery johnosn was a spartan 1.
so saying they do not exist within the halo games is untrue.
also staten did not say she was not a spartan many people have refered me to the article in which he was supposed to of and he does not say she is not a spartan.
: )


You're right, Staten never actually came out and said "Dare is not a Spartan."

He did say this however-
"I can't tell you what S1 really means, but I can tell you it has nothing to do with Spartans."

Sounds like a confirmation to me, eh?

(Link to said quote.)

  • 06.29.2009 2:49 PM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

Posted by: l Mythic l
Posted by: ITUNDRABOYI
well acording to halo-wikia avery johnosn was a spartan 1.
so saying they do not exist within the halo games is untrue.
also staten did not say she was not a spartan many people have refered me to the article in which he was supposed to of and he does not say she is not a spartan.
: )


You're right, Staten never actually came out and said "Dare is not a Spartan."

He did say this however-
"I can't tell you what S1 really means, but I can tell you it has nothing to do with Spartans."

Sounds like a confirmation to me, eh?

(Link to said quote.)


cry. : )

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your extremely wrong. if she was failed spartan officer, she would have been seriously injured/deformed during the augmentation process. Hence your theory is wrong... Geezz why don't kids bother to read the books?

  • 06.29.2009 2:54 PM PDT

Posted by: Litez
your extremely wrong. if she was failed spartan officer, she would have been seriously injured/deformed during the augmentation process. Hence your theory is wrong... Geezz why don't kids bother to read the books?


He's already been made aware of this lol.

  • 06.29.2009 2:56 PM PDT

That Foman guy freaking hates me.

Posted by: Litez
your extremely wrong. if she was failed spartan officer, she would have been seriously injured/deformed during the augmentation process. Hence your theory is wrong... Geezz why don't kids bother to read the books?

yes, this has been said. im just replying to everyone who continues to post so is not to seem like i abandoned or am rude. : )

[Edited on 06.29.2009 3:00 PM PDT]

  • 06.29.2009 2:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: dirtyShisno 213
Posted by: Hammer 220
Posted by: dirtyShisno 213
I like how you ignore my post, because you know that I disproved your theory. Now you're just trolling.

Posted by: Hammer 220
Hi Duardo!!

Thanks for banning me a couple weeks ago and lowering my status, even though I was only having a discussion. I appreciate it!!
If Duardo banned you, it was for a good reason. Duardo's the most fair moderator here. Besides, member status isn't everything.


Please stay on topic and don't resort to attempting to argue with someone who wasn't even addressing you.
I wasn't trying to argue.


Good. Thank you.



As for the article on Joseph Staten saying Dare is not a Spartan-1, I have to concede that is very well good enough confirmation for me. If the director of the game say's she is not a Spartan-1 from the ORION Project, than she is NOT a Spartan 1.

Which leads me to believe the only other conclusion (as most of you have pointed out as well) that she is working with the ONI Section One. While I believed that both theories were very well possible and that the two were not mutually exclusive from one another, the S1 Spartan theory being disproved by Joseph Staten leaves only the Section One theory standing. Thank you for whoever referenced that article, I had not come across that one.

[Edited on 06.29.2009 10:33 PM PDT]

  • 06.29.2009 10:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: b00m_headshot
They didn't tell us what it was it could have been anything. Frankie gets scared easy incase you didn't know.

-BH-

Been here 6 years, been blacklisted 6 times, that's why I'm not Mythic.

Jesus. I've already disproved the theory. Stop posting in here because it can't be discussed anymore.

  • 06.29.2009 10:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Timtaztix
yeah this reminds me of the time i got sent to jail for stealing crocs from target becozs i wanted all of the colors because i only got the green wons for my birthday and i wanted more ;)

okay, so people hhave proven you wrong because she would be in a wheel chair.
hmmmmmmmmm............. time for a new theory,
maybe she is a discraced spartan, kicked out for disobeying an officer, or cracked under the pressure. so many possibilities.

i still think she was some kind of spartan.......

  • 06.29.2009 10:56 PM PDT

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Dare can't be a failed Spartan, she would either be mentally unfit for combat service or so physically broken she doesn't look human anymore. Its understandable that you do not have the books, so you are forgiven.
06.27.2009 5:33 AM PDT



Really!? You havent read the books I have every book just because you failed the project that doesnt mean you turned out messed up. Maybe she is a Spartan and this is her job.
There are ONI Spartans.

  • 06.29.2009 11:10 PM PDT

Posted by: BloodyBrawler787
There are ONI Spartans.


I'm assuming you mean the one's that didn't become combat worthy due to them not making it through the Spartan II augmentations right? The one's that were damaged physically/mentally?

  • 06.29.2009 11:14 PM PDT

Posted by: CoolCJ24
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Posted by: CoolCJ24
Haven't you just posted this theory a second time?
Reporting...


Don't you need to "not" report this?
Reporting...

no, for really, you 2 need to stop arguing

*the theory could be proved wrong,maybe
* and CoolCj24 could stop being a suck up to forum rules (that he made up)


You clearly don't know the rules. Posting a topic twice = spam.

You can't "move" a topic, you double-posted it. And helping out isn't being a suck-up. That's why the button's there.

If you want to move a topic, PM a mod, they'll actually move it. And the fact remains that the theory had already been disproved very clearly.



You can be banned for posting in the wrong forum and it is strongly incouraged to move it to the correct forum.

  • 06.29.2009 11:28 PM PDT
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Iam enjoying Halo Reach and revisiting some past Bungie games, iam a big fan of Bungie and their online community.

It is entirley possible and it would be very intresting if she was.

  • 06.29.2009 11:46 PM PDT

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Dare can't be a failed Spartan, she would either be mentally unfit for combat service or so physically broken she doesn't look human anymore. Its understandable that you do not have the books, so you are forgiven.
06.27.2009 5:33 AM PDT



Really!? You havent read the books I have every book just because you failed the project that doesnt mean you turned out messed up. Maybe she is a Spartan and this is her job.
There are ONI Spartans.


I believed this as well. That she was possibly a Spartan-I working for ONI seemed most probable to me given the S1 quote from the teaser convo before the first ODST trailer.

However, replies in this thread have already disproved that theory that she is a Spartan. Please, if someone could, post a link up to the Joseph Staten interview.

And a word of reminder for the community - please don't source everything you find from Halopedia.org. While that site is a great resource, a good number of the articles are missing research or misinterpreting content.

Hope this helps.

[Edited on 06.30.2009 12:18 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2009 12:18 AM PDT

All failed SPARTAN Project participants were launched into space.

  • 06.30.2009 12:40 AM PDT

Link to the Joe Staten interview.

"OXM: You're sure they're not Spartans? The Superintendent posted some sort of communication that seemed to suggest that the ODSTs are S1 types. Aren't those Spartans?

JS: They're just normal ODSTs. That have nothing to do with the Spartan program. I can't tell you what S1 really mean, but I can tell you that is has nothing to do with Spartans."

  • 06.30.2009 10:15 AM PDT
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When they said the failed Spartans worked for ONI they're talking about ones that cant move and are now horribly disfigured. Dare is fit for combat which tells me she's not a failed Spartan II.

  • 06.30.2009 10:26 AM PDT