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Posted by: Jeffers
Wow, this thread has really taken off. Thanks for your input everyone.

Firstly, I notice that many people are complaining about Halo canon, and claiming it might stop Brutes' implementation. Can I just say that canon is not particularly important for multiplayer. I don't remember an event in any part of the Halo story where sixteen Spartans and Elites of various colours had an all out brawl, with each one miraculously coming back to life five seconds after being killed. This happens every match in multiplayer.

Sure, you can't really change the setting or the basic rules of the universe. You can't suddenly set it in ancient Egypt and make Elites mummies or something. But you can tweak things. As I recall, Elite shields are weaker than Spartan shields in the fiction because Spartan shields were based on Jackal gauntlets, rather than Elite's own shield technology. I don't see this reflected in the multiplayer, do you? Spartans and Elites have the same shields.

See what I mean? This is a good example of tweaking small elements of a model that doesn't completely change the characters, but merely adapts and balances them for multiplayer. In the same fashion, we can let Brutes dual wield and have Spartan strength shields, or whatever we need them to do.

It has also caught my attention that a lot of people have an issue with the size of Brutes, and scaling them to Spartan size with Spartan hitboxes. I don't think this will be a problem. Brutes are a similar proportion to humans anyway (they're practically apes), and if you look at their size when compared with Master Chief in screenshots or while playing campaign you see there isn't really much difference.

There were a few issues that would have barred Elites from Halo 2 multiplayer if Bungie had tried to use Halo CE Elite models. They were considerably taller than Spartans for one thing. However Bungie adapted the model, and they now fit into multiplayer pretty well, even if some people attach a certain stigma to them.
These are all excellent reasons why it could be added, but why should it be added ? None of you thus far have brought up a good reason why they should be added to multiplayer. Customization you say ? No, it would be pointless. If you think logically every single halo game bungie has expanded customization. It simply won't be necessary with all the new options being added. Please, anyone give me multiple (valid) reasons why they should be added.

  • 06.27.2009 6:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 90210
I ask you this question, if halo 3 was basically the same as halo 2 why would it need a multiplayer beta ? Anyways i don't think it's necessary. It would turn into another whine fest because people think x player model is harder to hit than y, and so on and so forth. Halo should stay SPARTANs and elites.



Halo 2 didn't have equipment, so it's not totally the same. Also, Halo 3 is on a different system, so it probably got people ready for the (somewhat) new controls.

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I ask you this question, if halo 3 was basically the same as halo 2 why would it need a multiplayer beta ? Anyways i don't think it's necessary. It would turn into another whine fest because people think x player model is harder to hit than y, and so on and so forth. Halo should stay SPARTANs and elites.



Halo 2 didn't have equipment, so it's not totally the same. Also, Halo 3 is on a different system, so it probably got people ready for the (somewhat) new controls.
I said basically. It's still the same core gameplay. Sometimes, as was the case with call of duty, developers just make a beta to increase hype for their game. There probably isn't a major reason for a Reach beta, unless bungie decides to do something ridiculously awesome.

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Posted by: Spartan 90210
These are all excellent reasons why it could be added, but why should it be added ? None of you thus far have brought up a good reason why they should be added to multiplayer. Customization you say ? No, it would be pointless. If you think logically every single halo game bungie has expanded customization. It simply won't be necessary with all the new options being added. Please, anyone give me multiple (valid) reasons why they should be added.
You want a reason? Because people want more choice. Look at the number of threads asking for Recon this site gets. People love customising their multiplayer appearance. People work harder to unlock achievements for armour where they wouldn't normally bother. Everyone wants to be unique, and while nothing short of realising features to allow people to design their own avatars will allow total individuality, adding more options brings us closer to it.

All you have posted is your own opinion. You think it would be pointless. Here is a group of over 400 people who disagree with you. Furthermore, the poll in this thread proves that most people would like them, even if they wouldn't use Brutes themselves. What better reason is there for Bungie to do something than the fans requesting it?

  • 06.27.2009 6:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 90210
These are all excellent reasons why it could be added, but why should it be added ? None of you thus far have brought up a good reason why they should be added to multiplayer. Customization you say ? No, it would be pointless. If you think logically every single halo game bungie has expanded customization. It simply won't be necessary with all the new options being added. Please, anyone give me multiple (valid) reasons why they should be added.
You want a reason? Because people want more choice. Look at the number of threads asking for Recon this site gets. People love customising their multiplayer appearance. People work harder to unlock achievements for armour where they wouldn't normally bother. Everyone wants to be unique, and while nothing short of realising features to allow people to design their own avatars will allow total individuality, adding more options brings us closer to it.

All you have posted is your own opinion. You think it would be pointless. Here is a group of over 400 people who disagree with you. Furthermore, the poll in this thread proves that most people would like them, even if they wouldn't use Brutes themselves. What better reason is there for Bungie to do something than the fans requesting it?
People post for recon simply because they can't have it. It's a psychological effect. They don't ask for recon simply because of customization. If people want it, but they wouldn't use it themselves how is that helping the cause ? Why would they even want it then ? They wouldn't be using it. As for the group four hundred people is minuscule compared to the millions of people who play halo. Those four hundred people certainly don't represent the community as a whole.

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These are all excellent reasons why it could be added, but why should it be added ? None of you thus far have brought up a good reason why they should be added to multiplayer. Customization you say ? No, it would be pointless. If you think logically every single halo game bungie has expanded customization. It simply won't be necessary with all the new options being added. Please, anyone give me multiple (valid) reasons why they should be added.
You want a reason? Because people want more choice. Look at the number of threads asking for Recon this site gets. People love customising their multiplayer appearance. People work harder to unlock achievements for armour where they wouldn't normally bother. Everyone wants to be unique, and while nothing short of realising features to allow people to design their own avatars will allow total individuality, adding more options brings us closer to it.

All you have posted is your own opinion. You think it would be pointless. Here is a group of over 400 people who disagree with you. Furthermore, the poll in this thread proves that most people would like them, even if they wouldn't use Brutes themselves. What better reason is there for Bungie to do something than the fans requesting it?
People post for recon simply because they can't have it. It's a psychological effect. They don't ask for recon simply because of customization. If people want it, but they wouldn't use it themselves how is that helping the cause ? Why would they even want it then ? They wouldn't be using it. As for the group four hundred people is minuscule compared to the millions of people who play halo. Those four hundred people certainly don't represent the community as a whole.
The whole Halo community do not frequent Bnet, and even if they did odds are they would not see this thread and come here to voice their opinion. Neither of us can truly say what the Halo fanbase want, but as a small test sample this thread suggests that the majority favour Brutes.

I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree. Some people thing Brutes are a good idea. You, and others like you, think they are unnecessary.

Of course, it's a game. Is any of it really necessary?

  • 06.27.2009 7:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jeffers
The whole Halo community do not frequent Bnet, and even if they did odds are they would not see this thread and come here to voice their opinion. Neither of us can truly say what the Halo fanbase want, but as a small test sample this thread suggests that the majority favour Brutes.

I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree. Some people thing Brutes are a good idea. You, and others like you, think they are unnecessary.

Of course, it's a game. Is any of it really necessary?
I guess i can agree with disagreeing. We'll always end up having some sort of argument. You all put up a good fight. :D

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Well, if you want a good reason, than why NOT? All i have heard from your party are minor quibblings such as resizing, hitboxes,etc., none of which are valid as bungie could easily, as has been said innumerable times already, change their size and hitboxes ever so slightly, and if they are a few pixels bigger or smaller, it wont matter once you start bragging about your sniper skills. Now i would like to here a valid argument from YOU why Brutes should NOT be on multiplayer, other than pathetic excuses such as: "they suck", "they look retarded", "nobody would use them", "their should only be spartans" and " Massive humpage would ensue, causing the humper to die because the enemy team would regroup and slaughter you as you mercilessly teabag your downed Brute". Seriously?? btw, I would love to have some kind of faction game type, and maybe they could even do a "civil war" sub type, Elites vs. Brutes.

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And Also, the very fact that this Thread has so many replies is testimony to their, shall we say, popularity? if you hate them so much, why not put them in multiplayer so you can slaughter them all the more, painting the level with their blood, if you feel so much hatred for their traitorous hides...

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And Also, the very fact that this Thread has so many replies is testimony to their, shall we say, popularity? if you hate them so much, why not put them in multiplayer so you can slaughter them all the more, painting the level with their blood, if you feel so much hatred for their traitorous hides...


Very well put I'm a fan of brutes so i'm not going to say anything bad about this thread but if people hate them so much why not just put them in there to kill and destroy the things you hate so much.

  • 06.27.2009 7:29 PM PDT

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And Also, the very fact that this Thread has so many replies is testimony to their, shall we say, popularity? if you hate them so much, why not put them in multiplayer so you can slaughter them all the more, painting the level with their blood, if you feel so much hatred for their traitorous hides...


Very well put I'm a fan of brutes so i'm not going to say anything bad about this thread but if people hate them so much why not just put them in there to kill and destroy the things you hate so much.
It's not that i hate them. It's that there is absolutely no reason to add them other than "OMG BRUTEZ ARE SOO COOL." I think people need to realize that Bungie would much rather work on some new innovative feature than adding a player model just to add a player model.

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Posted by: Lord War
And Also, the very fact that this Thread has so many replies is testimony to their, shall we say, popularity? if you hate them so much, why not put them in multiplayer so you can slaughter them all the more, painting the level with their blood, if you feel so much hatred for their traitorous hides...


Very well put I'm a fan of brutes so i'm not going to say anything bad about this thread but if people hate them so much why not just put them in there to kill and destroy the things you hate so much.
It's not that i hate them. It's that there is absolutely no reason to add them other than "OMG BRUTEZ ARE SOO COOL." I think people need to realize that Bungie would much rather work on some new innovative feature than adding a player model just to add a player model.

This is a good point and heres another bungie is a growing company they want a bigger fanbase giving people something that they may love or enjoy seeing would cause more people to buy their products and wouldn't bungie aim for more of something like that?

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i would like it but i would like flood forms even better but its still a great idea man

  • 06.27.2009 7:39 PM PDT

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This is a good point and heres another bungie is a growing company they want a bigger fanbase giving people something that they may love or enjoy seeing would cause more people to buy their products and wouldn't bungie aim for more of something like that?
It would be foolish to think that people would decide on buying a game based on whether or not a character model is put into multiplayer.

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Posted by: ColorblindTears
This is a good point and heres another bungie is a growing company they want a bigger fanbase giving people something that they may love or enjoy seeing would cause more people to buy their products and wouldn't bungie aim for more of something like that?
It would be foolish to think that people would decide on buying a game based on whether or not a character model is put into multiplayer.

So then wouldn't it be funny to buy the game in the first place because whats the point in buying a game if it has nothing that intrests you?

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This is a good point and heres another bungie is a growing company they want a bigger fanbase giving people something that they may love or enjoy seeing would cause more people to buy their products and wouldn't bungie aim for more of something like that?
It would be foolish to think that people would decide on buying a game based on whether or not a character model is put into multiplayer.

So then wouldn't it be funny to buy the game in the first place because whats the point in buying a game if it has nothing that intrests you?
Uh you would be pretty strange to buy a game for a character model, who in pretty much all cases you won't be looking at. I don't see where you're going with this.

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This is a good point and heres another bungie is a growing company they want a bigger fanbase giving people something that they may love or enjoy seeing would cause more people to buy their products and wouldn't bungie aim for more of something like that?
It would be foolish to think that people would decide on buying a game based on whether or not a character model is put into multiplayer.

So then wouldn't it be funny to buy the game in the first place because whats the point in buying a game if it has nothing that intrests you?
Uh you would be pretty strange to buy a game for a character model, who in pretty much all cases you won't be looking at. I don't see where you're going with this.
Okay i'm not just basing this off player models look at it at this angle, if you were going to buy a game wouldn't you buy the game because of the things it intrests you in if you went around buying things from people that you had no clue why or whats so important about it they'd be rich you'd be poor, if bungie made it so that more people would enjoy their game experiance wouldn't you invest more of you money into that?

  • 06.27.2009 7:50 PM PDT

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This is a good point and heres another bungie is a growing company they want a bigger fanbase giving people something that they may love or enjoy seeing would cause more people to buy their products and wouldn't bungie aim for more of something like that?
It would be foolish to think that people would decide on buying a game based on whether or not a character model is put into multiplayer.

So then wouldn't it be funny to buy the game in the first place because whats the point in buying a game if it has nothing that intrests you?
Uh you would be pretty strange to buy a game for a character model, who in pretty much all cases you won't be looking at. I don't see where you're going with this.


i dont see why you are even here if you dont support the idea

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Okay i'm not just basing this off player models look at it at this angle, if you were going to buy a game wouldn't you buy the game because of the things it intrests you in if you went around buying things from people that you had no clue why or whats so important about it they'd be rich you'd be poor, if bungie made it so that more people would enjoy their game experiance wouldn't you invest more of you money into that?
Again, the game shouldn't appeal to you based on who you play as in multiplayer. I'm interested in how the game plays. Not these petty ascetic choices you're talking about.

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Okay i'm not just basing this off player models look at it at this angle, if you were going to buy a game wouldn't you buy the game because of the things it intrests you in if you went around buying things from people that you had no clue why or whats so important about it they'd be rich you'd be poor, if bungie made it so that more people would enjoy their game experiance wouldn't you invest more of you money into that?
Again, the game shouldn't appeal to you based on who you play as in multiplayer. I'm interested in how the game plays. Not these petty ascetic choices you're talking about.
What armor do you wear just a simple question.

  • 06.27.2009 8:04 PM PDT

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Okay i'm not just basing this off player models look at it at this angle, if you were going to buy a game wouldn't you buy the game because of the things it intrests you in if you went around buying things from people that you had no clue why or whats so important about it they'd be rich you'd be poor, if bungie made it so that more people would enjoy their game experiance wouldn't you invest more of you money into that?
Again, the game shouldn't appeal to you based on who you play as in multiplayer. I'm interested in how the game plays. Not these petty ascetic choices you're talking about.


it shouldnt but it does appeal to people

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Given that you wear a different armor than default you obviously like changing what you look like in the game so u show ur differance in the game so if people like brutes, dinosaurs, or spartans who really cares let the people show there differance just like you do.

  • 06.27.2009 8:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: ColorblindTears
Given that you wear a different armor than default you obviously like changing what you look like in the game so u show ur differance in the game so if people like brutes, dinosaurs, or spartans who really cares let the people show there differance just like you do.


you werent talking to me right

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Posted by: ColorblindTears
Given that you wear a different armor than default you obviously like changing what you look like in the game so u show ur differance in the game so if people like brutes, dinosaurs, or spartans who really cares let the people show there differance just like you do.


you werent talking to me right


the other guy i've been talking too.

  • 06.27.2009 8:12 PM PDT