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Subject: Food for Thought (about time travel theory)

full set of halo 3 cutscenes

Now I just want to make it clear that I'm not a time travel guy. I don't support any theories, although I am open to them. However, I watched through halo 3, just the cutscenes on youtube, and something hit me that pertains to reach.



---> This isn't really the piece, but a lead in of sorts.
At 33:30
Cortona: "I'm not exactly sure what will happen when we fire it"
Master Chief: "We'll head for the portal, and we'll all go home"


And this is the part why I made a thread
At 41:35
Master Chief: "What happened"
Cortona: "We made it through just as it collapsed. The portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed. Well, some of us made it.".

Not to go super sci-fi on you guys, but collapsing portals mixed with a firing mysterious ring and a megastructure breaking down could spew time travel. What exactly was this portal? Do they really know where it led? Because to me, it seems like they sent them to the middle of no where. They don't really seem to explain it.

Again, I'm not supporting either side, but it's something we have to include in these discussions.







[Edited on 06.28.2009 6:34 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2009 6:33 PM PDT

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im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth

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Hmm.
Interesting, it makes me think alot about the Legendary ending of Halo3.
You bring up a good point but are you implying that maybe Master Chief and Cortana are going back to the time of the Fall of Reach to relive the battle?


-Oh Dwyer

  • 06.28.2009 6:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth

Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't.

  • 06.28.2009 6:42 PM PDT

Posted by: D w y y er
Hmm.
Interesting, it makes me think alot about the Legendary ending of Halo3.
You bring up a good point but are you implying that maybe Master Chief and Cortana are going back to the time of the Fall of Reach to relive the battle?


-Oh Dwyer
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Well I wasn't trying to imply anything necessarily, but Master Chief and Cortona definately aren't going back to Reach out of desire. It's just a stumbling occurence. Not to say it's random, but they didn't choose it.

It's just something that struck me-- they go through a portal, which for now just remember a portal brings you to another location in space-time. The legendary ending shows them nearing to what looks undeniably like Reach (with the ringed planet and moon as well on both). I thought the legendary ending could have been "hey, this is what's up next" but with this portal knowledge, I'd have to assume they're straight up there from the portal.

[Edited on 06.28.2009 6:47 PM PDT]

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Yes, yes.
I understand what you're saying but what if the Chief and Cortana are going back in time.
That would be awesome.


-Oh Dwyer

  • 06.28.2009 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth

Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't.


yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still

  • 06.28.2009 6:49 PM PDT

Posted by: D w y y er
Yes, yes.
I understand what you're saying but what if the Chief and Cortana are going back in time.
That would be awesome.


-Oh Dwyer

You must remember though, if this were true (which I wouldn't be suprised, we love teh chief!), the plotline would be essentially an alternate version of what happened in Fall of Reach/ First Strike. Yea, Red Team would be doing their thing and whatnot, but Master Chief's interruption would change the space-time flow. And they really could take it however they want as this is really a point in all sci-fi where you can make your own rules basically. For example, while I doubt bungie does this, you could say only 1 instance of the same person can live in a universe and as MC from the time we know comes, MC in Reach dies. Alternate timeline, remember. I don't think Bungie would take that route, sci-fi in general has gone away from people not being able to meet themselves.

  • 06.28.2009 6:54 PM PDT

I love Mute!

No not time travel but warp. To the shield word where the other spartan are!

  • 06.28.2009 6:54 PM PDT

Posted by: Josephson
Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth

Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't.


yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still

Sci-fi generally lets anything that enters a worm hole exit it. And if you mean you don't have the force to move out, inertia my friend. Spacecrafts in space turn off their engines once they reach their speed in space. No fiction nor gravity or many other forces--> nothing to slow you down.

  • 06.28.2009 6:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson
Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth

Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't.


yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still

Sci-fi generally lets anything that enters a worm hole exit it. And if you mean you don't have the force to move out, inertia my friend. Spacecrafts in space turn off their engines once they reach their speed in space. No fiction nor gravity or many other forces--> nothing to slow you down.


never -blam!- mind you are slowing down still with out the engine you dont stay in slip space. i didnt mean you just stop dead in space. you still havent proved that time travel is achieved

  • 06.28.2009 7:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Josephson
Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson
Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth

Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't.


yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still

Sci-fi generally lets anything that enters a worm hole exit it. And if you mean you don't have the force to move out, inertia my friend. Spacecrafts in space turn off their engines once they reach their speed in space. No fiction nor gravity or many other forces--> nothing to slow you down.


never -blam!- mind you are slowing down still with out the engine you dont stay in slip space. i didnt mean you just stop dead in space. you still havent proved that time travel is achieved

You wouldn't need an "engine" to stay in slip space. What worm-holes do is bend space and essentially open up a gap from point a in time to point b. Moving within the universe would be a level down form point a in space to another time.

As far as time travel, I can't prove it, but this portal is undoubtly interesting and with it, I think it's best to infer it to be the case. Mysterious portal + legendary ending showing what looks distinctly like Reach from the trailer = time travel.

[Edited on 06.28.2009 7:13 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2009 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth[/quote]
Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't. [/quote]

yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still [/quote]
Sci-fi generally lets anything that enters a worm hole exit it. And if you mean you don't have the force to move out, inertia my friend. Spacecrafts in space turn off their engines once they reach their speed in space. No fiction nor gravity or many other forces--> nothing to slow you down. [/quote]

never -blam!- mind you are slowing down still with out the engine you dont stay in slip space. i didnt mean you just stop dead in space. you still havent proved that time travel is achieved [/quote]
You wouldn't need an "engine" to stay in slip space. What worm-holes do is bend space and essentially open up a gap from point a in time to point b. Moving within the universe would be a level down form point a in space to another time.

As far as time travel, I can't prove it, but this portal is undoubtly interesting and with it, I think it's best to infer it to be the case. Mysterious portal + legendary ending showing what looks distinctly like Reach from the trailer = time travel.


it looks nothing like reach it looks more like onyx is described.

  • 06.28.2009 7:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Josephson

Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth[/quote]
Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't. [/quote]

yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still [/quote]
Sci-fi generally lets anything that enters a worm hole exit it. And if you mean you don't have the force to move out, inertia my friend. Spacecrafts in space turn off their engines once they reach their speed in space. No fiction nor gravity or many other forces--> nothing to slow you down. [/quote]

never -blam!- mind you are slowing down still with out the engine you dont stay in slip space. i didnt mean you just stop dead in space. you still havent proved that time travel is achieved [/quote]
You wouldn't need an "engine" to stay in slip space. What worm-holes do is bend space and essentially open up a gap from point a in time to point b. Moving within the universe would be a level down form point a in space to another time.

As far as time travel, I can't prove it, but this portal is undoubtly interesting and with it, I think it's best to infer it to be the case. Mysterious portal + legendary ending showing what looks distinctly like Reach from the trailer = time travel.


it looks nothing like reach it looks more like onyx is described.

Compare the CGI trailer to the Lengendary ending. You can see a planet with rings and a moon of it. Both have a white gleam to reveal the planet.

  • 06.28.2009 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Posted by: Josephson

Posted by: Josephson
im thinking the portal is the forerunners Equal to slip space so being half way threw wouldn't make you time travel you'll just be stuck some where in space between the ark and earth[/quote]
Well they were in it, it just not the whole ship.
Master chief and cortona made it, the Arbiter didn't. [/quote]

yeah i know the arbiter made it back to earth and the portal collapsed on the the back of the ship. did you get what i said. ok imagine you on a ship in slipspace you are going from pluto to earth now your slipspace engine blows up you dont time travel you just stop where you are and your between pluto and earth still [/quote]
Sci-fi generally lets anything that enters a worm hole exit it. And if you mean you don't have the force to move out, inertia my friend. Spacecrafts in space turn off their engines once they reach their speed in space. No fiction nor gravity or many other forces--> nothing to slow you down. [/quote]

never -blam!- mind you are slowing down still with out the engine you dont stay in slip space. i didnt mean you just stop dead in space. you still havent proved that time travel is achieved [/quote]
You wouldn't need an "engine" to stay in slip space. What worm-holes do is bend space and essentially open up a gap from point a in time to point b. Moving within the universe would be a level down form point a in space to another time.

As far as time travel, I can't prove it, but this portal is undoubtly interesting and with it, I think it's best to infer it to be the case. Mysterious portal + legendary ending showing what looks distinctly like Reach from the trailer = time travel.


it looks nothing like reach it looks more like onyx is described.

Compare the CGI trailer to the Lengendary ending. You can see a planet with rings and a moon of it. Both have a white gleam to reveal the planet.


yeah that white gleam is a star brightening the planets horizon doesnt mean they are the same planet

  • 06.28.2009 7:59 PM PDT

. [/quote]

yeah that white gleam is a star brightening the planets horizon doesnt mean they are the same planet

But then how do you explain the planet and moon and the inscriptions on the main planet itself

  • 06.28.2009 8:02 PM PDT

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inscriptions? thats the planet being cleansed by plasma bombardment the planet is literally on fire.

  • 06.28.2009 8:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Josephson
inscriptions? thats the planet being cleansed by plasma bombardment the planet is literally on fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqIEvH7sGQ0

Edit: I'm pretty sure they're military bases. Lights + elevated area.

[Edited on 06.28.2009 8:21 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2009 8:11 PM PDT

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and i just watched the ledgendary ending there is no planet with a ring around it.

  • 06.28.2009 8:12 PM PDT

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Why would it send him back in time just because the portal collapsed?

O ======================== >> ========= O
Ark entrance .................................... ship ............. Earth exit

{{ Halo activates, the Ark is destroyed }}

O ==================================== >(>)

{{ The portal collapses }}

X ==================================== > X >

{{ The ship is split in two; front goes to Earth, back is stuck in the wormhole }}

After the portal collapses, the rear end of the ship is in slipspace. With no more energy the engines shut down, and the ship decelerates. As depicted in Halo: First Strike, when something decelerates too far in slipspace, it drops into real-space (the Spartans' Spirit dropship by the Unyielding Hierophant). So the Chief simply dropped out of slipspace and into real space somewhere between the Ark and Earth, possibly at a Shield World.

[Edited on 06.28.2009 8:18 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2009 8:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Josephson
inscriptions? thats the planet being cleansed by plasma bombardment the planet is literally on fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqIEvH7sGQ0


ok watch at 41 seconds. those "inscriptions" suddenly disappear when the first explosion goes of. that is a city and those were lights going off

  • 06.28.2009 8:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Why would it send him back in time just because the portal collapsed?

O ======================== >> ========= O
Ark entrance .................................... ship ............. Earth exit

{{ Halo activates, the Ark is destroyed }}

O ==================================== >(>)

{{ The portal collapses }}

X ==================================== > X >

{{ The ship is split in two; front goes to Earth, back is stuck in the wormhole }}

After the portal collapses, the rear end of the ship is in slipspace. With no more energy the engines shut down, and the ship decelerates. As depicted in Halo: First Strike, when something decelerates too far in slipspace, it drops into real-space (the Spartans' Spirit dropship by the Unyielding Hierophant). So the Chief simply dropped out of slipspace and into real space somewhere between the Ark and Earth, possibly at a Shield World.


thank you and nice diagram.

  • 06.28.2009 8:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

The Portal goes between the portal to the Ark on Earth near New Mombasa and the Ark.

It closed and only allowed half of the frigate to pass to earth, and the half containing John-117 and Cortana is floating in space near the ark.

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why is it always time teavel?

ok, in theory if the cheif went back to reach, with cotana, then having been there between halo1 and halo 3, when he rescued the rest of the S IIs and Dr. halsey, read the books, cortana would remember all the information they would have given about what happened on reach, and everything since then, they would undoutably try and change history to defeat the covenant then...

or, as in H3 final cutscene, the chief plugs cortana's chip into the computer terminal before he goes into stasis, the holo projector works... therefor there was power, with the engines being in the same half of the ship as them.

it would make sense, the reason they would cut out mid flight is that as the front of the ship exited the portal and the back half got cut off, the engines stopped as there was no computer telling them what to do.

my point here is, they had power, and cortana didnt know where they were, impplying she 'looked', if she had looked and they had been near reach, she would have known by star paterns and such. id expect even an AI to react as 'wow, were near reach, smeg thats awesome!' or 'holy cow! its reach, wait, i think weve gone back in time, the covenant are attacking! get away from the stasis tube biatch u got work to do!'

this is not reach in H3's cutscene, reach is not a 'time-travel' game. the chief is MIA, the only thing i expect the chief to do in H:R is run off and blow up halo.

*edit* if chief and cortana where still outside the portal when halo went off at the arc... chief would be a fecking corpse, they were inside the portal traveling at 'the speed of light*X' and well out of range.

is my insanity making sense to you? or am i alone in my simplistic disection of your failing intellect?

[Edited on 06.28.2009 9:02 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2009 8:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

I do agree with MLG Cheehwawa. Though isn't it funny how the Chief finds himself in these situations? First with "randomly" finding the halo ring after escaping Reach and now they drop out of slipspace and again "randomly" find a mysterious planet? I guess it just juices up the storyline.

[Edited on 06.28.2009 9:01 PM PDT]

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