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Subject: Bungie, use real gun sounds this time.

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
DISCLAIMER: While some of the Halo bullets might not exist (sniper), Bungie could still get the sound of a real weapon, then alter it a little.



In every Halo game, the guns sound, well, fake. This is most noticeable in Halo 3 with the assault rifle. Below is the type of round that each human weapon fires (plasma weapons don't exist yet so I cannot expect Bungie to get real sounding plasma weapons):

-The assault rifle fires 7.62mm x 51 FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) rounds.

-The pistols fire .50 caliber rounds. So they should sound like a desert eagle.

-The SMG fires a 5x23mm Caseless FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) round.

-The shotgun uses an 8-gauge magnum (3.5") shell. Those are huge rounds, most shotguns use a 12 gauge. The shotgun should also have more range. Real combat shotguns are effective up to at least 20 meters.

-The sniper rifle fires 14.5mm Armor-Piercing, Fin-Stabilized, Discarding Sabot (AP-FS-DS) rounds. Those are larger than a barrette .50 cals rounds.

-The machine gun turrets fire a 7.62 X 51mm caliber round. The legendary AK-47 fires a 7.62x39mm M43 round. The rounds are the same diameter, but the machine guns cartridge is 12mm longer.
(Larger cartridge = more powder)

-Explosions:
I am confident that Bungie would be able to record the sounds of real explosions to be placed in games.

While I am pretty sure that some of these rounds don't exist, I still think that Bungie should find weapons/ammo that are as close in round size to these Halo weapons.

They should then fire off these rounds in a firing range, and record the gun sounds at different distances. Something I noticed is that the assault rifle sounds the same 20 meters away as it does 50 meters away.

Before you start saying that sounds in video games are muffled, I know. however, if you watch the trailer for Modern Warfare 2, you will see, no, hear how real the weapons sound. Especially at 48 seconds+.

Again, before you guys start saying that this is Halo, and that is Call of Duty:

Just because the games have different art styles, and different gameplay, does not mean that one has to sound real, and the other cannot.

I hope Bungie takes this into consideration, and goes the extra mile so we can have real sounding guns.


Wow. That is stupid to even say. Its in the future why the heck would the guns sound the same? You're probably the only person to want this so gtfo.

  • 06.30.2009 12:08 PM PDT
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People keep telling me to get a life... I am getting an education, I have a lovely girlfriend and alot of friends... I thought this was having a life? Gues I was wrong...

I yeah, I love other games with real gun sounds, its so amazing.

Command - "Commander, I need you too.... [Gunfire] then go... [More gunfire] and then... [Even more gunfire] Good luck...[Followed by more gunfire]"
Commander Jerk-with-big-ass-gun - "Wait, what did he say I needed to do? God, this game sucks, he didnt even tell me what to do"

I think I'll keep the gun sounds we have now, thank you very much.

  • 06.30.2009 12:11 PM PDT

You Americans and your guns...

  • 06.30.2009 12:16 PM PDT
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HAHAHAHA its hilarious seeing all these fanboys attacking ANYBODY suggesting change.

Jesus christ guys, he just wants the guns to sound cooler. This game ISNT Halo 3.2, if you guys didn't know.

Stop getting so god damn defensive.

  • 06.30.2009 12:21 PM PDT

Sigh.

AK-47

M-16

M249 SAW

Desert eagle

Skip foward to 1:54

I wonder why people put music in these videos. But this is basically a 14mm

FAMAS

The FAMAS, M249 SAW, and the M-16, all fire more or less the same round. But they all sound different.

I don't understand why having real sounding guns is bad. And I don't mind if Bungie alters them to sound more futuristic.

Posted by: The BS Police
Maybe because we like the idea that all weapons for gameplay purposes should sound different rather than all sounding the same as an AK47.


[Edited on 06.30.2009 12:24 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2009 12:22 PM PDT
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You brits and your farts hahahaahahah

and meh what if bungie mixxed the rifle sounds together to make a hybrid weapon lets say an AK47 + M16 how do you know they didn't use actual rifle sounds but lowered the volume on them?

[Edited on 06.30.2009 12:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.30.2009 12:22 PM PDT

Are you telling me to stop being defensive?

Posted by: iroll
HAHAHAHA its hilarious seeing all these fanboys attacking ANYBODY suggesting change.

Jesus christ guys, he just wants the guns to sound cooler. This game ISNT Halo 3.2, if you guys didn't know.

Stop getting so god damn defensive.

  • 06.30.2009 12:31 PM PDT

(;3=

Posted by: Wolverfrog
You Americans and your guns...


yep thats us alright. guns are fun going hunting going on a office rampage fun

  • 06.30.2009 12:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
Are you telling me to stop being defensive?

Posted by: iroll
HAHAHAHA its hilarious seeing all these fanboys attacking ANYBODY suggesting change.

Jesus christ guys, he just wants the guns to sound cooler. This game ISNT Halo 3.2, if you guys didn't know.

Stop getting so god damn defensive.

No, I'm supporting you.

I'm telling the people that say ITLL DESTROY THE VERY FOUNDATION OF HALO IF YOU CHANGE THE GUN SOUNDS to stop being defensive.

  • 06.30.2009 12:38 PM PDT

G-R-A-Y-M-8-8

Pronounced, Gray Em Eighty Eight

I hate the way they sound, they're not loud enough, not explosive enough. They don't sound like bullets that can tear through flesh and rip through shields and kill people and aliens alike.

  • 06.30.2009 12:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Timtaztix
Why don't you level 50's out there, when you finally decide to apply for colleges...why don't you put that you were a level 50 on your application. And put it on your job resume, too. See how much it matters, and how much people care.

OK. a few things i would like to point out

If i remember correctly on one of the special feature disks they put out ( i think it was halo 2) they actually recorded real gun fire. so im pretty sure they have real gunfire modified to be they way they think it fits bets.



and anyone who thinks the AR sounds weak, TURN UP YOUR BASS

  • 06.30.2009 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you just skip the OP and then go down to the first derogatory post you can find?

you're forgetting everyone who uses this forum daily, or even moderately, is a complete under aged, illiterate moron. Trying to help them understand your idea is a waste of time...

  • 06.30.2009 1:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Timtaztix
Why don't you level 50's out there, when you finally decide to apply for colleges...why don't you put that you were a level 50 on your application. And put it on your job resume, too. See how much it matters, and how much people care.

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you just skip the OP and then go down to the first derogatory post you can find?

you're forgetting everyone who uses this forum daily, or even moderately, is a complete under aged, illiterate moron. Trying to help them understand your idea is a waste of time...

well, not everyone :P

  • 06.30.2009 1:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeenXpriest29
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you just skip the OP and then go down to the first derogatory post you can find?

you're forgetting everyone who uses this forum daily, or even moderately, is a complete under aged, illiterate moron. Trying to help them understand your idea is a waste of time...


yah I know right.. seeing you're here too... kinda makes you all those..

  • 06.30.2009 1:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: BeenXpriest29
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you just skip the OP and then go down to the first derogatory post you can find?

you're forgetting everyone who uses this forum daily, or even moderately, is a complete under aged, illiterate moron. Trying to help them understand your idea is a waste of time...


yah I know right.. seeing you're here too... kinda makes you all those..

You must not understand, which is not surprising... I do not use this forum moderately or daily, i just made a post, but no problem if you didn't understand. I'm not disappointed.

  • 06.30.2009 1:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeenXpriest29
Posted by: Seravie
Posted by: BeenXpriest29
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you just skip the OP and then go down to the first derogatory post you can find?

you're forgetting everyone who uses this forum daily, or even moderately, is a complete under aged, illiterate moron. Trying to help them understand your idea is a waste of time...


yah I know right.. seeing you're here too... kinda makes you all those..

You must not understand, which is not surprising... I do not use this forum moderately or daily, i just made a post, but no problem if you didn't understand. I'm not disappointed.


Before you point fingers at people make sure they're clean

  • 06.30.2009 1:21 PM PDT

But why should we have to get a special feature disk?

And I did turn up my bass, to the maximum actually, and it just kinda ruined everything else. The pitch needs to be turned up..

  • 06.30.2009 1:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seravie
Posted by: BeenXpriest29
Posted by: Seravie
Posted by: BeenXpriest29
Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you just skip the OP and then go down to the first derogatory post you can find?

you're forgetting everyone who uses this forum daily, or even moderately, is a complete under aged, illiterate moron. Trying to help them understand your idea is a waste of time...


yah I know right.. seeing you're here too... kinda makes you all those..

You must not understand, which is not surprising... I do not use this forum moderately or daily, i just made a post, but no problem if you didn't understand. I'm not disappointed.


Before you point fingers at people make sure they're clean

Lol, got banned for that. But i'm not sure you understand? Trying to fit in doesn't make me a daily or moderate user of the forums? Just a question but are you mentally challenged, if you, like the other people who actually posted in that thread, can not determine if i'm joking, well you have a problem...

  • 06.30.2009 1:24 PM PDT

Guys, stop arguing. This is not an argument thread.

  • 06.30.2009 1:25 PM PDT
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<_<; but anyway you have to ask them how they made the weapon effects instead of bashing them maybe they did use weapons but tweaked it.

  • 06.30.2009 1:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seravie
<_<; but anyway you have to ask them how they made the weapon effects instead of bashing them maybe they did use weapons but tweaked it.

Out of cli-chés are we? OP i agree, the sound of the h1 Assault Rifle was awesome, hopefully they put some more effort into the sounds of reach.

  • 06.30.2009 1:32 PM PDT

I'm sorry, but even if they used an air soft gun, the assault rifle would have sounded better.

Posted by: Seravie
<_<; but anyway you have to ask them how they made the weapon effects instead of bashing them maybe they did use weapons but tweaked it.

  • 06.30.2009 1:33 PM PDT

I actually remember seeing a video where they went and visited a military post to get sounds and study soldier movement for animations during Halo 2. They probably did get real gun sounds, but they probably got them the traditional way by standing far off with a mic. Then they probably compress the sound so it comes off sounding lame on the final game. I agree though. The weapons sound way too soft.

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  • 06.30.2009 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I will explain this once more.

Just because we are 500 years, doesn't mean that bullets sound different. The weapon might make a different sound when it is fired, but bullets sound the same.

Posted by: ABotelho
Posted by: Council Elite 12
Considering that this takes place in the future, 500+ years into the future, I'm not quite sure that they would be sounding like these modern guns.

I am sure that humans will still be using the same mechanisms that we use today. For all we know they could be using a crappy silencer. Be reasonable.

  • 06.30.2009 1:39 PM PDT