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Subject: Bungie, use real gun sounds this time.

Halo is a real war type game. But just because the war is fictional doesn't mean that guns should sound like crap.

In the game Halo, the war is real. So the guns should sound real.

Posted by: jam03011993
halo has an unreal feel to it, COD has the real war feel to it. so halo should have good sounds but not exact like the real guns, leave that to the more real war feeling games

  • 07.02.2009 10:38 AM PDT

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my OPINION is that halo has an unreal feeling to it, maybe its because my mind doesnt believe in an alien war.... if your mind does then your opinion will be different

  • 07.02.2009 10:42 AM PDT
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WoW is like Girls Gone Wild without the tits: idiots and douches taking turns doing anything to get noticed, and no one knows what a condom looks like.

You know what. You are right. And another thing, what is with the way that plasma sounds. Totally not like real plasma. And don't get me started on that needler...

  • 07.02.2009 10:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
DISCLAIMER: While some of the Halo bullets might not exist (sniper), Bungie could still get the sound of a real weapon, then alter it a little.

DO NOT USE THE LAZY EXCUSE THAT THIS GAME IS IN THE FUTURE. IF we are still using bulllets 500 years from now, why should the guns sound any different? If you are going to use that excuse, you might as well say that we should be using laser weapons.




In every Halo game, the guns sound, well, fake. This is most noticeable in Halo 3 with the assault rifle. Below is the type of round that each human weapon fires (plasma weapons don't exist yet so I cannot expect Bungie to get real sounding plasma weapons):

-The assault rifle fires 7.62mm x 51 FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) rounds.

-The pistols fire .50 caliber rounds. So they should sound like a desert eagle.

-The SMG fires a 5x23mm Caseless FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) round.

-The shotgun uses an 8-gauge magnum (3.5") shell. Those are huge rounds, most shotguns use a 12 gauge. The shotgun should also have more range. Real combat shotguns are effective up to at least 20 meters.

-The sniper rifle fires 14.5mm Armor-Piercing, Fin-Stabilized, Discarding Sabot (AP-FS-DS) rounds. Those are larger than a barrette .50 cals rounds.

-The machine gun turrets fire a 7.62 X 51mm caliber round (MG-42). The legendary AK-47 fires a 7.62x39mm M43 round. The rounds are the same diameter, but the machine guns cartridge is 12mm longer.
(Larger cartridge = more powder)


-Explosions:
I am confident that Bungie would be able to record the sounds of real explosions to be placed in games.

While I am pretty sure that some of these rounds don't exist, I still think that Bungie should find weapons/ammo that are as close in round size to these Halo weapons.

They should then fire off these rounds in a firing range, and record the gun sounds at different distances. Something I noticed is that the assault rifle sounds the same 20 meters away as it does 50 meters away.

Before you start saying that sounds in video games are muffled, I know. however, if you watch the trailer for Modern Warfare 2, you will see, no, hear how real the weapons sound. Especially at 48 seconds+.

Again, before you guys start saying that this is Halo, and that is Call of Duty:

Just because the games have different art styles, and different gameplay, does not mean that one has to sound real, and the other cannot.

I hope Bungie takes this into consideration, and goes the extra mile so we can have real sounding guns.


see the thing here is most of the weapons in halo are gas operated. the weapons hence don't used cased rounds, yes the BR uses cased rounds as does the Chain gun, but the AR is gas opperated, hence the dull sound. also, the sniper is too. the fact it is so loud in game is astounding.

  • 07.02.2009 10:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sebasness
You know what. You are right. And another thing, what is with the way that plasma sounds. Totally not like real plasma. And don't get me started on that needler...

thank you! god somebody understands haha

  • 07.02.2009 10:52 AM PDT

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The burst of the AR tearing through all those rounds, is such a nostalgic sound ever since Halo CE. You can't just go and change something like that now, good sir.

  • 07.02.2009 10:52 AM PDT
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They do use real weapon sounds. All they do is add additional sounds to the gun noises. Like the shotgun. You can even tell with the AR if you listen close enough and ignore the tapping noise it makes you'll hear a faint noise of a real assault rifle. They just lowered the noise of it and added the additional sound.

I'm pretty sure atleast, I know they did in Halo 2. Which to be honest those guns sounded better.

[Edited on 07.02.2009 10:53 AM PDT]

  • 07.02.2009 10:52 AM PDT

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The SMG's sound wonderful! The AR is the only one that sounds really fake.

  • 07.02.2009 11:43 AM PDT

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  • 07.02.2009 11:52 AM PDT

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  • 07.02.2009 11:59 AM PDT

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They're not using present day guns 500 years into the future (though the fact that they still use bullets is interesting).

  • 07.02.2009 12:20 PM PDT

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Bullets now=pretty much the same as bullets 500 years in the future. Different materials might be used, but when it comes down to it, gunpowder exploding sounds like gunpowder exploding.

Also, gas operated weapons are in use today. The term "gas operated" simply means that the leftover pressure from the firing of the bullet resets the bolt, seating a new round. It's how all semi and fully-automatic weapons work, besides most handguns (Desert Eagle aside) which are recoil operated. So, the Assault Rifle should not sound like an airsoft gun. My Tippmann X7 sounds more like a firearm than the MA5C. It's gas operated as well.

Having been present for the firing of M-60 machine guns on a firing range, I can tell you that 32 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition on fully-automatic does NOT sound like a vibrator/airsoft gun hybrid. It doesn't quite sound like the MA5B, either (the MA5B is too deep a sound), but the MA5B was closer.

In regards to posts that amount to "500 years in the future I'm sure we've figured out how to silence weapons", I would like to introduce you to Physics. Bullets, for the most part, are SUPERSONIC. Supersonic objects create noise when they move through the air. Contrary to movies and TV and other video games (I'm staring at you Rainbow Six), silencing a weapon is not as simple as slapping a supressor on the barrel. You need the correct suppressor length, the barrel of the weapon must be threaded for a supressor AND you need to be using SUB-SONIC ammunition. Supersonic ammunition will make noise regardless of what kind of supressor you put on it.

Contrary to common belief, a supressor does not quiet the actual projectile, which is why subsonic rounds are used. A supressor captures the excess gas and pressure from the explosion and contains/disapates it, which negates the "bang" sound that comes with firing weapons. However, this has the adverse effect of making the action harder to cycle and with some weapons the user has to manually cycle the bolt after firing each round. It's for this reason that integrated supressors are rarely used in modern weapons. The MP5 SD variants are the only mass-produced weapon that I can think of off the top of my head that have integrated supressors, and even those only work with sub-sonic ammunition, which has less stopping power, velocity and range than super-sonic ammunition, hence why they're only used in a very specific role.

  • 07.02.2009 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sir Killalot33
They're not using present day guns 500 years into the future (though the fact that they still use bullets is interesting).


Why? Bullets work. And very well at that. Hell, I'd take bullets over lasers.

  • 07.02.2009 12:33 PM PDT

Thank you "The 13th Arbiter."

Maybe now people will understand.

  • 07.02.2009 12:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
DISCLAIMER: While some of the Halo bullets might not exist (sniper), Bungie could still get the sound of a real weapon, then alter it a little.

DO NOT USE THE LAZY EXCUSE THAT THIS GAME IS IN THE FUTURE. IF we are still using bulllets 500 years from now, why should the guns sound any different? If you are going to use that excuse, you might as well say that we should be using laser weapons.




In every Halo game, the guns sound, well, fake. This is most noticeable in Halo 3 with the assault rifle. Below is the type of round that each human weapon fires (plasma weapons don't exist yet so I cannot expect Bungie to get real sounding plasma weapons):

-The assault rifle fires 7.62mm x 51 FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) rounds.

-The pistols fire .50 caliber rounds. So they should sound like a desert eagle.

-The SMG fires a 5x23mm Caseless FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) round.

-The shotgun uses an 8-gauge magnum (3.5") shell. Those are huge rounds, most shotguns use a 12 gauge. The shotgun should also have more range. Real combat shotguns are effective up to at least 20 meters.

-The sniper rifle fires 14.5mm Armor-Piercing, Fin-Stabilized, Discarding Sabot (AP-FS-DS) rounds. Those are larger than a barrette .50 cals rounds.

-The machine gun turrets fire a 7.62 X 51mm caliber round (MG-42). The legendary AK-47 fires a 7.62x39mm M43 round. The rounds are the same diameter, but the machine guns cartridge is 12mm longer.
(Larger cartridge = more powder)


-Explosions:
I am confident that Bungie would be able to record the sounds of real explosions to be placed in games.

While I am pretty sure that some of these rounds don't exist, I still think that Bungie should find weapons/ammo that are as close in round size to these Halo weapons.

They should then fire off these rounds in a firing range, and record the gun sounds at different distances. Something I noticed is that the assault rifle sounds the same 20 meters away as it does 50 meters away.

Before you start saying that sounds in video games are muffled, I know. however, if you watch the trailer for Modern Warfare 2, you will see, no, hear how real the weapons sound. Especially at 48 seconds+.

Again, before you guys start saying that this is Halo, and that is Call of Duty:

Just because the games have different art styles, and different gameplay, does not mean that one has to sound real, and the other cannot.

I hope Bungie takes this into consideration, and goes the extra mile so we can have real sounding guns.

I agree with you. But you're wrong about not having laser/plasma weapons. The US military is already using a laser weapon that is in use in Iraq. Its purpose is for destroying bombs. But it could easily tear humans apart.

  • 07.02.2009 1:29 PM PDT

@ 13th Arbiter- Rainbow Six is weird when it comes to silencers, heck the P90 sounds like nailgun with their silencer.


Posted by: TW InKoGnIto

Maybe now people will understand.


When it comes down to it Halo is just a fictional game, I do not play Halo for the realism, but for the awesome fictional action, story, and multiplayer. So does it really matter that guns in a fictional future do not sound like today's weapons?

No.

Also I notice you refuse to acknowledge that bullets do not fully determine the noise of a weapon, barrel length and such does, so please stop referring to your "The future has bullets, so they should sound the same" excuse.


[Edited on 07.02.2009 1:42 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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TLDR so this might have already been said, but you guys are aware that the AR is gas-powered, and thus it is logical that it sounds oddly. Dunno where i read it.

  • 07.02.2009 1:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Surma92
TLDR so this might have already been said, but you guys are aware that the AR is gas-powered, and thus it is logical that it sounds oddly. Dunno where i read it.

Definition of a gas powered rifle.

  • 07.02.2009 2:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Surma92
TLDR so this might have already been said, but you guys are aware that the AR is gas-powered, and thus it is logical that it sounds oddly. Dunno where i read it.


I direct you to my post about halfway up the page. Yes, the really long one. In there, I explain what the term "gas powered" actually denotes. It is not logical that the AR sounds wierd.

  • 07.02.2009 3:19 PM PDT

I should put the definition of "gas powered" in the OP.

Posted by: The 13th Arbiter
Posted by: Surma92
TLDR so this might have already been said, but you guys are aware that the AR is gas-powered, and thus it is logical that it sounds oddly. Dunno where i read it.


I direct you to my post about halfway up the page. Yes, the really long one. In there, I explain what the term "gas powered" actually denotes. It is not logical that the AR sounds wierd.

  • 07.02.2009 7:27 PM PDT

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i think the assualt rifle and other automatic guns should really shake the hell out of the rumble in the controller.

make it like you are feeling a lot more kickback from a gun. not a light hand-massage.

  • 07.02.2009 8:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: The 13th Arbiter
Posted by: Sir Killalot33
They're not using present day guns 500 years into the future (though the fact that they still use bullets is interesting).


Why? Bullets work. And very well at that. Hell, I'd take bullets over lasers.

so do arrows...

  • 07.02.2009 8:01 PM PDT

The only advantage lasers have is the fact that they travel in a straight line. Gravity barely affects them.

But other than that, bullets are really effective.

Posted by: ultratog1028
Posted by: The 13th Arbiter
Posted by: Sir Killalot33
They're not using present day guns 500 years into the future (though the fact that they still use bullets is interesting).


Why? Bullets work. And very well at that. Hell, I'd take bullets over lasers.

so do arrows...

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um a rifle today would hurt your ears after a while of shooting without ear plugs specialy a 357 i was stupid to shoot that beast without ear plugs couldnt hear for an hour.but think about it.its 500 hundred years in the future,the guns will have smoother machanisms and probobly built in suppresors and the bullet probably isnt propeled by gun powder.

[Edited on 07.02.2009 8:26 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2009 8:25 PM PDT