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but then again... hoosh u have a very good point and good backup i have to hand that to ya


Yes! first on page!!! woohoooo!

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  • 07.19.2004 6:44 AM PDT
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You are all fools.

Listen to this logic, that I think proves grunts are NOT Foreruneer.
The Forerunner worlds, like Halo, contain enough oxygen to sustain life like humans. HUMANS CAN BREATHE THERE, WITHOUT ANY APPARATUS. If grunts were Forerunner, they would have made the atmosphere METHANE, so that the GRUNTS could actually LIVE there. Why in the world would they make it breathable for other species, but not for themselves??? Why?

Only someone as stupid as you would be able to do that. But they can't build objects such as the ring. So no.

What are you gonna say now, huh?

  • 07.19.2004 8:18 AM PDT
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Whereas you're theory may seem sound, I still don't buy it. Nor do I buy into the whole "humans are forerunner" crap. The Forerunner are a seperate race that we havn't seen...yet.

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Posted by: SPARTAN_3920
Twitch_37, you got some serious issues if you think that Grunts are Forerunner. If they were, how the hell would Bungie explain how they were? Maybe they'd use the same lameass theories as you, but I bet even if it came from them that no-one would believe it.

Listen to what tmone17 is actually saying, the guy makes complete sense. When I read your theories, it reminds me of children trying to explain things, where they just say "because it does".

All your radical thinking blows out all logic thinking.
* Halo. It has similar gravity and atmosphere to Earth. Its plantlife is exactly the same as Earths.
* Grunts obviously live on a planet with a large methane percentage (enough to sustain their life) because they breathe methane. So when they joined the Covenant, the other species (Phophets, Elites etc.) developed breathing apparatus for the Grunts to use. This would be so that they could use Grunts on other planets that have different atmospheres. It makes more sense to develop and make breathing apparatus for an inferior race and use them to explore rather than sending lots precious Elites out.
* The breathing apparatus isn't too technical, it wouldn't even be developed by Grunts. I (and probably everyone else) think that if the Covenant race can adapt and study Forerunner artifacts so they can eventually make floating vehicles and plasma guns, then I think they might be intelligent enough to actually create technology that supplies methane to Grunts.

Basically everything you have said is complete bull-blam!-. Did you create this thread to receive abuse or are you just stupid?




get a life. and a sense of houmor.

this thearoy is graet and makes sense.

you are just stupid.

  • 07.19.2004 10:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: triggerhappysyco
get a life. and a sense of houmor.
Roger that. Twitch_37 is joking around and being sarcastic. You guys need to calm down

  • 07.19.2004 10:30 AM PDT
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Ok if the grunts are then way dont the upper class(Elites,prophets,even jackals)show them the respect that the show to the actual forerunners

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because they dont know/they dont want to lose thier power by gving it to the grunts and as for the fact that"grunts have themost advanced system on thier back" thats not true ok its not hard to fill upa tank with methain and a little bit of air dont tell me that the methain doesent run out because it does if you read the flood and i did vote for you but im just pontin out some stuff the one with the most advance system is a elite shield own air supply so he can breath/live in space? any one notice that and its true if you read the last book.oh and for the thing ofabout the inteligence it goes :out of 100

grunt.3.1
human.12
elite.11
enginier.15
forerunner.25

now i am going to prve this thiery first the reson i gave forrunner such a "low mark" is because if you have 100 you whould not get involed with physical things because you could do what every you wanted when ever you wanted you could build a computer with a blink of an eye because you understood your body so well you could manipulate it right down the the quark so you could spread out your atoms and walk thour a wall or constuct a hardend skin that whould allow you to stay in space or take some of the iron and such from you body and make a loonie stuff like that.and the reson elites are not smarter than humans is because they did not invent all the technologi it was the enginiers and grunts are not smarter because if they were they whould not alloud them selfs to be such a low class to begin with.i did not show profits because i do not know enufe about them and jackles are anything special and humans are smarter than elite because in the amount of time they have had they have created far more than the convitent race did when they were the same age so maby humans are smart than enginiers eh?

[Edited on 7/19/2004 12:31:50 PM]

  • 07.19.2004 12:21 PM PDT
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nooooo.

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im sry twitch u know some stuff but im still skepticle about grunts being forrunner how could they not win a war against elites if theyed have better weappons and brains it doesnt make sense

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Posted by: triggerhappysyco
Posted by: SPARTAN_3920
Twitch_37, you got some serious issues if you think that Grunts are Forerunner. If they were, how the hell would Bungie explain how they were? Maybe they'd use the same lameass theories as you, but I bet even if it came from them that no-one would believe it.

Listen to what tmone17 is actually saying, the guy makes complete sense. When I read your theories, it reminds me of children trying to explain things, where they just say "because it does".

All your radical thinking blows out all logic thinking.

Halo. It has similar gravity and atmosphere to Earth. Its plantlife is exactly the same as Earths.

Grunts obviously live on a planet with a large methane percentage (enough to sustain their life) because they breathe methane. So when they joined the Covenant, the other species (Phophets, Elites etc.) developed breathing apparatus for the Grunts to use. This would be so that they could use Grunts on other planets that have different atmospheres. It makes more sense to develop and make breathing apparatus for an inferior race and use them to explore rather than sending lots precious Elites out.

The breathing apparatus isn't too technical, it wouldn't even be developed by Grunts. I (and probably everyone else) think that if the Covenant race can adapt and study Forerunner artifacts so they can eventually make floating vehicles and plasma guns, then I think they might be intelligent enough to actually create technology that supplies methane to Grunts.

Basically everything you have said is complete bull-blam!-. Did you create this thread to receive abuse or are you just stupid?


get a life. and a sense of houmor.

this thearoy is graet and makes sense.

you are just stupid.

1. I have a sense of humour (spelt correctly). Its just this theory isn't funny. It would be funnier if we were talking about "If Grunts Ruled the World" (bound to be some crazy ideas from people if that was the topic) not "Grunts are Forrunner". Personally I find Forerunner theories quite dull, I only came on this one because it sounded so radical.

2. Get a dictionary because you can't spell (houmor = humour? thearoy = theory? Apologies if this is because you just typed fast. In that case, slow down).

3. The theory isn't great, it majorly sucks when you compare it to the rock hard ideas (of course none is proved) of Human=Forerunner. Some of the ideas put forwards by twitch are quite wild and many of them are backed up with absolutely no evidence.

4. About the actual theory. The more technology they wear shows how vunerable they are. The fact that they DEPEND on the breathing apparatus shows that they are weak. Yes it shows that they are technologically advanced, but who says they made it? The other races of Covenant could have made the apparatus so they could just Grunts as soldiers.

I admit I was a little harsh before but I am a scientific person and hate people that have no evidence or hard data to back up their theories. You could say Grunts are Forerunner, but you could also Humans are Forerunner (I personally like the idea of Forerunner being a completely different race). Its all speculation at the moment, but speculation can be backed up by quotes (or experiments in a scientific sense). The fact that twitch's theory has no hard evidence (his theories put down Grunts, not make them better) for his ideas is why I came down on him a bit hard.

This is to [color=white] triggerhappysyco. [/color] Why pick on me? (I feel special! lol) I didn't personally do anything to you. Anyway what's with the childish namecalling? Funny thing is, you know f**k all about me, yet you call me stupid. For all you know I maybe a scientist at Harver of Oxford (which I'm not by the way). Try not to judge before you know.

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HAVING A METHAINS BREATHING SYSTEM IS NOT ADVANCED!

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Posted by: bigbluedinosaur
HAVING A METHAINS BREATHING SYSTEM IS NOT ADVANCED!

Lets see YOU make a methane breathing system...

ill tell ya, its hard

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Ok guys dont flame his ideas. I know it may sound stupid to you all but dont ridicule him for it. Just give it some thought if it does sound stupid then state ur opinion and dont come back and argue twenty gazillion times. I think that the theory is a little out there but with alot more info i will consider it .

  • 07.19.2004 8:11 PM PDT
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i completely agree with twitch37 and i think that anyone who has to stoop to the level of insulting a fellow halo forum fan to put them down just to disrepute there theories doesnt know what they are talkin about.

  • 07.19.2004 8:21 PM PDT
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ima put it plain and simple, yur theory was both sucky and retarded

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You are arguing that the grunts cant be the forerunner because of the atmosphere.

The flood are on HALO as well, and they do not breathe oxygen. (proof: 343GS "You come well prepared reclaimer, your environmental suit will come in handy when the flood begin to alter the atmosphere blah blah blah..." or something to that effect.) Only humans and ellites do.

I believe that HALO is a testing ground for what would happen when the flood would be releaseed on Earth, or earthlike planets.

It has been said that they HALO has been activated b4, and that destroyed the queen of the grunts, which acted as a hivemind, and left them as the blundering children that they are now.

343GS said that when the HALO goes off, it would destroy any life taht is advanced enough to serve as food. I dont knwo about u, but i havent seen a grunt getting taken over by a flood as of yet.

I believe that the homeworld that the covennat found was a nursery planet, so they were easy conquering, and thats y they were found in only one place in the galaxy.

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yeah how come you millions of grunts getting eaten by the the little flood but you never see a flood-grunt. the moniter is bad

  • 07.20.2004 6:37 AM PDT
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ok i believe bungie has said that grunts are not forerunner. plus they are refered as the other species meaning NOT FORERUNNER.

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about the flood changing the atmosphere. that means they will deteriorate it so they can get out. Flood dont breath. they are a parasite that live off others. read the books published by BUNGIE.

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Dude, please, grunts are not forerunner, its just an overobseession with the little guy.

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Posted by: bigbluedinosaur
because they dont know/they dont want to lose thier power by gving it to the grunts and as for the fact that"grunts have themost advanced system on thier back" thats not true ok its not hard to fill upa tank with methain and a little bit of air dont tell me that the methain doesent run out because it does if you read the flood and i did vote for you but im just pontin out some stuff the one with the most advance system is a elite shield own air supply so he can breath/live in space? any one notice that and its true if you read the last book.oh and for the thing ofabout the inteligence it goes :out of 100

grunt.3.1
human.12
elite.11
enginier.15
forerunner.25

now i am going to prve this thiery first the reson i gave forrunner such a "low mark" is because if you have 100 you whould not get involed with physical things because you could do what every you wanted when ever you wanted you could build a computer with a blink of an eye because you understood your body so well you could manipulate it right down the the quark so you could spread out your atoms and walk thour a wall or constuct a hardend skin that whould allow you to stay in space or take some of the iron and such from you body and make a loonie stuff like that.and the reson elites are not smarter than humans is because they did not invent all the technologi it was the enginiers and grunts are not smarter because if they were they whould not alloud them selfs to be such a low class to begin with.i did not show profits because i do not know enufe about them and jackles are anything special and humans are smarter than elite because in the amount of time they have had they have created far more than the convitent race did when they were the same age so maby humans are smart than enginiers eh?


No.

I said no. NO.

You are stupid. It won't be possible to manipulate your body like that. You will always need tremendous amounts of energy to change anything at a molecular level. The human body is not capable of making such energy, and we can't just do -blam!- like that. You are a dumbass. We don't exactly know how smart Elites are, but they have got it made for themselves, and they are very effective at battle. Obviously not so much in the game itself, but in the books this is proven many times. Elites are smarter and better then humans. At battle, anyways. We don't know enough about all the other stuff. All that other -blam!- you said has no backup proof or anything. So no.

About the grunt-Forerunner theory, read my post up top. Why would the Forerunner ring have an oxygen-based atmosphere, when grunts breathe methane? Why would they make their own creation unsuitable for life of their own species? Why? And hell, the flood don't play a part in this anywhere. This theory is a complete load of bull-blam!- with no logical backup or evidence whatsoever and the foolish person who made this up was probably desperate for attention, or trying to annoy us and act like a jackass. If you're going to contribute, contribute something useful. And don't give another load of your so-called evidence about this theory. The grunts are stupid, and they didn't have a queen. Seriously. They can't be Forerunner. They are just to stupid. About equivalent to your IQ.

P.S. Grunts HAVE been taken over by the flood. Their bodies are deemed unsuitable for combat, and thus are turned into carrier forms, to harvest more infection forms. MAYBE IT WOULD HELP TO RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MAKE A -blam!- THEORY. It doesn't make sense at all. The flood ARE living on Halo, without any breathing apparatus. So, the atmosphere is suitable for them. It doesn't matter if they would eventually change the atmosphere, that's besides the point.

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Yeah. That's what I thought.

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C'mon, guys. Everybody knows that Grunts are the illegitimate methadone babies of Forerunner teenagers. Not only that, but 343 Guilty Spark was originally designed as a highly advanced upgrade for an ancient Forerunner technology referred to in the Scriptures only as the "Magic 7-Ball." See, the Forerunners wanted their fortune-telling systems to present more in-depth and accurate responses, so they imbued them with artificial intelligence. Some, like 343GS, were also given the capacity to trigger galaxy-crushing superweapons, just in case someone asked a question so stupid that it warranted the extinction of sentient life.

Some 18-year-old Forerunner chick got smashed one night and this Minotaur knocked her up, see, and so she went to 343GS and asked what to name her stunted, mutant child. She was thinking about Soulblighter, or maybe Konoko, but she wasn't sure. 343GS, overcome by the girl's mind-numbing idiocy, snapped on the spot and spent the next ten thousand years on Halo, giggling to himself and playing online poker with Durandal and Enkidu. So when Master Chief showed up, 343GS sensed the pain and agony of the Grunts above the ring, and took it upon himself to telepathically compel Captain Keyes to crash the Pillar Of Autumn on the ring so he might be able to AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

HOW ABOUT THIS, YOU PATHETIC CRETINS?

THE GRUNTS ARE POLYGON MODELS, BUILT IN 3D STUDIO MAX 4.0 AND LOADED INTO THE HALO ENGINE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO SHOOT AT. THEY YELL STUFF TO MAKE YOU LAUGH. THEY ARE NOT FORERUNNERS, NOR ARE THEY EVEN ACTUAL BEINGS. THEY ARE MERE ILLUSIONS CREATED BY AN UNFATHOMABLE BALLET OF BILLIONS OF ONES AND ZEROS, LOVINGLY CHOREOGRAPHED BY A TEAM OF TALENTED ARTISTS WHO WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR WORK APPRECIATED IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT, INSTEAD OF BEING QUESTIONED BY WANNABE PHILOSOPHERS.

/rant

Guys, Halo is a freakin' video game. Do yourselves a favor and enjoy it for what it is, without trying to shoehorn some kind of grand cosmic evolutionary chain into the canon. Jason Jones made this stuff up. End of story. Trust me, I made that mistake once when I tried to compare the Forerunners from Halo to the Pfhor from Marathon. It's pointless. What would you rather do, discuss the meaning of Grunts or shoot at them?

I rest my case. If you really feel like having this kind of discussion, read a little Aldous Huxley or Jean-Paul Sartre and then we'll talk.

[Edited on 7/20/2004 4:39:41 PM]

  • 07.20.2004 10:21 AM PDT
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Okok I got it! If an Elite is on front of the MC and a grunt is behind HIM! Then the grunt is the forerunner to the MC who is the forerunner to the elite! Unless the elite gets sneaky and gets behind the grunt. Then were just screwed. :P Sorry, I coulndt resist. This made about as much sense as monnkeys with machine guns or perhaps a WHITE Sgt Johnson.

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