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Subject: Some advice for Halo MP

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SpunJ wrote: *sigh* triple teamed I believe?
and about the team game, I actually said, if its in a match, where its actually important, then yeah, u want whoever can to score.
But as I also said, in publics, it just doesnt happen, maybe u like to kid urself that u saying "2 go in a hog, me and you go cover the top, and get some ghosts ready at their base" in team talk, is somehow gonna make people do what you say..When it just isnt.

As for the flamewar, I dont want one, I just dont appreciate being patronised, especially by someone who didnt know a simple "trick" (I use trick loosely, because its common knowledge...), as for your more patronising post simon, how the hell long does it take u to scan for an asterisk? it takes a couple of tenths of a second for the board to appear when u press f1, another couple of tenths of a second for you (you used loosely aswell...) to find and asterisk and read the name (assuming one can read), and as soon as u let go of f1 ure in control, regardless of whether the boards fully off ur screen, so, in answer to ur rather lengthy "retort", yes, I am expecting you to press f1 and check whos got the flag whilst ur being attacked, given that it takes about half a second. I dont want to see anyone trying to tell me "oh but half a seconds all it takes for you to be splattered all over the wall" like its some sort of john woo movie, when it blatantly isnt, and when halo is blatantly slower than most of the other fps out there. That doesnt make it the least interesting, not by a long way, but it does mean that ur somewhat safe...oh and, if you wait a second after it says "red team has the flag" then press f1, its still gonna be the same person, because quite frankly, ive never seen people playing flagtag in a public, whilst both attempting to get out with the flag...
Im not trying to flame, im just pointing out, that it isnt very hard to do a lot of things at once, least of all pressing a key on ur keyboard, which ur most likely near if u use wasd instead of the arrows...even then it isnt hard, because i use the arrows, and i can still do it.
Just keep on fooling urselves that the minimal glory u get returning a flag for a bunch of people you dont know is enough to secure ure place in the halo hall of fame *rollseyes*


I'm not looking for a flame war either. We obviously have had different experiences while playing Halo. I've actually found that people do like to act cooperatively in "public" games. Not everyone, not all the time, but they're out there and it's a lot of fun when it happens.

I've never been in a "non-public" game, and probably never will be. Halo is a game, I have my fun and that's it. SpunJ is new around here and I'm fairly new myself. A few weeks ago I was asking about a Halo slang dictionary because I didn't know what TKing was. What is common knowlege to you can be a revelation to someone else.

I'm also confused as to why you'd care more about your stats in a "public" game, where they are not recorded for posterity, but you'd be willing to sacrifice for the team in a "private" game where every point is recorded and tabulated. As I said, I've only been in public games, so maybe I'm missing something.

Also, F1 may be 1/10th of a sec for you, but for someone else, (a left handed, one finger hunt and peck typist like me), it means that I have to take my left hand off the trackball, (meaning I lose the ability to shoot and steer), look down at the keyboard, find and press F1, (it's right next to ESC– don't want to hit that), hold it while I scan the list to see who got the flag, move my hand back to the trackball and continue playing, if I have not been killed.

Besides, what about those times when your team gets the flag and 2 seconds later it's returned, then your team gets it again and it's returned... then they get it again and get away with it? I'd spend my time staring at the keyboard, the score board and respawning.

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Posted by: SimonJester753
I'm not looking for a flame war either. We obviously have had different experiences while playing Halo. I've actually found that people do like to act cooperatively in "public" games. Not everyone, not all the time, but they're out there and it's a lot of fun when it happens.

I've never been in a "non-public" game, and probably never will be. Halo is a game, I have my fun and that's it. SpunJ is new around here and I'm fairly new myself. A few weeks ago I was asking about a Halo slang dictionary because I didn't know what TKing was. What is common knowlege to you can be a revelation to someone else.

I'm also confused as to why you'd care more about your stats in a "public" game, where they are not recorded for posterity, but you'd be willing to sacrifice for the team in a "private" game where every point is recorded and tabulated. As I said, I've only been in public games, so maybe I'm missing something.

Also, F1 may be 1/10th of a sec for you, but for someone else, (a left handed, one finger hunt and peck typist like me), it means that I have to take my left hand off the trackball, (meaning I lose the ability to shoot and steer), look down at the keyboard, find and press F1, (it's right next to ESC– don't want to hit that), hold it while I scan the list to see who got the flag, move my hand back to the trackball and continue playing, if I have not been killed.

Besides, what about those times when your team gets the flag and 2 seconds later it's returned, then your team gets it again and it's returned... then they get it again and get away with it? I'd spend my time staring at the keyboard, the score board and respawning.


I do play cooperatively in publics, I'm not gonna tk people for the flags, or for the sniper rifle like a lot of people do; I let them do their thing, if I can do mine.

Well maybe you should get urself in a clan, and tryout the competitive side, is not all stress, and matches against players of similar abilities to oneself are good fun, and it gets you good.

In an official team game whilst scores are tabulated/recorded, its not a personal glory affair, you're playing for your team, a team of your close friends, you can hear them on teamspeak, and know how they feel when you get slaughtered. You play for the team, because its the team that moves up and down ladders, not the players.
In Publics, its all about the personal glory, you go into a server alone, not knowing anyone, maybe recognising one or two names from other clans, or just randoms uve seen about, and its your chance to strut your stuff as it were, stats in publics are especially important if you're searching for a new clan, as thats pretty much all theyve got to go on.
And to clarify, I do save my good scores on publics for posterity lol.
If you've got it, flaunt it lol
Its fine to expect your team to work with you not against you, and yeah, in a public, if I saw someone from my team in a ghost with the flag gettin chased by another ghost, I'd do my best to help him/her, But I wouldnt make it a priority to try and command a leader-like role, or tell people when to push up or anything, in fact, I dont see that at all in publics...If you get in the gunner of a hog, with another driver...you have no clue where there gonna go, you dont start typing to them "go this way" or whatever, because you'd just get the both of you killed, so you let him do his own thing, and you do your own thing, shooting the people trying to flip the hog...as much as people like to play the hero lol "I was saving the driver" LOL nah, survival instinct, you were saving yourself...you play for yourself, and not for a bunch of people your not likely to get to know any better.

The typing thing; Can't help you there, just practice (and lol, dont blame the fact that ur left handed, if you use the mouse with the left hand, presumably its on the left of the keyboard, and you use the w,a,s and d for movement because its easiest, well, F1 is on the left of the keyboard too...)

and for the flag getting returned, well, "red team has the flag" *looks at table* "blue team flag returned" *doesnt look* "red team has the flag" *looks* "returned" *doesnt*...not that much of a problem lol, and if ur getting attacked, then obviously dont make it a priority...
One thing did just cross my mind...its never actually mattered to me who gets the flag...because im not at my base for more than like 10 seconds before I'm well away...I dont like camping our base (even in matches), defending or not...its boring lol, you have to find an enemy or the games not worth playing ^_^

  • 05.26.2005 2:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr B
Just a question. Are you one of those idiots that tks because someone (rightly) scored with the flag you brought back to base and lost?

Many ways of looking at this. First, lets assume its a public one, cos I play on those.

So you say the flag carrier should get to score even if he dies?

What possible reason why? They lost the right to score when they died. I certainly dont expect to have the flag held for me while I respawn. For the person that got it, good job, they saved it.

And as for playing slayer in CTF....lame. Sorry, I know its a bit strong, but come on? Whats the point? Most, if not all the others are playing a different game...ctf. Wheres the pride in getting the most kills when no-one else was trying for that?

Reason I play Ctf, is for either having people help me when I got the flag, or helpig them. I think thats cool. Being a stat whore...boring for me. Quite often, I get most kills in CTF games, but only cos I go on one man assults to the enemy base, and Im a decent player. Im not boasting tho. Stick me on a clan server with clan guys playing, and Im equal.

Its honestly my expirence that the ones that play slayer in CTF games are too scared to play slayer, as they wont get as high a score. I say that without intent to offend, its just what I have found from playing halo ever since it came out.

I dont think anyone does it for 'the hall of fame' (where is it btw), its more of a 'fun' thing. Thats why people play team games like CTF. Im not being sarky, just saying it as is.


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I wouldnt tk for the flag. nuff said. And I'm shocked that anyone considering themselves a decent player would not be angry at someone stealing a flag that you did all the work for, just because they died and got a lucky spawn with it in their hands...."save the flag, score one for the team" yeah mate, come out of the cinema screen and into the real world, in a public, playing "as a team" is completely irrational; in order to be playing as a team, you'd have to have constant information relays throughout the game, on enemy positions, and when its safe to go into the base etc...and on a public, what have u got? team chat? not really gonna work when all of both teams stop to say "guy on the ridge"...
I'm not saying that playing as a team is a bad thing, or that playing the lone wolf is the way to go...But its naive to assume that everyone thinks like you, (a prime example is me rofl)
and in all fairness, if a good halo player goes into a CTF server, and concentrated on capping instead of just playing, then the match would be over far too quick, particularly in a lot of the servers with a 3 cap limit O_o
I dont go in thinking "Right, I cannot touch the flag, omg flag cooties", in fact, I go for the flag
the fact of the matter is, you have to kill people to get there..."yeah but u dont have to kill so many"...whats wrong with securing your escape? if everyone is on the countdown screen, u'll be well away before they even know whats hit them,...
oh and "having people help me when I got the flag, or helpig them" oh wait, you mean slayers? as in, people who kill the people who are after you? yeah thought so...

It doesnt offend me that u think that about slayers lol, cos I play slayer too hehe ^_^ dont play race tho...what a load of... lol ^_^

and as for "where's the pride when noone else is trying?" I have no idea what ure tryin to say..so, people see CTF, and turn off their ability to aim, and turn on their ability to pick up flags? No, and lol, there's a lot of people who play CTF as slayer, which means you often get groups facing each other, so you do actually get quite a lot of people who are trying, and few who fly in on a ghost *yoink* the flag and bail

  • 05.26.2005 2:38 AM PDT
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oh an if you want some advice for halo MP, in a match on danger canyon, if one person gets the flag, runs into tunnels, you can have someone waiting on your ledge in the middle room, and you can throw the flag up for them to score, saves runnin round everywhere.

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Its the slayers who cover the cappers. The fun is in the playing, not necessarily the team playing...is not fun gettin -blam!-ed at by some bighead tryin to give orders to people he doesnt know...I'll expect support, and I'll give support, whether they ask or not, but when u give support and they accuse u of kill stealing, they can do it alone next time...

  • 05.26.2005 6:34 AM PDT

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And ffs, dont -blam!- dare take a condescending tone with me, when you dont even know the fundamentals of the game; How do you know for sure? I can tell you how you know for definite two ways actually.
Method 1, the nub method: go up to them, their name appears
Method 2, the "doesnt take a genius to see" method: press f1 so the scoreboard comes up, if anyones got a * next to their name, theyve got the flag.
THAT'S how you know, you patronising little idiot.


That was a flame...at the very least rude and unprovoked

As for the flamewar, I dont want one,

The first quote was indeed both the accelerant and the spark.

I was not complaining about slayers in CTF, just ones who forget that there is a flag and that the objective is to capture it.

They switch to the red team if they are blue grab a clip go thru the portal and strafe back and forth on the hill attacking blues on and around their base. They are good and get a lot of kills and when they die they say they are out of ammo. At the end of the game they are on the losing team and crow "Most killz, most skillz", to which I reply "too bad it was CTF, you still lose."

So you play CTF-as-Slayer because you're afraid someone might sneak up behind you? BOOO!

ROFLMAO

In Publics, its all about the personal glory, you go into a server alone, not knowing anyone, maybe recognising one or two names from other clans, or just randoms uve seen about, and its your chance to strut your stuff as it were, stats in publics are especially important if you're searching for a new clan, as thats pretty much all theyve got to go on.
And to clarify, I do save my good scores on publics for posterity lol.
If you've got it, flaunt it lol


With this attitude, I don't really expect you to be that gracious if you find the flag at your feet near the base, after all its all about the glory.




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No one ever teams play anymore everyone is out to be the hero not the team player i hate that. What ever happen to working as a team and coraprting. Every just goes out and does what they want. What would help teamwork would be if halo had a in game teamspeak thing that would be cool.

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On the Flame: Yeah it was, I already had this discussion with someone else, and I'm sorry to SimonJester but he patronised me :P

On the "I don't want a flamewar": firstly, I dont. Whether mine was the accelerant or not.
Secondly, quote is a verb, quotation is a noun.

On the third quotation: fair point, people who just -blam!- the base without capping, thats lame. People who -blam!- the base when there's no flag..what are they supposed to do? Stop playing till the flag is returned?
As for the rash generalisation that people who play slayer in CTF switch to red....on BG, blue is the better side :P LOL tbh, maps like gephy, DC, Inifinity and Death Island...there isnt a significant difference. Sidewinder, ure at a definite advantage on red if you're a sniper..but I still wouldnt switch just for that..where would you get practice if you always went on the favoured side :P

Tbh, I'm fed up of jus being attacked because I kill people lol (in the real world, i'd salute u ;)) so I'm just gonna leave this topic...you play it your way, i'll play it mine, if you dont like it, leave lol

  • 05.26.2005 10:42 AM PDT
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*sigh*

Cmon, people. Lets just leave that topic alone. Im sick of wading through post after post that turns out, disappointingly, to be YET ANOTHER FLAME . Just drop the topic. And move on back to giving advice for Halo MP instead of flaming the -blam- out of each other.

Like SLD said, flamewars leave everyone cranky and exhausted.

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I pity da' fools that keep on flaming.

  • 05.27.2005 9:26 PM PDT

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Thanks for the info on how the clan thing works. For now I'm happy in public games. But that may change– there's only so much Blood Gulch you can take. When you join a clan, do you have to commit to a schedule? How much time are we talking about?

I don't think team speak works with Macs if I recall. It's a great idea, though. The only downside I can see is if you find out an 11 year old has been ass-raping your corpse. That would be weird. Michael Jackson weird.

I don't use w,a,s,d for movement, I use the arrow keys for front, back, left and right. Scope zoom is "end" and I toss 'nades with the 0 key on the number key pad. Tabs for switching weapons and I can hit it with my thumb without taking my hand off the trackball. "E" is for reloading, (usually I wait for the gun to reload after clicking the trigger a few times), and entering vehicles.

It's weird, F1 on my work keyboard has a big space between it and "ESC", but on my home keyboard, they're right up next to each other.

I'm still playing around with keyboard setup– in the Mac version, you can only use the "Control" and Option" keys as mouse click modifiers. Clicking them by themselves will not do anything. Maybe in the next version they come out with they'll fix it.

I agree about not sticking around home base. The best teams I've seen make it their business to live, (and kill), at their enemies base.

  • 05.27.2005 9:31 PM PDT

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I don't use wasd either I'm more comfortable with the arrow keys. If the w was directly over the s, I would be fine but it is offset and throws me off.

Back on topic, MP tips, when making a flag run don't kill anyone(unless you have to) on the way to the flag, they will only spawn at your destination 5sec later and you will have to contend with them again. On the way back it's open season.

I shouldn't give this one away because it's 80% -90% effective. While the enemy is distracted you can drive a hog and park in a darkened area next to their base, and sit their until it is clear. I have sat undetected for almost 5min waiting for the base to clear! Prime spots are the shaded side of BG, just outside the base entrances on Sidewinder, tucked in close to the base in Danger Canyon, underneath the base overhang in Infinity, under the trees near the base in Timberland.

Don't just grab the flag and try and escape with it. If you know there is someone nearby, take care of the threat then grab the flag. Or grab the flag and then put it down and wait for the unsuspecting fool to enter the base and give him an faceful of buckshot. Pay attention to who is getting killed that way you know if somebody is going to spawn while you are trying to get away with the flag.

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Erm, well, it sort of depends what clan you join really simon; I mean, matches on clanbase at least, last approx 40-60 mins, an dependin on the clan, you might have one a week, or even like 12 lol and you may have to train with your new clan too...

good tactics iggl, you should also try and master (especially in sidewinder) the quick grab, get on a ghost, and press action quickly twice, ull see masterchief put one foot out the ghost and get straight back in. Then, try and master the 180, practice in ur own base, drive from one end, to the flag end, pull a 180 as u get into the flag area, so ure ready to fly straight out again...Then combine the two, so you fly in, 180, as you turn sideways over the flag, you quickly get in and out to get it, and fly out again, in under 10 seconds not bad not bad ;)

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