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Subject: Should Bungie Keep The Assault-Rifle?

Yes. Assault rifle features a lot in the books, so if it turns out that this is based on Fall of Reach, then it almost definatly will. Maybe put in more than one, like the cut down varient. Even if it does the same thing, just cause it'd look great.

  • 07.03.2009 7:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec-> I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow
30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill-> Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too
as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)-> people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)
2x scopeA gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?


Responses are in bold.

[Edited on 07.03.2009 7:56 AM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 7:53 AM PDT

"If buttered toast lands buttered side down, and cats always land on their feet, then what happens when you attach buttered toast to the back of a cat?

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec-> I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow

30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill-> Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too

as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)-> people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)

2x scope-> A gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?


Responses are in bold.

Sorry for the double post :/


[Edited on 07.03.2009 7:57 AM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 7:55 AM PDT

mortel mort

Posted by: Council Elite 12
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec
30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill
as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)
2x scope


Hmmm, I'm thinking more like 50 rounds per magazine, with more like 40 body shots and 15 headshots, and those adjusters for number of rounds per shot is really not needed, and it shouldn't even be that accurate.

actually it could be because a m16 is actually that accurate i should know i own one

  • 07.03.2009 7:57 AM PDT

mortel mort

Posted by: rockmaster
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec-> I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow

30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill-> Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too


as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)-> people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)

2x scope-> A gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?


Responses are in bold.

Sorry for the double post :/

Ur wrong people actually do in fact burst fire it i do it all the time and ive beaten people with brs and plus it would give you more variety for the way you play so you wouldn't have to swap wepons all the time when you could hit a d-pad button and chage your fighting style on the go

  • 07.03.2009 8:02 AM PDT

the AR is too powerful and you dont need to have any skill to use it just shoot and melee this gun creates noobs. if there was none noobs would be forced to use the BR and get good making halo a better game. if its added to reach it should have reduced power


[Edited on 07.03.2009 8:05 AM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 8:04 AM PDT

The original BADFINGER! (the second)

The Rifle stays as it is the Iconic Halo Weapon if any goes it would be the BR, but since they concreted it in, in Contact Harvest (same as the SMG), All the weapons will remain the same.

The fact that they are actually having to change the weapons EVERY game is just not fair too them, since you girls b*tch about every little thing they go and change. HARDEN UP PRINCESS!

BUNGIE leave the weapons as is, they are balanced to perfection IMO

Doesnt matter what they do people will always be unhappy with something, i love the Assault Rifle in multiplayer its my weapon of preference and it works f***ing beautifully. Dont say noob because your the ones dying by it..... not me.

  • 07.03.2009 8:12 AM PDT

"If buttered toast lands buttered side down, and cats always land on their feet, then what happens when you attach buttered toast to the back of a cat?

Posted by: rikushirran
Posted by: rockmaster
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec-> I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow

30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill-> Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too


as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)-> people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)

2x scope-> A gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?


Responses are in bold.

Sorry for the double post :/

Ur wrong people actually do in fact burst fire it i do it all the time and ive beaten people with brs and plus it would give you more variety for the way you play so you wouldn't have to swap wepons all the time when you could hit a d-pad button and chage your fighting style on the go
If you are going to post, try using your words and make complete sentences, not run-ons. You've beaten people with BRs because you entered an area where the AR is more effective than the BR, the AR has it's niche as a short-medium range weapon used to suppress from afar then move in closer to kill. The BR has it's niche as a medium-long range gun to single out one person from a group and kill them then move on. Modern equivalents could be an M16 with a heavy steel barrel for the BR and a M4, or even a M249 in some cases. Combining the two would make an overpowered go to weapon, like the Halo 2 BR, or a gun too complicated to use in a firefight. Just imagine having to switch between 3 modes of fire to get it on the setting you want, while the other guy is just draining your shields, or press Y and fight back.

tl;dr The BR and AR have their respective niches, and combining them would make a gun too complicated to use, or an either overpowered go to gun, or an underpowered gun that's cool to use, but not effective.

[Edited on 07.03.2009 8:15 AM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 8:12 AM PDT

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  • 07.03.2009 8:15 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I greatly miss the Halo 1 assault rifle. Deadly at closer ranges when using full auto, but it really shined at a distance with burst-firing. Halo 3's assault rifle can be burst-fired, but this doesn't increase the accuracy of the weapon... you just fire less bullets. In Halo 3, you might as well go full auto all the time with that weapon.

Remember getting pinged by the Flood with assault rifles from far distances in Halo 1? Well you could do that too, only you could aim better than they could. This is what an assault rifle should be. If the clip needs to be lowered form 60 again, then so beat it.

Or maybe we should be seeing the MA5K from Ghosts of Onyx?. That might be neat.

  • 07.03.2009 8:17 AM PDT

Reach: 2010

Why does a man climb a mountain? Because it is there..

Posted by: JETST0RM
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Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Yes. It's too iconic to remove.


I have to agree with this.

  • 07.03.2009 8:32 AM PDT

mortel mort

Posted by: rockmaster
Posted by: rikushirran
Posted by: rockmaster
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec-> I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow

30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill-> Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too


as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)-> people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)

2x scope-> A gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?


Responses are in bold.

Sorry for the double post :/

Ur wrong people actually do in fact burst fire it i do it all the time and ive beaten people with brs and plus it would give you more variety for the way you play so you wouldn't have to swap wepons all the time when you could hit a d-pad button and chage your fighting style on the go
If you are going to post, try using your words and make complete sentences, not run-ons. You've beaten people with BRs because you entered an area where the AR is more effective than the BR, the AR has it's niche as a short-medium range weapon used to suppress from afar then move in closer to kill. The BR has it's niche as a medium-long range gun to single out one person from a group and kill them then move on. Modern equivalents could be an M16 with a heavy steel barrel for the BR and a M4, or even a M249 in some cases. Combining the two would make an overpowered go to weapon, like the Halo 2 BR, or a gun too complicated to use in a firefight. Just imagine having to switch between 3 modes of fire to get it on the setting you want, while the other guy is just draining your shields, or press Y and fight back.

tl;dr The BR and AR have their respective niches, and combining them would make a gun too complicated to use, or an either overpowered go to gun, or an underpowered gun that's cool to use, but not effective.

for one ill talk how i feel and i mean like hit down for burst right for single and left for for auto since no one ever really uses them and no actually i use it in gametypes that the br is suppose to be the best and i use it at long range with much more lethal bursts

  • 07.03.2009 8:34 AM PDT

If the game is a prequel like everyone thinks it almost is guaranteed to be in Halo: Reach. In all the early books the main weapon it talks about is the M5AB assault rifle (from Halo 1)

  • 07.03.2009 8:55 AM PDT

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  • 07.03.2009 9:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
10 rounds/sec
30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill
as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)
2x scope


1 second kills on headshots and 30 of 45 rounds for a kill?
Yes. This way it would kill about as fast as the H1/H3 AR on bodyshots, but more skilled players could go for headshots and out-AR somebody (which you really can't do in H3 since there's no point to accuracy with the AR, there is no headshot bonus).

  • 07.03.2009 10:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: rockmaster10 rounds/sec I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow You're right, I'll up it to 15 rounds/sec like the H1 AR.


30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too You're right... maybe 20 bodyshots or 10 headshots?

as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto) people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)Well I think that the AR needs to be more accurate, because in H1 and H3 its only worth using at close range. It wouldnt be headshot capable so the Pistol/BR would still make a return =)

2x scopeA gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?Well a BR-type weapon (hopefully single shot, maybe the M6D) should return as well, the scope is just to make the weapon more versatile. Both could have a scope (like how the SMG and Magnum have a scope in ODST)... the AR would not be headshot capable and would kill slower than the BR, but with a scope, the AR could actually make a decent spawn weapon since it would be operational at midrange (though I would still prefer to spawn with a BR or Pistol).


Just to clarify, there would not be firing modes on this, you tap the button lightly to fire a single shot (like in H1/H3 ARs) you pulse the trigger to get a small burst of bullets (2-5) which would be more accurate than full auto, but less accurate than single shot. Or you could hold the trigger down and go full auto, in which case the AR would only work at close range, like in H1/H3.

[Edited on 07.03.2009 10:39 AM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 10:34 AM PDT

mortel mort

ya but it would be more effective just to hit a button and change fireing mode

  • 07.03.2009 2:32 PM PDT
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No scopes we need to have some guns in Reach that dont have scopes!

  • 07.03.2009 3:35 PM PDT
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No.

The AR HAS to be in the game...

"It's the signature Halo cannon" Quoted from....an employee whose name I forget.

  • 07.03.2009 3:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
15 rounds/sec
20 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill
as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)
2x scope

*Super Facepalm*

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Posted by: Deidg Nactal
It's a tough question. The real question is should bungie bring back the emphasis on dual weilding? If they make the SMG a little more accurate, you wouldn't need the AR. Don't get me wrong, i love it. The problem is with an AR and a BR the rest of the weapons on the map become useless. I mean sure you'll pick up a sword or sniper, but most of the Dual Weilding weapons are left hanging. The only dual weapon that anyone ever really picks up anymore is the Mauler, and they usually just carry one. If it would mean SMG starts, yes, i would say get rid of the AR. If the SMG would get a slight buff, i'd say hell yeah.
i agree just buff up the SMG and dump the AR the AR has alwas been one of my favorites but come on the SMG buffed up would be better and more usefull

  • 07.03.2009 4:21 PM PDT

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it'd almost be like making star wars without lightsabers lol. they should tweak it but it really has to be in

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Yes, but not the non-versatile "noob" version in Halo 1 and 3. Give it depth this time.

45 rounds/magazine
15 rounds/sec
20 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill
as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto)
2x scope

*Super Facepalm*
What?

  • 07.03.2009 5:45 PM PDT

Well i think that it is a useful weapon, because if used cleverly with grenades you can take out a guy in a quarter of a clip, and its easier to use than the BR which requires consecutive headshots to kill, and can be difficult.

  • 07.03.2009 5:49 PM PDT

"If buttered toast lands buttered side down, and cats always land on their feet, then what happens when you attach buttered toast to the back of a cat?

Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Posted by: rockmaster10 rounds/sec I play paintball, and with the ROF limit at 10 bps in most tourneys, I can tell from experience that 10 Hz is EXTREMELY slow You're right, I'll up it to 15 rounds/sec like the H1 AR.


30 bodyshots/10 headshots to kill Bungie tries to make their guns be able to kill 2 people with one clip, and as you say in your next line, a gun as inaccurate as the H1 AR in full auto with only 45 rounds and 30 body shots will break the 2 kill per clip rule, and 10 headshots would be near impossible without draining the clip too You're right... maybe 20 bodyshots or 10 headshots?

as accurate as H2 BR (single shot), as accurate as H3 BR (pulsed), as accurate as H1 AR (full auto) people would not single shot or pulse the AR for headshots, after all that's what the halo 1 pistol is for in your idea, right? ;)Well I think that the AR needs to be more accurate, because in H1 and H3 its only worth using at close range. It wouldnt be headshot capable so the Pistol/BR would still make a return =)

2x scopeA gun as accurate as the BR when in single shot or pulsed, with a 2x scope? Why not just keep the BR and make things less complicated?Well a BR-type weapon (hopefully single shot, maybe the M6D) should return as well, the scope is just to make the weapon more versatile. Both could have a scope (like how the SMG and Magnum have a scope in ODST)... the AR would not be headshot capable and would kill slower than the BR, but with a scope, the AR could actually make a decent spawn weapon since it would be operational at midrange (though I would still prefer to spawn with a BR or Pistol).


Just to clarify, there would not be firing modes on this, you tap the button lightly to fire a single shot (like in H1/H3 ARs) you pulse the trigger to get a small burst of bullets (2-5) which would be more accurate than full auto, but less accurate than single shot. Or you could hold the trigger down and go full auto, in which case the AR would only work at close range, like in H1/H3.
You just want the Assault Rifle to be something it is not. You do know the difference between a real life Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle right? They fit their niches as they should. There is no single perfect gun that fits all roles and performs well. The whole reason assault rifles were developed is because engagements were being held at closer range, so a weapon more powerful than an SMG but with the range of a traditional rifle was sought. The Halo 3 AR handles that role quite well. In fact, the gun isn't the problem, it's the range the battles are conducted at I believe is the problem. Looking at it now, the most battles I've fought in Halo have been at a medium range where the AR is starting to limit its effectiveness and the BR comes more into play. If anything, don't adjust the AR's clip, just tighten it and the BR's grouping, and increase their range a tad. That way they are more suited for their roles without completely butchering them and resurrecting a God pistol.

The weapons are fine, but with a little more range to the AR, BR, and maybe even the pistol (just no scope on the pistol or AR) they can be more suited to perform in their respective roles.

  • 07.03.2009 6:35 PM PDT

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