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Subject: quit using halopedia as a source

ityler

dude i told you that i dont have the source. somebody else posted it
what are PMs?

  • 07.03.2009 3:46 PM PDT
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Then based on what I know the books are fully involved in the storyline.

  • 07.03.2009 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
ZYPHER, I think you should stop typing right now. You've contradicted yourself, and that has caused you to lose all credibility, and the grammar definitely doesn't help us understand you. So let me take over.


What I think the OP is trying to say, is this:

Make sure your argument has credible evidence, with a confirmed Canon source, or you will get flamed.

kthxbai


Well, I hope somebody will at least listen to this.

  • 07.03.2009 3:55 PM PDT
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No.

Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK

what are PMs?


Woop!

There goes your argument!

  • 07.03.2009 4:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: rikushirran
90% of it is creditable


yeah, okay, but what is a "creditable"? like a credible table?

And this thread is built on ignorance and misunderstanding. Please! Moderators! Lock this before more stupid escapes!

[Edited on 07.03.2009 4:10 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 4:07 PM PDT
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I do not appreciate B.Net Group solicitation. If you ignore this and send me an invitation anyway, I will block communications with you.

Halopedia is a good place for people to go to learn about Halo.

Halopedia is not a good place for people to cite information for argumentative use. If you are creating a theory or are trying to formulate a counterargument against one, you are expected to have direct citations to pieces of Halo canon, because oftentimes, Halopedia misleads its readers with a lot of speculation as well, however, that it likes to assert as factual.

Because it is a user-run website, it is bad judgment to think it as the "go-to place" to settle dispute about details of the Halo universe. The "go-to place" are the novels, the games, the comics, graphic novels, and any other piece of official halo canon. Not write-ups on a user-run website.

  • 07.03.2009 4:10 PM PDT

Halo.wikia.com is a reliable source. The OP has no idea what the hell he is talking about and is probably under the age of 13. Case closed.
Edit: In response to Dream:
Yes, Halo.wikia does post some non confirmed info. There are some things (like the ODST achievements) that are not confirmed, but for the most part (more like 95%) it's a reliable site that can give you clear and precise info on the Halo Universe.
Yeah, for clear and precise stuff sometimes it's not totally confirmed however...

[Edited on 07.03.2009 4:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 4:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Upsilon 08
Edit: In response to Dream:
Yes, Halo.wikia does post some non confirmed info. There are some things (like the ODST achievements) that are not confirmed, but for the most part (more like 95%) it's a reliable site that can give you clear and precise info on the Halo Universe.

A good example of why Halopedia shouldn't be used as a citation for argument are the pages on S-259 and S-320. If you check their histories, you will see that people have been constantly changing their status on what "Class" these Spartans are from, meaning whether they were in the same class as Master Chief or if they were in a subsequent class.

The simple fact that there is no current answer to that question misleads people to believe certain things that simply are not true, and it is unfortunate, but a lot of people use those misconceptions to back up their theories, rather than using direct information from true Halo content.

Yes, the majority is very explicitly, accurately transferred from the novels, but it is just much, much more convenient, for the sake of preventing disputes, to cite the novels or games or what have you directly.

  • 07.03.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Yeah, sorry about that Dream, didn't really get the words written out the way they were arranged in my head... I do agree with you, they should leave non confirmed stuff alone until it's confirmed (if ever).

[Edited on 07.03.2009 4:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 4:21 PM PDT

People who claim "Wikis" aren't a credible source let their highschool teachers influence them too much.

Just about everything on a Wiki is backed up by a link at the end of a topic to the source material, which leads back to some credible place, which you can go check yourself if you like.

So no, you shouldn't directly quote the Wiki, but you can find source information using it.

Yes, people can change whatever, but that doesn't mean people are sitting there all day writing out how George Washington was a -blam!- robot, and there are moderators on the sites for a reason.


[Edited on 07.03.2009 4:30 PM PDT]

  • 07.03.2009 4:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
ZYPHER, I think you should stop typing right now. You've contradicted yourself, and that has caused you to lose all credibility, and the grammar definitely doesn't help us understand you. So let me take over.


What I think the OP is trying to say, is this:

Make sure your argument has credible evidence, with a confirmed Canon source, or you will get flamed.

kthxbai


Well, I hope somebody will at least listen to this.
Here, not bloody likely.

  • 07.03.2009 4:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
A lot of it is credible, but a lot is not and is just incorrect conjecture (such as calling Sam the tallest Spartan, or Fred a knife expert) which leads to stupid threads in these forums such as 'look i see nife that must be sparten-2 FREDRICO!'

but the books do say that fred is a knife specialist (i literally just read that part in the first strike) and sam is the tallest spartan

  • 07.03.2009 4:47 PM PDT

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He's right I wrote an article or two for them and i've never read the books and barely play the game.

  • 07.03.2009 4:49 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

The Wiki is good for getting the grind of an argument, not for arguing. On info with links, check the links and make sure all is well. Saying that the site is 100 % unreliable is not true. I usually use the site to check things like Mendicant Bias and other items that are harder to find the direct source of.

  • 07.03.2009 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
A lot of it is credible, but a lot is not and is just incorrect conjecture (such as calling Sam the tallest Spartan, or Fred a knife expert) which leads to stupid threads in these forums such as 'look i see nife that must be sparten-2 FREDRICO!'

but the books do say that fred is a knife specialist (i literally just read that part in the first strike) and sam is the tallest spartan
Rwad that part again, they never say Fred has a speciality in knives. Also, they never say Sam is the tallest, just that he is a head taller than John.

  • 07.03.2009 5:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Moderators on Halopedia have an "undo" button which completely undoes any edits by a selected user.

For example, I could go delete the entire Halo 3 page, and then within about 2 - 3 minutes the entire thing would be back.

  • 07.03.2009 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
its not credible. shut up


Are you serious do you believe Wikipedia isn't credible? They log everyone who edits and the edits aren't put in immediately unless you're a member. The edits only show for you. So shut up dude.

  • 07.03.2009 7:12 PM PDT

I don't join any group that spams me in PM so don't try it.
SPAM applies to anything that is copy and pasted, it is very obvious when you do so don't say you wrote it. Also if you argue with me on the nature of things contained in this signature, you will be blocked and never removed. If you send to me in XBox live you will be Avoided, Blocked, and a complaint will be filed for harassment.

Posted by: ZYPHER8 Iz BaK
people can go in there and type random crap

So you check the place called "Sources" at the bottom. Knowing you wikis 101

  • 07.03.2009 7:15 PM PDT

ityler

yah they have moderators for halopedia. but its not like they are vip. they dont all get special info straight from bungie. sure some bungie members check it but its not like moderators know a ton that we dontt

  • 07.03.2009 8:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Striped Dragon
Actually it is pretty credible for the most part.

EDIT: shut up

  • 07.03.2009 8:27 PM PDT

It sounds like the Halowiki is not a credible source. To have a credible source, it does need to be a source that is represented entirely flawlessly. Yes, a single bad egg in a batch means you do have to throw them all out, in this case. Because with these eggs, you have no reason to believe that the other eggs aren't bad unless you dissect them and look through meticulously. That's a bad source.

The topic poster is right for the wrong reasons. Would you say that makes him the protagonist of this little story?

  • 07.03.2009 9:20 PM PDT

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It sounds like the Halowiki is not a credible source. To have a credible source, it does need to be a source that is represented entirely flawlessly.
Nope.

To be credible you only have to be correct most of the time. You can have a credible source of information within any industry that is wrong some of the time. If they're correct most of the time they have still have provided reasonalbe grounds to be believed when information is provided. Wikis are "credible" because, although they may get some things wrong, the information is based on reasearch that's as good or better than any you're likely to see behind the theories around here. So theories formed based on information from Halo wikis are 'at least' as credible as any other theories being presented.

It's always best to validate your theories with your own research but discounting the information in the wikis, out of hand, is ridiculous.

  • 07.03.2009 9:33 PM PDT

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