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Subject: 100% Human vs Covenant and Game Ideas
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if you go this way, then what about H2? elites and humans aren't allied yet, and yet you can play as both (in both mp and sp).
mp is not canonically accurate anyway (MC is the last surviving spartan, and yet there are hundreds of thousands spartans playing ...)
and yea, sorry for my aggressive behavior XD
but as said, in sp, you could have two campaigns that'd depict the same events from 2 perspectives. it wouldn't hurt, would it? it'd please (me) people that loved playing as a covenant in H2, and rednecks that think halo is a really cool guy.


Bungie can do whatever they choose to in campaign. To continue with this tiresome explanation of my original logic, at the end of Halo 2 the alliance between the Elites and the Humans is formed. If you played the campaign them moved on to the multiplayer then it actually made a lot of sense why they were in there. Based on what I've read here, there would be a lot of backlash if the MP lost Elites and that is why I suggested altering the model so that they would have the same hit boxes as the Spartans.

bungie also admitted that "elites are a favourite of players'". so elites won't be removed. it'd be a step backwards when you think of it, a feature that's been in 2 games and not the sequel.
altering the model would be difficult, afaik, both models have the same hitbox (unlike H2), the head is just placed differently (because of the elite anatomy).

  • 07.06.2009 6:45 AM PDT

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Is it Canon for Spartans to kill each other constantly in MP?No.
Would it be Canon for Elites and Spartans to kill each other constantly in MP? No.

My point is no matter what you do, MP is never Canon, the locations ARE (at least from Halo 2 on) But the fights are NOT. And the Player models don't need to be Canon either.

The reason the Elites were added to MP was not because of the alliance, it was because of all the people from Halo CE who said "Hey, Bungie, I noticed that the Elites are basically the exact same as Spartans, so why not let us be them in MP too?"

Bungie listened, and Bungie gave, and because at the time there was noone who disagreed (as that was before anyone had a chance to experience being one) they went ahead.

Now that there are two obviously high population sides, arguing opposite sides, one who wants a change, and one who does not, Bungie is unlikely to actually change. Especially a change that involves removing something that some players value about Halo.

[Edited on 07.06.2009 7:57 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2009 7:56 AM PDT
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The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

"-Take out Elites (it was a fun idea, but it changed gameplay somewhat and certain characters have advantages over others. The Arbiter is no ally to the UNSC during Reach, so they shouldn't be there anyway)" FAIL, that won't happen and besides, Elites rock.

  • 07.06.2009 8:40 AM PDT
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Master Megatron,

Thank you for actually talking about the OTHER points I made. I conceded on the Elite thing because people bit my head off.

As for the Project Natal face overlay thing, I was just throwing it out there. I agree that it wouldn't make the most sense, but a lot of what they say you can do with it doesn't make sense to me anyway.

I would tend not to agree with you on deployable overshield unless they made it instant instead of the couple second gap of invulnerability that you have now being deployable on command.

BTW, I'm not even going to respond to people saying that 'elites rock' 'elites aren't going anywhere' and 'you are fail for saying that elites suck'. I've responded enough. The thread can die for all I care if all you want is a stroking of your e-peen.

[Edited on 07.06.2009 8:47 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2009 8:43 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Well, yeah, when idiots put it that way, but what I am saying, is that features being removed should not ever happen, to any game, ever.

  • 07.06.2009 8:54 AM PDT

I don't really like the elites but i think they should stay in. Also i think the face thing is stupid, a badass spartan helmet is way cooler than ur face on a spartan.

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
Well, yeah, when idiots put it that way, but what I am saying, is that features being removed should not ever happen, to any game, ever.


Health was removed and apparently it was celebrated by at least the 10% of the community that spams everywhere that it should never come back...

  • 07.06.2009 8:56 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Health needs to return though, it was great. When Halo was the first game to feature regenerating AND diminishing health at the same time? It needs to come back.

Along with mp features like picking ANY starting weapon. Setting the game so only a certain amount of people in the game can actually play (the others wait to respawn, like a tournaments style, you could do it in Halo 2, but in 3 they took it out.)

Alot of features that were removed are missed by far more people than those who don't care.

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  • 07.06.2009 8:57 AM PDT
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agreed. odd man out made me lol so hard

  • 07.06.2009 9:01 AM PDT

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