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Subject: Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT Reach/Onyx/Marathon
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But aren't the Precursors all but extinct having passed down the Mantle to the Forerunners?

  • 07.04.2009 12:12 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Yes but we dont know how they vanished. They may just reside in the Rainbow Worlds or they may have been eradicated.

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All I know is that if it's just an autistic boy playing with a snowglobe again I'm gonna be pissed...

I like the idea of Bias being the reason why they got there, but my question would be how. I mean I don't understand how it would be in control of the portal in the first place, much less how it would know whether Chief and Cortana were on the back half of the ship or not to redirect them somewhere else. And we don't really know how much time takes place between the 2 parts of the cutscene, so for all we know we could be looking at an empty ship, or half of one.

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Rainbow Worlds? I am unfamiliar with this term.

  • 07.04.2009 12:33 PM PDT

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Bias controls the Installations he is present on, when he fragmented in the final battle he was sent to many random locations where he had some control.
He doesn't need to send the Arbiter to the Rainbow World as he is not a Reclaimer, so he allows Thel to go home.

Read the Terminals for elusive info on the Rainbow Worlds.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Bias controls the Installations he is present on, when he fragmented in the final battle he was sent to many random locations where he had some control.
He doesn't need to send the Arbiter to the Rainbow World as he is not a Reclaimer, so he allows Thel to go home.

Read the Terminals for elusive info on the Rainbow Worlds.


But how does he know that Chief isn't in the front with Arbiter?

  • 07.04.2009 12:51 PM PDT

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Maybe he doesn't, I'm not saying he's deliberately sending Thel to Earth. I was just saying that he doesn't need Thel.

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That's true but it seems that you're also assuming the AI knows which part of the ship needs to be sent to the Rainbow World. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem likely for Mendicant Bias to have been able to differentiate, and if it indeed wanted to send Chief there, I would think that would have been where the Arbiter ended up as well. My theory is just going to be basic. Portal opened up, Dawn went through, and while going through broke into two pieces. The half with Arbiter had the engine and was capable of stabilizing and making it back to Earth, while the other half was rocked while coming out of the portal and propelled out into space in another direction. And the mystery planet? Something completely different than anything Bungie has ever told us about while remaining similar to many other aspects of the Halo Universe, so that they have some creative freedom with whatever MC's next adventure may be. I mean for all we know that planet could be superfluous and the ship could end up just flying right by it. But whatever the case, it most definitely is not Reach, and I highly doubt that it's Onyx.

  • 07.04.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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That's true but it seems that you're also assuming the AI knows which part of the ship needs to be sent to the Rainbow World. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem likely for Mendicant Bias to have been able to differentiate, and if it indeed wanted to send Chief there, I would think that would have been where the Arbiter ended up as well. My theory is just going to be basic. Portal opened up, Dawn went through, and while going through broke into two pieces. The half with Arbiter had the engine and was capable of stabilizing and making it back to Earth, while the other half was rocked while coming out of the portal and propelled out into space in another direction. And the mystery planet? Something completely different than anything Bungie has ever told us about while remaining similar to many other aspects of the Halo Universe, so that they have some creative freedom with whatever MC's next adventure may be. I mean for all we know that planet could be superfluous and the ship could end up just flying right by it. But whatever the case, it most definitely is not Reach, and I highly doubt that it's Onyx.


Yeah, I'm not saying that Bias was differentiating there. I agree that the Dawn probably just broke in two whilst undergoing the Slipspace transaction.

  • 07.04.2009 1:42 PM PDT

Taking it for the team.

Very nice, im sticking with this thoery for a while, nice and solid.

  • 07.04.2009 2:14 PM PDT

Dont run, You die tired.

[quote]Posted by: slugino

In the Fall of Reach, about half the Spartans were sent to the ground to do battle and all of them died, in fact even the ones not sent to the ground were eventually killed in another mission and only the Chief and Cortana are able to survive long enough to get to the Pillar of Autumn. If I had to bet my money then this game "Reach" is going to be about the Spartans who didn't make it back and the final battles they had before the planet was destroyed.

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Obviously you didnt read the book ''Fall of reach''. A small part wasnt glassed because a forerunner structure underneeth. Thats how some spartans survive.

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Well we also need to remember here folks that normal slipspace laws do not apply considering the fact that this slipspace rupture or this "portal" connecting Earth and the Ark is Forerunner which is much more advanced than Human and Covenant. In normal Covenant/Human slipspace laws, objects cannot just break out of slipspace because of how extremely dangerous it is inside of slipspace, one could end up in a planet or a star or a number of dangerous possibilities. The only fact that we know is that the Arbiter successfully made it through the portal without a second to spare.

Now this is where things become interesting. We know that the ship was sliced cleanly into two halfs. The only way this could have happened is if the slipspace rupture ended with part of the ship in the portal and the other piece outside of the portal. The only other explanation is that it was ripped apart inside slipspace when the portal collapsed which is unlikely because Forward Unto Dawn had seen little to no combat while on the Ark and was a "healthy" ship.

This leaves for two possible scenarios.

Scenario One- Forward Unto Dawn was approaching the Portal and half of the ship entered when the portal closed. This carried the Arbiter's half back through the Portal to Earth while the Master Chief's half remained outside of the Portal and was somehow jettisoned by the explosions to deep space. The only support for this theory is the split ship and Cortana's knowledge regarding the damage to the Ark. Also some may wonder as to how the Master Chief could have survived a Halo ring firing sequence and the only possible explanation is that the weakened status of the new Halo Installation simply couldn't handle firing (which may be why 343 wanted to wait to fire) and ended up collapsing onto itself and just causing vast damage to the Ark.

Scenario Two- Forward Unto Dawn successfully entered Slip Space and began to emerge out of the Portal when the Portal closed. This would leave the Arbiter's half out of the Portal and into Earth while the Master Chief's half remained trapped in the Portal. Usually for Human/Covenant slipspace travel this would mean the Master Chief's ship would be destroyed, however since we're dealing with Forerunner technology, the Master Chief's ship may have just exited slipspace in some unforeseen location. The only support to this scenario is the split ship and the fact that they seem to be in a location far from the Ark.

Possible expansion to Scenario Two-Seeing as how we don't know much about how Forerunner slipspace technology works, the Master Chief may very well still be inside slipspace. I know this seems unlikely but we already know that the Forerunners knew how to keep things in slipspace because in Ghosts of Onyx the Dyson Sphere is literally inside of slipspace. So the Planet that the Master Chief is floating towards may very well be the outside of the Dyson Sphere where the other Spartans are and that an entire universe may exist in slipspace, which could very well be where the Precursors went to. I know how crazy this sounds but it leaves a lot of room for a new series of games.

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  • 07.04.2009 2:38 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

to The BS Police, she may have said "Well... some of us made it" but no where in that statement is she directly referring to her and the chief, for all we know she could have been referring to sergeant johnson, since his dead body was left behind, or the fact that he died and didnt get out

  • 07.04.2009 2:40 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

i remember someone saying that they made it in the tunnel not through it, cortana clearly states they made it through when she says "We made it through just as it collapsed."

  • 07.04.2009 2:53 PM PDT

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Well, if it isnt Onyx (Legendary ending), why send Chief and Cortana one way, and the rest of the Spartans another? Personally I believe that the Micro Dyson Sphere is far to just being a side story.

Although it would be a bit freaky to see Cortana and Dr Halsey in the same room...

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Posted by: TheDasachi
i remember someone saying that they made it in the tunnel not through it, cortana clearly states they made it through when she says "We made it through just as it collapsed."


Well then that supports my second scenario I have on my previous post. They must have made it through but right when the Arbiter's half made it through the portal it must have closed, unless there is some other way a ship can split so perfectly into two halves

  • 07.04.2009 3:03 PM PDT

Oel ngati kameie, oe omum nga, oe ’efu nga.

yeah i would think if something happened inside slipspace it would have come out more broken into pieces instead of "split in the middle" like it was, which supports the ideas of it being Bias or your second scenario which we should refer to by a name, any suggestions?

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I've been reading up on slipspace from sites such as halopedia, and apparently it's just multiple quantum dimensions where all the dimensions are tangled together like a crumpled up piece of paper whereas normal space would be like a flat piece of paper. When crumpled you can jump from one side of the paper to the other easier than one a flat piece apparently. Well is it possible that somewhere in all these crumpled dimensions is a place where the forerunner or possibly the precursors went? For example rather than dying out or possibly leaving known space they simply crossed over to another dimensional plain such as where the Spartan II's and Spartan III's currently reside? If so it doesn't sound that hard to believe that the closing portal may have taking the Master Chief there or seeing that the Chief wouldn't make it Bias could have sent him there.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: nick south
I Know you never said that.
The planet has forerunner symbols


But Forerunner symbols and Glyphs all came from the Precursors. Don't instantly judge it by saying it's Forerunner.

Don't instantly judge Forerunner symbols by saying they're Precursor, either, because that also isn't necessarily true as we have no evidence to support such.

Anyway, I want to add two details to support your counterargument to Onyx as well as your argument for Mendicant Bias.

The micro-dyson Sphere that resides within the lattice of sentinels whose patterns is explained to look like a criss-crossing grid of three meter-long rods with a red spherical eye in the center, forming a chain-link fence sort of design. While it would be difficult to recognize the design from a huge distance, the surface certainly wouldn't look like the Legendary Ending planet, either. Additionally, the micro-dyson sphere is also encased within a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, which means that if the sentinels were to clear away, the sphere wouldn't even be visible from the distance that the frigate is at in the Legendary Ending because the slipspace bubble has compressed its dimensionality into only a few meters in diameter to the outside world, and this is explicitly stated by Dr. Halsey at the end of Ghosts of Onyx.

As for Mendicant Bias "sending" Chief somewhere, opogjijipg pointed out that in one of the terminals, there is recorded data that indicates a breath in the portal security systems, which is likely to be the doing of Mendicant Bias, and this indicates that he may have had the ability to alter the portal's destination.

Like you, I think his entry about having his masters know that he has changed in the terminal is literal rather than figurative.

[Edited on 07.04.2009 5:57 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 5:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: nick south
I Know you never said that.
The planet has forerunner symbols


But Forerunner symbols and Glyphs all came from the Precursors. Don't instantly judge it by saying it's Forerunner.

Don't instantly judge Forerunner symbols by saying they're Precursor, either, because that also isn't necessarily true as we have no evidence to support such.

Anyway, I want to add two details to support your counterargument to Onyx as well as your argument for Mendicant Bias.

The micro-dyson Sphere that resides within the lattice of sentinels whose patterns is explained to look like a criss-crossing grid of three meter-long rods with a red spherical eye in the center, forming a chain-link fence sort of design. While it would be difficult to recognize the design from a huge distance, the surface certainly wouldn't look like the Legendary Ending planet, either. Additionally, the micro-dyson sphere is also encased within a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, which means that if the sentinels were to clear away, the sphere wouldn't even be visible from the distance that the frigate is at in the Legendary Ending because the slipspace bubble has compressed its dimensionality into only a few meters in diameter to the outside world, and this is explicitly stated by Dr. Halsey at the end of Ghosts of Onyx.

As for Mendicant Bias "sending" Chief somewhere, opogjijipg pointed out that in one of the terminals, there is recorded data that indicates a breath in the portal security systems, which is likely to be the doing of Mendicant Bias, and this indicates that he may have had the ability to alter the portal's destination.

Like you, I think his entry about having his masters know that he has changed in the terminal is literal rather than figurative.

Do you read all the posts. There has already been proof presented that he has been doing something to help/save the Chief.
Another thing, maybe the Mk VI armor saved the Chief's life. because the rings haven't been fired we don't know if it would work.
Still, it's just an idea

  • 07.04.2009 6:17 PM PDT

OZZI OZZI OZZI.... OI OI OI!!!!

To Debunk your theory about reach:

If the ship made it through, then why was it cut in half?
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If chief ever made it back to reach, repairs would have been done to the planet to make it look non glassed.

  • 07.04.2009 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: OZZI 1337
To Debunk your theory about reach:

If the ship made it through, then why was it cut in half?
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If chief ever made it back to reach, repairs would have been done to the planet to make it look non glassed.

Who's theory is this, we haven't talked about that for ages, its already unlikely.

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We never said it made it to reach, as for how it was cut in half read a previous post of mine on this page, the really long one

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We do not know what slipspace looks like so we cant actually say that John\Cortana is not in a slipspace bubble were the Dyson sphere is housed.

The Portal would probaly use slipspace so if it if it collapsed if you were halfway through were would you be... Slipspace.

Also for all we know the bubble of compressed dimensionalaty could be light years long comprising of all the different Shieldworlds, John could be in it.

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Posted by: Dathomsta
Do you read all the posts. There has already been proof presented that he has been doing something to help/save the Chief.

I'm sorry -- Was there something in my response that led you to believe I thought otherwise? The whole point of my response was to reinforce what has already been said in the thread, and what I put forward was not yet discussed, as yes, I do and have read all of the posts.

Another thing, maybe the Mk VI armor saved the Chief's life. because the rings haven't been fired we don't know if it would work.
Still, it's just an idea


That's a ridiculously silly idea. The Chief's Mk. V was classified by 343GS to be a Class-2 Battle Skin, if I'm not mistaken. I can't imagine that the Mk. VI would be much higher than that, but regardless, we know that the Forerunner have far more advanced technologies than Humanity, including armor, and if it were possible to shield yourself from the Halo's pulse, the Forerunner would have worn such things to prevent their own deaths to begin with. MJOLNIR would most certainly not prevent death against the Halo array because it would be the dumbest failsafe ever.

Posted by: OZZI 1337
To Debunk your theory about reach:

If the ship made it through, then why was it cut in half?

Because they were sent to two different places. The Arbiter's half of the ship made it through back to the other portal that appeared above the Earth's surface. Mendicant Bias likely switched the destination once half of the ship passed through, and because of this, the rest of the ship no longer traveled to Arbiter's destination, but to wherever Mendicant Bias had adjusted it to. That's how it split in half.

and
If chief ever made it back to reach, repairs would have been done to the planet to make it look non glassed.

Humanity can't repair a glassed planet.

[Edited on 07.04.2009 6:54 PM PDT]

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