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Posted by: xSpartan 062
Well we also need to remember here folks that normal slipspace laws do not apply considering the fact that this slipspace rupture or this "portal" connecting Earth and the Ark is Forerunner which is much more advanced than Human and Covenant. In normal Covenant/Human slipspace laws, objects cannot just break out of slipspace because of how extremely dangerous it is inside of slipspace, one could end up in a planet or a star or a number of dangerous possibilities. The only fact that we know is that the Arbiter successfully made it through the portal without a second to spare.

Now this is where things become interesting. We know that the ship was sliced cleanly into two halfs. The only way this could have happened is if the slipspace rupture ended with part of the ship in the portal and the other piece outside of the portal. The only other explanation is that it was ripped apart inside slipspace when the portal collapsed which is unlikely because Forward Unto Dawn had seen little to no combat while on the Ark and was a "healthy" ship.

This leaves for two possible scenarios.

Scenario One- Forward Unto Dawn was approaching the Portal and half of the ship entered when the portal closed. This carried the Arbiter's half back through the Portal to Earth while the Master Chief's half remained outside of the Portal and was somehow jettisoned by the explosions to deep space. The only support for this theory is the split ship and Cortana's knowledge regarding the damage to the Ark. Also some may wonder as to how the Master Chief could have survived a Halo ring firing sequence and the only possible explanation is that the weakened status of the new Halo Installation simply couldn't handle firing (which may be why 343 wanted to wait to fire) and ended up collapsing onto itself and just causing vast damage to the Ark.

Scenario Two- Forward Unto Dawn successfully entered Slip Space and began to emerge out of the Portal when the Portal closed. This would leave the Arbiter's half out of the Portal and into Earth while the Master Chief's half remained trapped in the Portal. Usually for Human/Covenant slipspace travel this would mean the Master Chief's ship would be destroyed, however since we're dealing with Forerunner technology, the Master Chief's ship may have just exited slipspace in some unforeseen location. The only support to this scenario is the split ship and the fact that they seem to be in a location far from the Ark.

Possible expansion to Scenario Two-Seeing as how we don't know much about how Forerunner slipspace technology works, the Master Chief may very well still be inside slipspace. I know this seems unlikely but we already know that the Forerunners knew how to keep things in slipspace because in Ghosts of Onyx the Dyson Sphere is literally inside of slipspace. So the Planet that the Master Chief is floating towards may very well be the outside of the Dyson Sphere where the other Spartans are and that an entire universe may exist in slipspace, which could very well be where the Precursors went to. I know how crazy this sounds but it leaves a lot of room for a new series of games.


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Posted by: AngasBoy
We do not know what slipspace looks like so we cant actually say that John\Cortana is not in a slipspace bubble were the Dyson sphere is housed.

The Portal would probaly use slipspace so if it if it collapsed if you were halfway through were would you be... Slipspace.


Not necessarily true. The Forerunner have shown to use instantaneous portal technology that does not utilize slipspace, a perfect example being how the teleportation grid on the Halo installations that 343GS utilizes on Master Chief in Halo: Combat Evolved, and that Cortana later uses on Delta Halo to sent the Chief into the Sanctum of the Prophets (might be mistaking the location here).

Also for all we know the bubble of compressed dimensionalaty could be light years long comprising of all the different Shieldworlds, John could be in it.


Halsey explicitly states that their Shield World, singularly, was encased, on its own, in a spherical bubble that closely encased the spherical Shield World. Think of a cell membrane surrounding a cell -- sort of like that. There may be other Shield Worlds, but they are not located in the same slipspace bubble, and even if they were, that doesn't change the fact that it is still only a few meters in diameter to the outside world.

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Is the slipspace bubble connected to the rest of slipspace?

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I Know you never said that.
The planet has forerunner symbols


But Forerunner symbols and Glyphs all came from the Precursors. Don't instantly judge it by saying it's Forerunner.

Don't instantly judge Forerunner symbols by saying they're Precursor, either, because that also isn't necessarily true as we have no evidence to support such.

Anyway, I want to add two details to support your counterargument to Onyx as well as your argument for Mendicant Bias.

The micro-dyson Sphere that resides within the lattice of sentinels whose patterns is explained to look like a criss-crossing grid of three meter-long rods with a red spherical eye in the center, forming a chain-link fence sort of design. While it would be difficult to recognize the design from a huge distance, the surface certainly wouldn't look like the Legendary Ending planet, either. Additionally, the micro-dyson sphere is also encased within a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, which means that if the sentinels were to clear away, the sphere wouldn't even be visible from the distance that the frigate is at in the Legendary Ending because the slipspace bubble has compressed its dimensionality into only a few meters in diameter to the outside world, and this is explicitly stated by Dr. Halsey at the end of Ghosts of Onyx.

As for Mendicant Bias "sending" Chief somewhere, opogjijipg pointed out that in one of the terminals, there is recorded data that indicates a breath in the portal security systems, which is likely to be the doing of Mendicant Bias, and this indicates that he may have had the ability to alter the portal's destination.

Like you, I think his entry about having his masters know that he has changed in the terminal is literal rather than figurative.

Do you read all the posts. There has already been proof presented that he has been doing something to help/save the Chief.

I'm sorry -- Was there something in my response that led you to believe I thought otherwise? The whole point of my response was to reinforce what has already been said in the thread, and what I put forward was not yet discussed, as yes, I do and have read all of the posts.

Another thing, maybe the Mk VI armor saved the Chief's life. because the rings haven't been fired we don't know if it would work.
Still, it's just an idea


That's a ridiculously silly idea. The Chief's Mk. V was classified by 343GS to be a Class-2 Battle Skin, if I'm not mistaken. I can't imagine that the Mk. VI would be much higher than that, but regardless, we know that the Forerunner have far more advanced technologies than Humanity, including armor, and if it were possible to shield yourself from the Halo's pulse, the Forerunner would have worn such things to prevent their own deaths to begin with. MJOLNIR would most certainly not prevent death against the Halo array because it would be the dumbest failsafe ever.

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To Debunk your theory about reach:

If the ship made it through, then why was it cut in half?

Because they were sent to two different places. The Arbiter's half of the ship made it through back to the other portal that appeared above the Earth's surface. Mendicant Bias likely switched the destination once half of the ship passed through, and because of this, the rest of the ship no longer traveled to Arbiter's destination, but to wherever Mendicant Bias had adjusted it to. That's how it split in half.

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If chief ever made it back to reach, repairs would have been done to the planet to make it look non glassed.

Humanity can't repair a glassed planet.

OK, but you should have taken some quotes from earlier posts, it sounded like you hadn't read the posts, though I completely agree with you .

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
Is the slipspace bubble connected to the rest of slipspace?


We don't know that's the problem.

If we knew a little more about foreunner Slipspace tech we could probaly work this out.

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
This leaves for two possible scenarios.

I say it leaves three, actually.

Scenario Three entails that Mendicant Bias was the true perpetrator in the Portal Security System breach indicated in the Terminals, and that his message that "I would have my masters know that I have changed, and you shall be my example" was a literal statement. Because of this, the Arbiter's half of the frigate passes into the portal, emerging on the other side, and at the midway point, Mendicant Bias alters the Ark-side portal's destination coordinates, effectively severing the two halves of the frigate, and Cortana and John's half passes through the portal completely as well, yet to a different destination.

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This leaves for two possible scenarios.

I say it leaves three, actually.

Scenario Three entails that Mendicant Bias was the true perpetrator in the Portal Security System breach indicated in the Terminals, and that his message that "I would have my masters know that I have changed, and you shall be my example" was a literal statement. Because of this, the Arbiter's half of the frigate passes into the portal, emerging on the other side, and at the midway point, Mendicant Bias alters the Ark-side portal's destination coordinates, effectively severing the two halves of the frigate, and Cortana and John's half passes through the portal completely as well, yet to a different destination.


If an AI could do that he would be a god.

And I think that's what forerunner Ai's are closley related to.

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Posted by: Dream053
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This leaves for two possible scenarios.

I say it leaves three, actually.

Scenario Three entails that Mendicant Bias was the true perpetrator in the Portal Security System breach indicated in the Terminals, and that his message that "I would have my masters know that I have changed, and you shall be my example" was a literal statement. Because of this, the Arbiter's half of the frigate passes into the portal, emerging on the other side, and at the midway point, Mendicant Bias alters the Ark-side portal's destination coordinates, effectively severing the two halves of the frigate, and Cortana and John's half passes through the portal completely as well, yet to a different destination.


Well I actually didn't take this theory into account because I had doubted that as powerful as Mendicant Bias is even he couldn't have known the Master Chief was in the rear or the ship. I doubt he would have divided the ship and risked hurting the Chief also.

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
Is the slipspace bubble connected to the rest of slipspace?

I would assume not if Dr. Halsey was able to, from within the micro Dyson Sphere, discern that their Shield World was encased within a slipspace bubble. I suppose slipspace could be an open dimensional plane, but I've always thought of it much more linearly like a tunnel.

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Posted by: Dream053
Posted by: xSpartan 062
Is the slipspace bubble connected to the rest of slipspace?

I would assume not if Dr. Halsey was able to, from within the micro Dyson Sphere, discern that their Shield World was encased within a slipspace bubble. I suppose slipspace could be an open dimensional plane, but I've always thought of it much more linearly like a tunnel.


I don't think its linear like that of a tunnel considering it has seven non-visible infinitesimal quantum dimensions that are intertwined together.

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Is the slipspace bubble connected to the rest of slipspace?

I would assume not if Dr. Halsey was able to, from within the micro Dyson Sphere, discern that their Shield World was encased within a slipspace bubble. I suppose slipspace could be an open dimensional plane, but I've always thought of it much more linearly like a tunnel.


I don't think its linear like that of a tunnel considering it has seven non-visible infinitesimal quantum dimensions that are intertwined together.

Do you happen to remember in which novel this is stated?

By the way:

This image indicates that a very prominent Forerunner glyph is shown on the surface of the Legendary Ending planetoid.

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If an AI could do that he would be a god.

And I think that's what forerunner Ai's are closley related to.


No he is rampant, that's what all AI's feel like in rampancy. But he's trying to pull himself out of it.

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It is off of Halopedia

as for the image that is why we have decided that it isn't reach but is a forerunner structure

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Is the slipspace bubble connected to the rest of slipspace?

I would assume not if Dr. Halsey was able to, from within the micro Dyson Sphere, discern that their Shield World was encased within a slipspace bubble. I suppose slipspace could be an open dimensional plane, but I've always thought of it much more linearly like a tunnel.


I don't think its linear like that of a tunnel considering it has seven non-visible infinitesimal quantum dimensions that are intertwined together.


I Agree.

7 Infinite Quantum dimensions interwined together would almost certainly not make a tunnel.

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Posted by: Dathomsta
No he is rampant, that's what all AI's feel like in rampancy. But he's trying to pull himself out of it.


Ever thought that maybe it was the Bias that held up the platforms on Alpha Halo long enough for MC to get away.

And it was him that delayed the activation of the Halos in the citadel.

If an AI could do that maybe he could take down a foreunner portal.

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I'm sure he could control the portal I just doubt he knew what side of the ship Master Chief was on.

Has it occurred to anyone that the forerunners might have set up a fail safe if a portal collapses? Maybe the Master Chief was stuck in the portal like I think he was when Arbiter's half left the Portal thus splitting the ship and maybe the failsafe kicked in and delivered him to an unknown location.

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No he is rampant, that's what all AI's feel like in rampancy. But he's trying to pull himself out of it.


Ever thought that maybe it was the Bias that held up the platforms on Alpha Halo long enough for MC to get away.

And it was him that delayed the activation of the Halos in the citadel.

If an AI could do that maybe he could take down a foreunner portal.


Yes, that's the conclusion we've come to at the moment for that theory or idea, we are still trying to figure out why he changed the course of Cortana and Master Chief. Mendicant bias must need the Chief to get something.

At the moment the flood are still out of control on the delta Halo, which could mean the fight isn't over yet.

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Posted by: AngasBoy
I Agree.

7 Infinite Quantum dimensions interwined together would almost certainly not make a tunnel.

I don't see why either of you are coming to this conclusion. Dimensions do not always lie within the physical, spatial plane anyway. The idea you're talking about is a 2552 theory, rather than something proven, and all that it truly explains anyway is that, basically, slipspace is likened to the result of crumpling up a wad of paper. All of the folds and crevices and multiple flat planes that never touched before now do touch. Just because it is explained to be bundled of multiple dimensions doesn't dictate whether its pathway is actually an open plane of space or whether it is a tunnel.

I can't remember what led me to believe it was a tunnel, but I thought I had good reason. Perhaps it was simply due to the name slipstream space.

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Delta Halo being one of many Flood controlled regions. How many stations like the one around Threshold still exist along with installations or planets that the flood still lie dormant in?

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I don't think its linear like that of a tunnel considering it has seven non-visible infinitesimal quantum dimensions that are intertwined together.


I Agree.

7 Infinite Quantum dimensions interwined together would almost certainly not make a tunnel.

Ah hah! I knew I wasn't just making up things! Here's a quote from First Strike:

First Strike, p. 86
Energy surged from the reactors in the Slipstream generator matrices. A path parted directly before them--a pinhole the became a gyrating wormhole, fluxing and spinning.


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It seems we're talking about two different things. It seems you are talking about a path from point A to point B, which would obviously be straight like that of a tunnel. I am talking about slipspace as a whole, to try to support my argument that if the Master Chief is stuck in the portal it could mean he could be in a different dimension all together and since it is Forerunner, he could have been sent to where the other Spartans are if the slipspace bubble is connected with the rest of slipspace.

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
It seems we're talking about two different things. It seems you are talking about a path from point A to point B, which would obviously be straight like that of a tunnel. I am talking about slipspace as a whole, to try to support my argument that if the Master Chief is stuck in the portal it could mean he could be in a different dimension all together and since it is Forerunner, he could have been sent to where the other Spartans are if the slipspace bubble is connected with the rest of slipspace.

Have you read the books? If he was sailing towards Onyx he still wouldn't be able to get in and if he was in the same dimension as them it would look like Earth or Reach not with ancient symbols on it.

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
It seems we're talking about two different things. It seems you are talking about a path from point A to point B, which would obviously be straight like that of a tunnel. I am talking about slipspace as a whole, to try to support my argument that if the Master Chief is stuck in the portal it could mean he could be in a different dimension all together and since it is Forerunner, he could have been sent to where the other Spartans are if the slipspace bubble is connected with the rest of slipspace.

Yes, I was referring to a path, but it applies to what you are saying because your theory states that Master Chief could be stuck within the portal, which according to your theory utilizes slipstream space, and thus he would be within such a path as well.

The idea of someone getting stuck within what is supposed to be a pre-destined slipspace pathway and then emerging instead into an expanse containing millions of stars and magellanic cloud all encased within slipspace seems incredibly far-fetched when you consider the only things that have ever been known to be encased in Slipspace by the Forerunner. We have a Shield World roughly twice the diameter of Earth encased in a slipspace bubble, and then we have several humanoid storage pods that are encased in smaller forms of the same thing.

Comparing that to what seems like an endless outer-space is unfounded at the moment.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but we certainly haven't been given any information to support that theory, either. Maybe once GoO's storyline is continued on, we can get an answer if they figure out how to get Katana out of their pods and hear from them directly "where" they went.

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