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Subject: Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT Reach/Onyx/Marathon

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Wow, this thread has seen a lot of support from Dream in my absence. Thanks for keeping this alive.

I completely agree with you and I can't believe I forgot about Bias tampering with the Portal's sysytems.

It is; however; known that pretty much everything Forerunner is transcended from their Precursor heritage. As it keeps the Forerunners on the path the Precursors desired so that the Forerunners may in turn set the seeds for the next civilization.

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Posted by: ajw34307
It is; however; known that pretty much everything Forerunner is transcended from their Precursor heritage. As it keeps the Forerunners on the path the Precursors desired so that the Forerunners may in turn set the seeds for the next civilization.

What I mean is that we don't know how much the Forerunner received from their "legendary" predecessors, and so to say that all Forerunner glyphs are of Precursor origin would be a misjudgment for the time being.

  • 07.05.2009 4:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053
Posted by: ajw34307
It is; however; known that pretty much everything Forerunner is transcended from their Precursor heritage. As it keeps the Forerunners on the path the Precursors desired so that the Forerunners may in turn set the seeds for the next civilization.

What I mean is that we don't know how much the Forerunner received from their "legendary" predecessors, and so to say that all Forerunner glyphs are of Precursor origin would be a misjudgment for the time being.


I suppose it's a little far-fetched to insinuate that all Glyphs are of Precursor origin, but we know so little about them so it's in a line of possibility.

  • 07.05.2009 4:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dream053

The micro-dyson Sphere that resides within the lattice of sentinels whose patterns is explained to look like a criss-crossing grid of three meter-long rods with a red spherical eye in the center, forming a chain-link fence sort of design. While it would be difficult to recognize the design from a huge distance, the surface certainly wouldn't look like the Legendary Ending planet, either. Additionally, the micro-dyson sphere is also encased within a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, which means that if the sentinels were to clear away, the sphere wouldn't even be visible from the distance that the frigate is at in the Legendary Ending because the slipspace bubble has compressed its dimensionality into only a few meters in diameter to the outside world, and this is explicitly stated by Dr. Halsey at the end of Ghosts of Onyx.


That isnt true, the sentinels may be about three meter in size, but it never says anything about the paterns, crosses and lines being the size of three meters. They did see that there were patterns before they zoomed in.

And the slipstream/space bubble, I always thought that you needed energy to contain something in it, energy that eíther came from the vessel itself (the MD sphere) or something outside of it, in this case the Onyx installation. If the sentinels were to "run of", wouldent it just disssolve? Well, maybe the star inside it is the energy source.

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The micro-dyson Sphere that resides within the lattice of sentinels whose patterns is explained to look like a criss-crossing grid of three meter-long rods with a red spherical eye in the center, forming a chain-link fence sort of design. While it would be difficult to recognize the design from a huge distance, the surface certainly wouldn't look like the Legendary Ending planet, either. Additionally, the micro-dyson sphere is also encased within a slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality, which means that if the sentinels were to clear away, the sphere wouldn't even be visible from the distance that the frigate is at in the Legendary Ending because the slipspace bubble has compressed its dimensionality into only a few meters in diameter to the outside world, and this is explicitly stated by Dr. Halsey at the end of Ghosts of Onyx.


That isnt true, the sentinels may be about three meter in size, but it never says anything about the paterns, crosses and lines being the size of three meters. They did see that there were patterns before they zoomed in.

Yes it is true, because I never said that the pattern was three meters. I never said the sentinels were three meters either, for that matter. I said that the sentinels were described to have three, separate meter-long rods, like a tripod. As for the pattern, I said that it would likely be difficult to see from the naked eye in outer-space because the chain-link design was only truly described in detail after the Dusk increased its view magnification by 1,000 to more closely see what was happening to Onyx's surface when the sentinels first began to burst out from within. They backed it off later for a wider view of the surface, but my point still stands:

The design of the lattice would be incredibly difficult to see with the naked eye at that distance regardless simply because of the closely-knit grid-like, polymer chain that these interlocked sentinels have formed. The simple size of the sentinels dictates the size of each "link" in the design, and it would be too small for the naked eye to pick up until it came closer. As I said originally, however, it would still likely change the texture of the surface to look more unsettled and somewhat rigid because of this continuous pattern.

In either case, the Legendary Ending planetoid is not the sentinel lattice surrounding the dyson-sphere, nor is it the dyson-sphere either, at least not from the world outside of slipstream space.

And the slipstream/space bubble, I always thought that you needed energy to contain something in it, energy that eíther came from the vessel itself (the MD sphere) or something outside of it, in this case the Onyx installation. If the sentinels were to "run of", wouldent it just disssolve? Well, maybe the star inside it is the energy source.
It would make sense to me that the Shield World is self-preserving. Forerunner battle units like Sentinels are surely powerful, but not even a monitor can induce a measure of slipstream space, or at least not to what we've been told, so it would be safer to assume that it is a mechanism upon the Shield World itself. Otherwise, the entire point of being on said Shield World would be pointless if you couldn't get out from the inside.

  • 07.05.2009 5:02 AM PDT

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I don't remember the legendary world looking like that. At all. But oh well, don't mind me. I'll just beat it again after i get home today.

  • 07.05.2009 5:25 AM PDT

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OK, now that we seem to have figured out what the legendary planet is.
Making the assumption the Mendicant Bias has sent the Chief there for a reason, does anyone want to have a stab at why he did?

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Who says it would look like Reach or Earth? The other Spartans are in a Dyson Sphere, which has a sun in the center and all life on the inside. Who knows what the outside would look like, especially if it was in another dimension.

My theory is simple, one half of Forward Unto Dawn made it out of the portal which was the Arbiter's half, while the other resides inside the portal upon the portal closing. In normal slip space laws this would mean that the second half would probably be destroyed or left out in space somewhere with the extreme possibility being that they would have ended up in a sun or in a planet. However this is forerunner tech, so that means they might have a fail safe where the second half of the ship would end up if the transfer from the Ark to Earth was not complete.

This leaves two options, either the master chief is still in slip space or possibly another dimension OR the forerunners had a fail safe to take the master chief somewhere else that would be safe from Halo.

Either way I don't see how Mendicant Bias affected this seeing as how he had no way of knowing that master chief would be in the second half of the ship.

The final unlikely scenario is that he exited the portal before the second half made it to Earth which and got really lucky and didn't end up in a planet or sun and just happened to be near a forerunner planet. (very very unlikely)

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@ Dream053
I see. But, while the crystalline structure would be more or less impossible to see from space, I still cant see why one cant assume that they, by changing hight, incresing/decreasing the planetoids radius, would make larger patters, like the glyphs on the "Legendary" planet. And remember, although the most of the planetoid consists of sentinels, there are a lot of Forerunner structures on it, even entire cities .Or did they blast of the surface as well? And, the Forerunner dont tend to make completely round things.
The point Im trying to make, why I wont let go that it might be Onyx, is because I cant see why the story would go two separate ways. I dont think that one can reach the MDS from any other place then Onyx either. Surely the sentinels have repaired the portal by now, they do after all repair almost everything that breaks (Installation 05) But then again, my understanding of Forerunner technology is quite limited. But it isnt the MDS from the outside, thats for sure.
Speaking of repairing, maybe the sentinels are programed to repair the Ark too?

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Based on everything that we know regarding A.I in Halo such as 343 Guilty Spark, 2401 Penitent Tangent, the Sentinels and the Constructor Drones, are that they all follow a very strict protocol. When Onyx broke apart via the explosions, the Sentinels did what they were programed to do and that was to eliminate the enemy ships around Onyx and protect the slip space bubble. Once the threat was eliminated it seems very logical that they would simply revert back into planet form and go on standby status until there is another threat. If they did this than there wouldn't be any land masses or water and there might be glyphs.

As for the blue light we see, I am still unsure, which is the only reason I doubt that it is Onyx. I am still sticking with the theory that it is a Dyson Sphere shield world.

We also must remember that when installation 05 or "Delta Halo" was about to fire it had a magnificent blue light, for all we know he may be stumbling upon a forerunner planet that is close to another Halo installation.

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Based on everything that we know regarding A.I in Halo such as 343 Guilty Spark, 2401 Penitent Tangent, the Sentinels and the Constructor Drones, are that they all follow a very strict protocol. When Onyx broke apart via the explosions, the Sentinels did what they were programed to do and that was to eliminate the enemy ships around Onyx and protect the slip space bubble. Once the threat was eliminated it seems very logical that they would simply revert back into planet form and go on standby status until there is another threat. If they did this than there wouldn't be any land masses or water and there might be glyphs.

As for the blue light we see, I am still unsure, which is the only reason I doubt that it is Onyx. I am still sticking with the theory that it is a Dyson Sphere shield world.

We also must remember that when installation 05 or "Delta Halo" was about to fire it had a magnificent blue light, for all we know he may be stumbling upon a forerunner planet that is close to another Halo installation.

Those are some really good points you come with. When the sentinels broke apart, the probably covered the cities before firing. But then, the threat (the Covenant and a moon) was eliminated they regrouped beneath the surface stuctures, much like ants.
As for the lights on the "Legendary" planet its probably just "street lights", the installations default lighing, just like the outside of the Halos.

[Edited on 07.05.2009 7:32 AM PDT]

  • 07.05.2009 7:29 AM PDT

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We still don't know what the Legendary Planet actually is, we've been speculating but that's all we can do.
Installation 05 wasn't firing, it was sending a signal to communicate with the other Installations and putting them on stand-by mode.

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Posted by: ajw34307
We still don't know what the Legendary Planet actually is, we've been speculating but that's all we can do.
Installation 05 wasn't firing, it was sending a signal to communicate with the other Installations and putting them on stand-by mode.


I said about to fire.

  • 07.05.2009 7:54 AM PDT

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Lol, Connor's in the Halo: Reach forum? Connor is a computer? Connor isn't a Heroic Member? Oh yeah, that makes sense...

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  • 07.05.2009 8:25 AM PDT

I've taken a liking to this Reach forum, it's somewhat fun ripping into crazy theories.

  • 07.05.2009 8:32 AM PDT

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The Halo 3 legendary ending planet isn't blue. It looks blue because of it's blue star.
Furthermore, the picture you gave of the 'glassing' of Reach is just a picture of the initial attacks: a few bombs, a little plasma, but not the Covenant trying to mineralise the whole planet. They do that after the battle, not during.

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Posted by: ajw34307
Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT Onyx:

During the events of Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, it is made clear that the planet shell itself is destroyed by Kurt who detonates the FENRIS warheads.
The shell broke apart and the planet revealed itself to be trillions of Sentinels, they left behind a Micro Dyson Sphere housing:
-Doctor Halsey
-Mendez
-Blue Team
-Team Katana
-Team Saber

When Onyx was obliterated, there was a Slipspace Field around which isn't seen during the Legendary Ending sequence.
Also, I believe I am correct in saying that the whole place exists in Slipspace anyway. When the rear section of the Dawn is seen it is clear that the surroundings are not in Slipspace.

Onyx's location is in the Zeta Doradus System which houses many uninhabitable words very close to Onyx. Here is a clear picture of a very large planet behind Onyx which isn't present at all during the LE sequence.

So it can't really be Onyx...


I don't agree. I don't believe it's Onyx, but I'm saying it's possible.
First "We made it through just as it collapsed"
Since the portal is somehow used with the slipspace, just like in slipspace jump, when you enter you can exist anytime but it won't bring you to the correct destination. They did entered the portal (or they would have been dead) but it was prematurely shutdown. Since we know they didn't arrive around earth, they are locate somewhere between the Ark and Earth.

There is also a possibility that by the detonation of the Halo, the portal overloaded and jumped from one destination to another, but I will remove this theory as its base on Stargate and there is nothing relate to Halo.

There is also a scientific explanation that allow the chief to travel in time (with unespected results) which mean he could have go to Onyx before the planet explode.

We can access the space-time within slipspace but with enermous energy. Since the slipspace portal was prematurely closed due to structural damage and/or energy overloaded from the Halo weapon system and/or structural detonation there is a possibility that this energy spike allowed John and Cortana to travel to the past or the future.
There is not possibility that they travel to an alternative universe (marathon) because the energy require would be too much. For time travel the power requirement can be theorize (from many science-fiction creation) to nuclear fusion (the sun) and for alternative universe: Zero Point Energy from slipspace.

I have difficulties to explain, but seriously, with the forunner technology+ forerunner accidental power overload, they really can travel in time.
They can, but I don't think they will, since when Bungie did something with time traveling? It's too much confusing.

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your saying that there is a planet other than Reach where they made a mega fortress, plausable theory but why would all the human race have the imformation of another planet withheld although there are many reasons none outweigh the reasons for Bungie to tell us.

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@ Dream053
I see. But, while the crystalline structure would be more or less impossible to see from space, I still cant see why one cant assume that they, by changing hight, incresing/decreasing the planetoids radius, would make larger patters, like the glyphs on the "Legendary" planet.

That's possible, but I don't see why they would. Increasing their structural size means bigger open holes in the "links" for things to slip through. I'm not saying they wouldn't, but I don't see why they would bother. It makes it stick out more and its defenses would seem to be somewhat weakened with said link holes being larger and their "combined fire" being slightly more spread apart.

And remember, although the most of the planetoid consists of sentinels, there are a lot of Forerunner structures on it, even entire cities .Or did they blast of the surface as well?[/qoute]
Onyx's surface exploded when the Sentinels burst out of it, reacting to the Covenant ships, so everything, as far as we know, is now gone.

[quote]And, the Forerunner dont tend to make completely round things.
The point Im trying to make, why I wont let go that it might be Onyx, is because I cant see why the story would go two separate ways. I dont think that one can reach the MDS from any other place then Onyx either. Surely the sentinels have repaired the portal by now, they do after all repair almost everything that breaks (Installation 05) But then again, my understanding of Forerunner technology is quite limited. But it isnt the MDS from the outside, thats for sure.
Speaking of repairing, maybe the sentinels are programed to repair the Ark too?

Again I'm not calling your theory false, because I too believe that Master Chief should reacquaint himself with the others on the Shield World, and I hope that he does, but I'm just going by what we currently know to produce evidence in either direction, and at the moment, we have less and less reason to believe it to be Onyx.

As far as sentinels repairing the Ark and the portal, if the cataclysmic explosion was as great as Cortana said, then all of the Sentinels in the vicinity of the Ark would have perished. I don't really see the Ark being revisited, but hey, you never know.

The only way it could be the MDS is if that entire area of outer-space, including the stars and magellanic cloud and everything else was suspended in slipspace, as that'd be the only way it would be that large, and in that case, we would have no idea what the outside shell of the Shield World would look like, and it could look like the Legendary Ending planetoid... but as you said, our knowledge of Forerunner technology and their limitations is miniscule. All I can really do is compare the only other slipspace suspension occurrences to this idea and say that for it to be possible, the scale of it would have to be billions of times larger, and it would also contradict Halsey's statement of MDS being encased.

Trying to be unbiased here, regardless of what I think. All we can go off of is what little evidence we have, and considering how scarce that is, we can't really discern much of the truth, aside from of course Reach not being a part of the equation.

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@ tri125
Im not saying that the planet in the Legendary ending is Onyx, but please, Onyx did not explode. Prove me wrong by quoting exact lines that say so.

@ Dream053
You're right about a unevenness in the crystalline structure being a weak point, it would compromise its integrity, I thought of that right after have read xSpartan 062's post. It is more likely that the sentinels, in thier "aggressive" mode aligned themselves to form a homogeneous sphere around the installation and its structures, cities etc. And first after the threat was cleared, returned to their default positions, revealing the glyphs.

Lets say that it isnt Onyx, nor the outer casing of the MDS (obviously), what could it be then?
Another shield world, storing yet a MDS inside of it? Or is it just a Forerunner hangar like the one in Halo Wars (Id rather not since I dont count that game in the Halo saga...).
Or the third alternative, something completely new?
There are after all almost endless ways for the Chief to find the rest of the Spartans.


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@ tri125
Im not saying that the planet in the Legendary ending is Onyx, but please, Onyx did not explode. Prove me wrong by quoting exact lines that say so.

@ Dream053
You're right about a unevenness in the crystalline structure being a weak point, it would compromise its integety, I thought of that right after have read xSpartan 062's post. It is more likely that the sentinels, in thier "agressive" mode aligned themselves to form a homogeneous sphere around the installations other struktures, cities etc. And first after the threat was cleared, returned to their default positions.

Lets say that it isnt Onyx, nor the outer casing of the MDS (obviously), what could it be then?
Another shield world, storing yet a MDS inside of it? Or is it just a Forerunner hangar like the one in Halo Wars (Id rather not since I dont count that game in the Halo saga...).
Or the third alternative, something completely new?

Well, if we assume that Mendicant Bias' statement is literal, I would venture to say it is either some other sort of Shield World, or in fact a Forerunner homeworld. If Mendicant Bias is to "have his masters know that he has changed", then a Forerunner would have to either be alive, or have left behind an intelligence to speak on behalf of them. But that's just if his statement was literal.

Can't say for sure, but I'm putting my money on something we haven't seen yet.

  • 07.05.2009 10:40 AM PDT

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The Halo 3 legendary ending planet isn't blue. It looks blue because of it's blue star.
Furthermore, the picture you gave of the 'glassing' of Reach is just a picture of the initial attacks: a few bombs, a little plasma, but not the Covenant trying to mineralise the whole planet. They do that after the battle, not during.


Nobody said the planet was blue, I said the artificial sun was blue.

The Didact may be in stasis somewhere or he may have found the Precursor Rainbow World and currently exists there.

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I would completely agree with Dream. And Mendicant Bias was speaking to John, since Humanity is the decedents of the Forerunners he was making it up to his "masters" the sons of the father. The planet, well it's debatable wether or not it's Onyx, or Reach, or a Shield world, but what is for certain is it is Forerunner. That much can be proven via this The Forerunner Planet.

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Posted by: TheEndIsNear NL
The Halo 3 legendary ending planet isn't blue. It looks blue because of it's blue star.
Furthermore, the picture you gave of the 'glassing' of Reach is just a picture of the initial attacks: a few bombs, a little plasma, but not the Covenant trying to mineralise the whole planet. They do that after the battle, not during.


Nobody said the planet was blue, I said the artificial sun was blue.

The Didact may be in stasis somewhere or he may have found the Precursor Rainbow World and currently exists there.


Who says it's an artificial sun, not all suns are the same color, learn something about astrology, and physics.

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