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Subject: Why Halo 3's Legendary Planet is NOT Reach/Onyx/Marathon
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Posted by: tri125
There is also a scientific explanation that allow the chief to travel in time (with unespected results) which mean he could have go to Onyx before the planet explode.

We can access the space-time within slipspace but with enermous energy. Since the slipspace portal was prematurely closed due to structural damage and/or energy overloaded from the Halo weapon system and/or structural detonation there is a possibility that this energy spike allowed John and Cortana to travel to the past or the future.
There is not possibility that they travel to an alternative universe (marathon) because the energy require would be too much. For time travel the power requirement can be theorize (from many science-fiction creation) to nuclear fusion (the sun) and for alternative universe: Zero Point Energy from slipspace.

How are you coming up with this information about accessing spacetime via slipspace? That was never said or alluded to whatsoever.

Citing the scientific establishment of other science-fiction universes is silly. Halo is its own universe with its own scientific laws, and while Sci-Fi content tends to borrow ideas from other Sci-Fi content, incredibly large plot devices like time and intra-universal travel are uniquely-defined in the content in which they are prevalent.

There has never been any inclination in any piece of Halo content to insinuate that time travel is possible. Time dilation is another story, but that isn't time travel, and it doesn't deal with the past either.

I have difficulties to explain, but seriously, with the forunner technology+ forerunner accidental power overload, they really can travel in time.
They can, but I don't think they will, since when Bungie did something with time traveling? It's too much confusing.

Joe Staten already confirmed in an interview that he agrees that time travel would be a silly and cliché plot device. They explored both deeply in Marathon and have seemed to steer far away from it with Halo. Saying that the Forerunner "can" is an unfounded statement. We don't know what the Forerunner can do.

  • 07.05.2009 10:48 AM PDT

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I'd like to begin by saying that the rear section of the Dawn, containing John & Cortana, DID manage to make it through the Portal. Listen to the lines!

"I'm not sure. When Halo fired, it shook itself to pieces. Did a number on the Ark. The Portal couldn't sustain itself. We made it through just as it collapsed."

If they didn't make it through the Portal, then they would be dead...Simply put...
Actually they didn't make it, she stated the following....

"Well... some of us made it"

Which confirms that The Arbiter made it through the portal, but the otherside of the ship (with them in it) didn't make it.


Perhaps Cortana is referring to Mendicant Bias there as she has had interactions with him before in Halo 2.
Also, there were still humans on the Ark.

If they didn't make it through the Portal then John and Cortana would have died, Installation 04's premature firing would have obliterated the Dawn.

Skip to 3: 25 and there's your proof.
No. All humans had evacuated before hand in the Shadow of Intent.

But something else I noticed is that Jon shouldn't been able to speak to Cortana after she was removed from his head. He's in a vaccum. Where there is no sound.

  • 07.05.2009 10:52 AM PDT

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Over his COM, I believe.

  • 07.05.2009 12:18 PM PDT

I agree with all and none of the statements in this thread.

  • 07.05.2009 1:00 PM PDT

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I agree with all and none of the statements in this thread.

Including the one you just wrote? :P

  • 07.05.2009 1:08 PM PDT

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Especially the one he just wrote!

  • 07.05.2009 1:08 PM PDT

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ok heres my take on what everyones said the MC did make it through the portal but didnt get all the way through, the planet is not reach or onyx but likly a forruner world (sheild or just a home one) Mendicant Bias most likly set it up for the chief to get there, and I think that it's a forruner shield world with some living forrunners on it and he has to tell them what has happened my evidence to support this

1. someone forruners must have lived on because humans are here.

2. 343 said before he attacks you in halo 3 that the humans are forruner

(sorry for any spelling mestakes)

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If forerunners did survive the initial halo blasts I highly doubt they are still alive. We know they purposely killed themselves to prevent a worse fate which is to be consumed by the flood. I doubt they are still alive also because 100,000 years is a long time, surely to G-d after the Halo rings fired they would have come out of hiding to reclaim their mantle as most powerful race in the universe.

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  • 07.05.2009 2:02 PM PDT

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They weren't the most powerful race in the Universe, the Precursors were.

  • 07.05.2009 2:16 PM PDT
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When the forerunners existed they were the most powerful race in the universe. Just like when the covenant existed they were the most powerful race.

  • 07.05.2009 3:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
When the forerunners existed they were the most powerful race in the universe. Just like when the covenant existed they were the most powerful race.

But the Covenant aren't a race their a collection of races to make up the Covenant

  • 07.05.2009 6:27 PM PDT
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cortan thinks they made it through. just as she thinks the arbiter is dead

and it could be marathon. just a big old nodd to marathon as the stories are very very similar except for some numbers. the marathon guy was in the cryo thing as master chief finished in. it could work.

but reach is about the fall of reach. come on

  • 07.05.2009 8:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dathomsta
Posted by: xSpartan 062
When the forerunners existed they were the most powerful race in the universe. Just like when the covenant existed they were the most powerful race.

But the Covenant aren't a race their a collection of races to make up the Covenant

the Precursors are the most powerful race. They came to earth to find us and used an evolution accelorator and made the hums really smart and they became the forruner and build the ark and halos and everything else

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
When the forerunners existed they were the most powerful race in the universe. Just like when the covenant existed they were the most powerful race.

But the Covenant aren't a race their a collection of races to make up the Covenant

the Precursors are the most powerful race. They came to earth to find us and used an evolution accelorator and made the hums really smart and they became the forruner and build the ark and halos and everything else


What makes you think this?

  • 07.05.2009 8:23 PM PDT
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there was alot of viral going on before halo 3. if you read all of it it talks about. i will be happy to link it to you when i find it. there was a thread awhile ago and the Rainbow Theory also talks about it

  • 07.05.2009 8:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dathomsta
Posted by: xSpartan 062
When the forerunners existed they were the most powerful race in the universe. Just like when the covenant existed they were the most powerful race.

But the Covenant aren't a race their a collection of races to make up the Covenant


You know what I meant. Their the most powerful empire at the time of their existence.

Also there is zero proof to say that Forerunners and Precursors existed during the same time period. The forerunners even talked about taking over for the "Mantle" from the Precursors. Perhaps they view the precursors in the same regards that the Covenant view the Forerunners.

For all we know the Flood could have existed since the time of the Precursors. I mean there had to be some reason that they ceased to exist. I doubt it they used Halo installations but something wiped them out and with them being on Tier Zero of the Technological Achievement Scale being able to rapidly generate evolution, they may have been the true creators of the Flood.

If you read the dialogue between the Librarian and Didact, the Librarian mentions that the reason the war got so out of hand is because of the Forerunner belief in the Precursors and them taking up the Mantle. Maybe the Forerunners simply stumbled onto the Flood (Like the Covenant did) and possibly revered them as mythological at first and because of that belief the Flood were able to gain so much power.

Also we all know that Bungie uses biblical references in their games, well maybe the Flood are called the Flood because every time a civilization gets too powerful (and filled with sin says the Gravemind), the Flood comes and wipes them out.


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  • 07.06.2009 6:36 AM PDT

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Actually; the Halo bible reference there is that the Flood is the oncoming wave that is going to kill everyone. The Ark is the safe haven from them, like Noah's was from the flood.

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Exactly that's my point. But we must ask ourselves why there was a Flood in the bible? Because man grew too sinful and in the case of Halo the Forerunners grew too powerful and like the gravemind said they paid for their sins. Well the Flood returned to combat humans and the covenant when disturbed and the gravemind said that humans must pay because the sins of the father passes to the son. Well could it be possible that the Precursors created the Flood and that is the reason they are no longer in the universe at the time of the Forerunners and history simply repeated itself?

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  • 07.06.2009 9:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
Exactly that's my point. But we must ask ourselves why there was a Flood in the bible? Because man grew too sinful and in the case of Halo the Forerunners grew too powerful and like the gravemind said they paid for their sins. Well the Flood returned to combat humans and the covenant when disturbed and the gravemind said that humans must pay because the sins of the father passes to the son. Well what if the Precursors made the flood using their advanced technology and that is the reason they were no longer in the universe at the time of the forerunners?


Here's something interesting:
"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed." -The Gravemind, Halo 3

The Gravemind even thinks of himself as water.

  • 07.06.2009 9:34 AM PDT
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Ok this proves my point. The Forerunners DID NOT create the Flood. This information is from Halopedia and it states "The Flood is an extremely adaptive, dangerous, and expendable parasitic lifeform that was originally encountered in the Milky Way Galaxy by the Forerunners on planet G617 g1 by a Forerunner pioneer group." This means that the Flood must have been created or had existed prior to the Forerunners.

Source- http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood

  • 07.06.2009 9:45 AM PDT
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  • 07.06.2009 9:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: BOB570
Reach was glassed, the end.


Irrelevant to the conversation at hand. No one here believes it is Reach.

  • 07.06.2009 9:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: xSpartan 062
Ok this proves my point. The Forerunners DID NOT create the Flood. This information is from Halopedia and it states "The Flood is an extremely adaptive, dangerous, and expendable parasitic lifeform that was originally encountered in the Milky Way Galaxy by the Forerunners on planet G617 g1 by a Forerunner pioneer group." This means that the Flood must have been created or had existed prior to the Forerunners.

Source- http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood

You don't even need to use halopedia
"I have beaten fleets of thousands! Consumed a galaxy of flesh and mind and bone!" - The Gravemind, Halo 3

Obvious?

  • 07.06.2009 10:01 AM PDT
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I am using the source to prove that they existed before the Forerunners.

  • 07.06.2009 10:04 AM PDT