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Subject: M6D versus BR

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Who wants BOTH guns to be back in Halo Reach?
Nobody would whine (except balance-obsessed people), and it would all work out in the end.

Discuss.

  • 07.04.2009 9:56 AM PDT

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Only if the Carbine comes back (and the M6D is 5-shot kill)

  • 07.04.2009 9:57 AM PDT
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M6D is Halo 1 pistol, right?

  • 07.04.2009 9:57 AM PDT
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Your friendly and eccentric Sangheili forum-poster. :)

It would be good in campaign if we had every single weapon ever made in the Halo Universe. All those balance obsessed people wouldn't have to worry about it if the weapons don't get put in matchmaking.

  • 07.04.2009 10:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Brodboat
M6D is Halo 1 pistol, right?

Yes, it is.

A 5-shot kill with the pistol? That's only slightly more powerful than the M6G, the Halo 3 pistol. No thank you, maybe 4 shots. A balance idea: Since the barrel is not nearly as long, remove the scope, keep auto, the power, but largely reduce accuracy, maybe as accurate as the AR. That works. Some may even call it the "CQBR", lulz.

  • 07.04.2009 10:02 AM PDT

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As I recall, Battle Rifles were already in service when Halo 1 came out time line wise. So it COULD be possible. :)

  • 07.04.2009 10:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: DTA MoonDawg
As I recall, Battle Rifles were already in service when Halo 1 came out time line wise. So it COULD be possible. :)

Somebody agrees with me. Everybody would have their gun, and nobody would whine.
But then again, than would put the waaahmbulance drivers out of a job!

  • 07.04.2009 10:07 AM PDT

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Well since the novel 'Contact Harvest' concreted the battle rifle in (even though it was a prototype at the time) i think its only safe to assume it'll be in Halo Reach, and the pistol due to balance issues probably will be there but either no scope or damage deduction.

Because if you've got the Combat Evolved M6D then why would you ever pick up a battle rifle?? especially when you spawn with the pistol?

  • 07.04.2009 10:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Johnny Badfinger
Well since the novel 'Contact Harvest' concreted the battle rifle in (even though it was a prototype at the time) i think its only safe to assume it'll be in Halo Reach, and the pistol due to balance issues probably will be there but either no scope or damage deduction.

Because if you've got the Combat Evolved M6D then why would you ever pick up a battle rifle?? especially when you spawn with the pistol?

I'd say I'd be fine without the scope, but damage reduction? Come on, UNSC! The pistol with slightly less accuracy, the auto, and the power would be a win.

  • 07.04.2009 10:12 AM PDT

Okay people.

The battle rifle is way to overpowered. I have gotten bultures using it.

Now if it was toned down, then it would be acceptable, and same with the pistol.

The Carbine should be there too

  • 07.04.2009 10:14 AM PDT

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Don't piss off MLG, I don't like them, but they will stalk you if the BR gets nerfed. I wouldnt like it nerfed, keep the 4-shot ability. Really.
Make them 2 weapons for 2 ranges.

  • 07.04.2009 10:18 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

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Posted by: Brodboat
M6D is Halo 1 pistol, right?

Yes, it is.

A 5-shot kill with the pistol? That's only slightly more powerful than the M6G, the Halo 3 pistol. No thank you, maybe 4 shots. A balance idea: Since the barrel is not nearly as long, remove the scope, keep auto, the power, but largely reduce accuracy, maybe as accurate as the AR. That works. Some may even call it the "CQBR", lulz.

You know if the BR doesnt 4 shot, the M6G in Halo 3 can kill the other player before he 5 shots right?

Also, you should HAVE to scope in order to shoot with the Sniper, no-scoping may take skill SOMETIMES, but in general that "lucky no-scope" ruins Sniper games.
I think all headshot weapons need to be nurfed actually, the BR to a 6-7 shot kill, Magnum can stay at 5 (it is fair there) and the Carbine to a 10-12 shot kill. This would force players to combine them with other weapons, use all your firepower to win. (that being said, yes the AR, SMG, and Spiker should be nurfed as well.)

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  • 07.04.2009 10:19 AM PDT
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The M6D should be your starting sidearm but the BR should be better than it at long range.

  • 07.04.2009 10:23 AM PDT

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The BR doesn't need to be nerfed, neither does the M6D. Just remove the M6D's scope, and you've got it, Bungie. I like it with the scope, but the BR fanboys won't have it in the game with a scope.

  • 07.04.2009 10:24 AM PDT
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The BR needs a six burst kill instead of four and more accurate shots with no spread. This would make the BR better at long range then it is now but the longer time to kill would make it almost useless in CQC. It would be strictly medium to long range. The same with the Carbine.

The M6D would be a five shot kill and the scope should be removed. It would be a medium range weapon with the ability to function but not dominate at long and close range. Where as the Battle rifle dominates at long range(aside from the Snipers) and is useless in close quarts.

Just a thought.

  • 07.04.2009 10:42 AM PDT

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I disagree. The M6D should be a good CQB weapon, and the BR should be the long range weapon. Both would be effective at medium range.

  • 07.04.2009 10:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: CookieMan
I disagree. The M6D should be a good CQB weapon, and the BR should be the long range weapon. Both would be effective at medium range.


Yes but with what I said it gives the Pistol the ability to be your starting secondary weapon and protect you from campers that are outside of the AR range.

  • 07.04.2009 10:48 AM PDT

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If it's a camper, it's within AR range.

  • 07.04.2009 10:49 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

I think they should boost the PR and PP enough to balance with the AR and Magnum, then allow you to choose which starting weapon between AR, and PR, and secondary between Magnum, and PP.

  • 07.04.2009 10:56 AM PDT

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Good idea. Make a thread about it.

  • 07.04.2009 10:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: CookieMan
If it's a camper, it's within AR range.


I meant spawn camper

  • 07.04.2009 11:04 AM PDT

I will burn down their houses.

At the very least the BR should be a semi like the carbine. 10 shots to kill, as fast as you can pull the trigger.

Posted by: CookieMan
Don't piss off MLG, I don't like them, but they will stalk you if the BR gets nerfed. I wouldnt like it nerfed, keep the 4-shot ability. Really.
Make them 2 weapons for 2 ranges.

  • 07.04.2009 11:05 AM PDT
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I want all the guns back and some new ones

  • 07.04.2009 11:09 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I will burn down their houses.

At the very least the BR should be a semi like the carbine. 10 shots to kill, as fast as you can pull the trigger.

Posted by: CookieMan
Don't piss off MLG, I don't like them, but they will stalk you if the BR gets nerfed. I wouldnt like it nerfed, keep the 4-shot ability. Really.
Make them 2 weapons for 2 ranges.

The reason it is NOT Semi Auto is because they had to make the weapons different.

  • 07.04.2009 11:15 AM PDT

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But in all respects, the M6D should be back!

  • 07.04.2009 12:04 PM PDT