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It is becoming increasingly obvious that the vast majority of the people on this forum starting playing Halo September 25, 2007, AKA the day Halo 3 was released. You have little experience with the Halo franchise and think it would be cool if Halo turned into a reskinned version of a title already on the market. Which is odd because you could simply proceed to play said game series instead.

Why would you want Halo to be class based or involve custom classes with customizable weapons that you can select at the start of the match? Have you once in your life ever played a simple match of Halo? Did you notice that mean guy who repeatedly killed you with the rockets, laser, sniper or shotgun? He had those powerful weapons because he rushed to them and took control of them. That is the point of Halo, to control a map specific set of power weapons in order to control the map. When you introduce selectable starting weapons you remove that aspect of the game, hence you are no longer playing a Halo game. No matter what the weapons and player models look like this is not a Halo game, your eyes would in fact be playing a cruel trick on you if you saw Halo related objects in a game featuring selectable starting weapons and/or classes.

Why would you want a cover system in Halo? For one the game is set to play too fast for that, you would be immediately be out maneuvered and killed and two a first person cover system would not work online. Even a game called Killzone 2 for the PS3 features a first person cover system but they disabled it for online for good reason.

What is the point of a combat knife or metallic sword? Hello this is the future. Our cyborg super soldier Spartans and their enemy fearsome enemies the Elites both feature metallic armor protected by an energy shield. This is not Lord of the Rings, Human swords became useless centuries ago.

So you want to sprint huh? Guess what a Spartan is always sprinting in game. If the movement wasn't slowed down so much for Halo 3 then even someone like you would be able to understand that.

So their you have it. All of your misguided attempts to ask for a completely generic experience are ridiculous. Had you played the previous Halo games you would have realized Halo is a great unique experience that does not need to be changed.

  • 07.04.2009 5:56 PM PDT
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I hope we never see any of that stuff in Halo. Amen. But do you think those people will read your post?

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Um all of what you stated was an opinion. Exactly like the people who post that they want this or that feature. I've been playing Halo since Halo 1 and i would personally like to see a class based Halo. Don't tell people what to think.

EDIT Title reminds me of a certain guy on youtube. ;)

[Edited on 07.04.2009 6:05 PM PDT]

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  • 07.04.2009 6:02 PM PDT
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TLDR;

I hate change. Vague assumptions. Halo 3.5.

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Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

And before you ask, yes, I have played through all 3 games. Yes, I have completed them on Legendary. Yes, I have played the multiplayer of all 3 games. Yes, I know everything there is to know about the games, I know the secrets, the stories, the weapons, the vehicles. As said before, if you want the same game... Keep playing Halo 3, and stop trying to get Bungie to make a .5 out of everything.

[Edited on 07.04.2009 6:09 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 6:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Honourable Elite
Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years
I think you too are missing the point. He's referring to gameplay. Halo 2 and 3 were nearly identical save for a few new weapons and equipment. Obviously pelican support would be stupid, and stealing a mechanic from another game. Although who's to say bungie doesn't want to go into another direction with the Halo games. Bring in the true bar for next gen gameplay. I assure you, if there isn't anything new in future Halo games people will stop buying them. They want something new when they buy a game. Not the same old same old they saw in the previous games. Whether that's something as big as a gameplay overhaul or a simply a new feature. Just because you guys are "long time fans" doesn't mean we have to think exactly the way you do. (Authors note: I've been playing since Halo CE so don't pull that one)

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
Posted by: Honourable Elite
Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years


Finally more Human beings that don't see not wanting Call of Duty: Cyborg Warfare to exist a sign of a fear of change.

BTW Spartan after reading your edit I cant stop hearing a shrieking -blam!- voice shouting "leave halo alone!" damn you

  • 07.04.2009 6:19 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

Keep Halo as Halo. That is all I want. I didn't go out and buy any CoD games because its the same -blam!- over and over with slightly different graphics. CoD5 barely looks different from CoD2. That is sad.

When comparing Halo 2 and Halo 3 you definitely see a difference in looks and feel. I don't want classes, knives, cover system, or anything else that would in no way feel Haloesque. Halo is meant for a much more open battle. In Halo you need to take positions in order to win. The people asking for squad based Halo obviously never really tried to work with their teammates before.

I personally enjoy running to the weapon I want. No harm done. I go and I kill. Sure, in CoD I would have started with the weapon. But what if I wanted to change during battle. I have to either kill someone with the specific weapon I want or die and switch.

The weapons in CoD games don't even really differ from each other. MP44=AK47=SGT=Thompson=Type 100. They hardly do anything different. That is just sad.

Cover system is the dumbest idea I've ever heard for a Halo game. I'm a 7 foot super soldier with energy shields hiding behind a damn rock...

Even if you did need to take cover, all you have to do is run to the nearest thing big enough to hide you and crouch.

  • 07.04.2009 6:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years
I think you too are missing the point. He's referring to gameplay. Halo 2 and 3 were nearly identical save for a few new weapons and equipment. Obviously pelican support would be stupid, and stealing a mechanic from another game. Although who's to say bungie doesn't want to go into another direction with the Halo games. Bring in the true bar for next gen gameplay. I assure you, if there isn't anything new in future Halo games people will stop buying them. They want something new when they buy a game. Not the same old same old they saw in the previous games. Whether that's something as big as a gameplay overhaul or a simply a new feature. Just because you guys are "long time fans" doesn't mean we have to think exactly the way you do. (Authors note: I've been playing since Halo CE so don't pull that one)

Last time I checked they already set the bar for next gen. Anyhing they make now would just raise it even further. CoD still hasn't caught up with Halo 3. But who can blame them when they come out with a new game every year with the same thing. Halo 3 and Halo 2 play pretty similar because they are Halo. Why fix something that isn't broken is the common term I keep hearing for this. Sure they could add maybe a few things, but they should definitely keep gameplay the same. It works, its fun, and it doesn't cost you a new game a year to enjoy.

  • 07.04.2009 6:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years
I think you too are missing the point. He's referring to gameplay. Halo 2 and 3 were nearly identical save for a few new weapons and equipment. Obviously pelican support would be stupid, and stealing a mechanic from another game. Although who's to say bungie doesn't want to go into another direction with the Halo games. Bring in the true bar for next gen gameplay. I assure you, if there isn't anything new in future Halo games people will stop buying them. They want something new when they buy a game. Not the same old same old they saw in the previous games. Whether that's something as big as a gameplay overhaul or a simply a new feature. Just because you guys are "long time fans" doesn't mean we have to think exactly the way you do. (Authors note: I've been playing since Halo CE so don't pull that one)


...you just missed the point. I said, he doesn't want them to repackage Halo 3, but he doesn't want these ridiculous ideas people have. They can add a whole bunch of new stuff if they want, if it's all in the same theme. For example, taking someone as a hostage shield is not Halo, but something like adding equipment to Halo 3, is. I don't really know how to explain it.

PS: Halo 2 and Halo 3 are nowhere close to identical.

  • 07.04.2009 6:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years

Yes, and I'm not exactly a big fan of copying and pasting the exact same stuff from a different game either. I'm just saying a few good changes to the gameplay would be better than just having an upgraded Halo 3, which was an upgraded Halo 2. And yes, I did play Halo 2 back in the day. I had overall a much better experience than I ever did with Halo 3.

Heck I'll admit my first match on Halo 3 was really good, but that feeling I got then I had on just about every match on Halo 2. During the closing days of Halo 2, the engine was starting to show age, when you looked at other games being released around it. I know, they were Xbox 360 games, that was an Xbox game. But it was still starting to show age, a game that had better graphics, and gameplay, than most of the first Xbox 360 games. Now Halo 3 has pretty average graphics and gameplay compared to most Xbox 360 games out now, because it was pretty much the exact same thing as Halo 2, just a few minor tweaks here and there, which is something which is done to PC games through modding all the time.

As said before in some of my previous posts I know a lot of people play and enjoy Halo 3. But if you stopped playing it and read through the amount of things that were cut from both Halo 2 and 3, you'll see that Halo 3 has a lot more "could have been" than "it is". I want to be very clear on this when I say it, I do NOT want a Halo Call of Duty. I want a change that will make the game feel totally new while having a small familiar feeling about it at the same time. I don't want to call in for Pelican/Phantom support every time I get 10 kills or whatever, I most certainly DON'T want a class system. I've already said why in a previous thread, it would completely eliminate the point of Forge, Custom Games and putting weapons on maps altogether. Plus everyone will be picking the BR and Sniper Rifle all the time which will make having any other weapon in the multiplayer totally pointless.

[Edited on 07.04.2009 6:39 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 6:34 PM PDT

Oh yeah It's Rayzed.

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Posted by: Honourable Elite
Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years

Yes, and I'm not exactly a big fan of copying and pasting the exact same stuff from a different game either. I'm just saying a few good changes to the gameplay would be better than just having an upgraded Halo 3, which was an upgraded Halo 2. And yes, I did play Halo 2 back in the day. I had overall a much better experience than I ever did with Halo 3.

Heck I'll admit my first match on Halo 3 was really good, but that feeling I got then I had on just about every match on Halo 2. During the closing days of Halo 2, the engine was starting to show age, when you looked at other games being released around it. I know, they were Xbox 360 games, that was an Xbox game. But it was still starting to show age, a game that had better graphics, and gameplay, than most of the first Xbox 360 games. Now Halo 3 has pretty average graphics and gameplay compared to most Xbox 360 games out now, because it was pretty much the exact same thing as Halo 2, just a few minor tweaks here and there, which is something which is done to PC games through modding all the time.

As said before in some of my previous posts I know a lot of people play and enjoy Halo 3. But if you stopped playing it and read through the amount of things that were cut from both Halo 2 and 3, you'll see that Halo 3 has a lot more "could have been" than "it is".

Halo 3s graphics are to me way better than almost any game on the 360. They don't look like someone ate a character then threw up or look like chewed gum (like GoW and CoD. You know its true). Halo 3s graphics are beautifully rendered. Look at the enviromental textures compared to that of CoD and GoW. Halo really makes them look ugly.

The character models look better too. Sure, they are wearing helmets. But the helmets hold such mysterious personalities. They could be funny. They could be serious. In CoD the face is only one thing. Ugly.

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Posted by: Raylette
Last time I checked they already set the bar for next gen. Anyhing they make now would just raise it even further. CoD still hasn't caught up with Halo 3. But who can blame them when they come out with a new game every year with the same thing. Halo 3 and Halo 2 play pretty similar because they are Halo. Why fix something that isn't broken is the common term I keep hearing for this. Sure they could add maybe a few things, but they should definitely keep gameplay the same. It works, its fun, and it doesn't cost you a new game a year to enjoy.
Uh THIS generation they haven't come close to what's been established graphically. I could list several games that set the bar for graphics (Need i even utter the word Crysis ?) I completely agree that we shouldn't fix something that isn't broken, but adding new elements to the game (Nothing ridiculous like pelican support or a cover system, and I'm not talking small changes either). As far as i would go would be a class system, but that's just a personal want. Really though it's pointless to argue about such petty things, because it's really up to bungie where they want to go with the franchise. I respect that you want the game to stay the same, and i do too. I would just like new additions and such so that we aren't buying the same thing over and over again.

EDIT We also have to be prepared for the inevitable day where microsoft will milk the cow so much we end up getting Super halo cart racing warefare 2 : Aerosmith.

[Edited on 07.04.2009 6:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 6:43 PM PDT
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There are plenty of things Halo can do right know to create a better gameplay experience without turning into a copy of all the other crap on the market.

Though before I see new gameplay features I want to previous ones done right. Dual wielding and equipment need some serious work. The aim assist on shooting and melee is just ridiculous.

We need more unique maps. Map with map specific things like the gates on Containment, The train on Terminal or the Teleporter on Relic.

There are so many weapons and vehicles in the game yet we continuously see the same ones. If Bungie got the balance right we could see every map with a completely unique weapon set.

We need maps for everything ranging in size from a 1v1 map to possibly a 16v16 map and maps designed for certain gametypes. The majority of the maps would still be for 4v4 or 8v8 but variety would be great.

  • 07.04.2009 6:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Raylette
Last time I checked they already set the bar for next gen. Anyhing they make now would just raise it even further. CoD still hasn't caught up with Halo 3. But who can blame them when they come out with a new game every year with the same thing. Halo 3 and Halo 2 play pretty similar because they are Halo. Why fix something that isn't broken is the common term I keep hearing for this. Sure they could add maybe a few things, but they should definitely keep gameplay the same. It works, its fun, and it doesn't cost you a new game a year to enjoy.
Uh THIS generation they haven't come close to what's been established graphically. I could list several games that set the bar for graphics (Need i even utter the word Crysis ?) I completely agree that we shouldn't fix something that isn't broken, but adding new elements to the game (Nothing ridiculous like pelican support or a cover system, and I'm not talking small changes either). As far as i would go would be a class system, but that's just a personal want. Really though it's pointless to argue about such petty things, because it's really up to bungie where they want to go with the franchise. I respect that you want the game to stay the same, and i do too. I would just like new additions and such so that we aren't buying the same thing over and over again.

EDIT We also have to be prepared for the inevitable day where microsoft will milk the cow so much we end up getting Super halo cart racing warefare 2 : Aerosmith.

Can't argue with the Microsoft thing. They've already started the milking.

You said it so calmly and didn't flame that I'm just going to agree with you.

  • 07.04.2009 6:49 PM PDT

I can't understand people who say Halo 3 is Halo 2.5. I was actually playing Customs on Halo 2 last night and I couldn't believe how different it was. You can just tell by playing the games side by side that the mechanics are completely differrent. Oh and I like how the people who call Halo 2 and 3 the same don't mention anything about Forge, Theatre, and online stats the three things that revolutionized FPS since Halo 3's release.

Obviosuly Halo is going to stay the same, becaue its Halo. I could not have said it ANY more perfectly than the OP did. Great thread.

  • 07.04.2009 6:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan 90210
Posted by: Raylette
Last time I checked they already set the bar for next gen. Anyhing they make now would just raise it even further. CoD still hasn't caught up with Halo 3. But who can blame them when they come out with a new game every year with the same thing. Halo 3 and Halo 2 play pretty similar because they are Halo. Why fix something that isn't broken is the common term I keep hearing for this. Sure they could add maybe a few things, but they should definitely keep gameplay the same. It works, its fun, and it doesn't cost you a new game a year to enjoy.
Uh THIS generation they haven't come close to what's been established graphically. I could list several games that set the bar for graphics (Need i even utter the word Crysis ?) I completely agree that we shouldn't fix something that isn't broken, but adding new elements to the game (Nothing ridiculous like pelican support or a cover system, and I'm not talking small changes either). As far as i would go would be a class system, but that's just a personal want. Really though it's pointless to argue about such petty things, because it's really up to bungie where they want to go with the franchise. I respect that you want the game to stay the same, and i do too. I would just like new additions and such so that we aren't buying the same thing over and over again.

EDIT We also have to be prepared for the inevitable day where microsoft will milk the cow so much we end up getting Super halo cart racing warefare 2 : Aerosmith.


Could you just give us an example or two of what could change the series in the manner you want.

  • 07.04.2009 6:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

You're missing the point. He's not saying put new graphics into Halo 3 and call it Halo 4, he's saying don't reinvent the game. Like, we don't need pelican support after 7 kills, like so many people are suggesting.

And if you really think Halo 3 is just Halo 2.5, you clearly never played Halo 2 on Xbox Live during its prime years

Yes, and I'm not exactly a big fan of copying and pasting the exact same stuff from a different game either. I'm just saying a few good changes to the gameplay would be better than just having an upgraded Halo 3, which was an upgraded Halo 2. And yes, I did play Halo 2 back in the day. I had overall a much better experience than I ever did with Halo 3.

Heck I'll admit my first match on Halo 3 was really good, but that feeling I got then I had on just about every match on Halo 2. During the closing days of Halo 2, the engine was starting to show age, when you looked at other games being released around it. I know, they were Xbox 360 games, that was an Xbox game. But it was still starting to show age, a game that had better graphics, and gameplay, than most of the first Xbox 360 games. Now Halo 3 has pretty average graphics and gameplay compared to most Xbox 360 games out now, because it was pretty much the exact same thing as Halo 2, just a few minor tweaks here and there, which is something which is done to PC games through modding all the time.

As said before in some of my previous posts I know a lot of people play and enjoy Halo 3. But if you stopped playing it and read through the amount of things that were cut from both Halo 2 and 3, you'll see that Halo 3 has a lot more "could have been" than "it is".

Halo 3s graphics are to me way better than almost any game on the 360. They don't look like someone ate a character then threw up or look like chewed gum (like GoW and CoD. You know its true). Halo 3s graphics are beautifully rendered. Look at the enviromental textures compared to that of CoD and GoW. Halo really makes them look ugly.

The character models look better too. Sure, they are wearing helmets. But the helmets hold such mysterious personalities. They could be funny. They could be serious. In CoD the face is only one thing. Ugly.

The humans were the most off putting thing to look at while playing Halo 3. They have no detail on their faces whatsoever, it just looks like they're made of clay. While I'll appreciate it trying to stray away from the usual "dull and grey" appearance most games have these days, the graphics overall still aren't what I would call "good". Reason being is because of what it could have been, yet again. There seems to be a certain E3 2006 trailer that comes into mind when I say that.

  • 07.04.2009 6:54 PM PDT

Posted by: BJISADIRTYJAP

So their you have it. All of your misguided attempts to ask for a completely generic experience are ridiculous. Had you played the previous Halo games you would have realized Halo is a great unique experience that does not need to be changed.



I can almost understand where you're coming from, but there are things you have to understand. Halo is ever evolving, ever changing. While sometimes it goes in the direction already paved by other games, it often makes its own. Whether it be new or old things that halo utilizes in its gameplay, the game will change, for better or worse.

It is true that most of the community doesn't even know what they want, which is why we leave it to the experts. It doesn't mean we can't have input.

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Posted by: Bullet _ Sponge
Could you just give us an example or two of what could change the series in the manner you want.
A class based weapon system (Weapons only though, no variation in armor or anything else just what you're shooting with), and larger scale battles in multiplayer. This is what i would want, but we all have to realize here that we have virtually no influence on the game regarding certain subjects. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.

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Posted by: Spartan 90210
Posted by: Bullet _ Sponge
Could you just give us an example or two of what could change the series in the manner you want.
A class based weapon system (Weapons only though, no variation in armor or anything else just what you're shooting with), and larger scale battles in multiplayer. This is what i would want, but we all have to realize here that we have virtually no influence on the game regarding certain subjects. Just sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.
Yes but a class based system of any kind would absolutely destroy the previously established fundamentals of Halo.

[Edited on 07.04.2009 7:09 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 7:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
I voted "not really", it was the exact same thing I was thinking when I read the title. The reason why is because, well. It's more than one reason to be honest.

People will start calling it a "Call of Duty rip off". And in this case, I would tend to agree. While I would welcome any drastic changes to gameplay Bungie have to offer with open arms, a Class System won't be one of them I'm afraid.

Another reason is because we have Forge now, and if we had a class system, it would completely eliminate a key point of having Forge and Custom Games, and even having weapons on the maps altogether.

Call of Duty 4, while having a great campaign and multiplayer experience (despite the campaign being really short), has an annoying issue with multiplayer. And that is everyone and their mothers have sniper rifles. I know what you're all thinking... I've been owned way too much by the sniper rifle. No, it's not because of that. It's because whenever I pick up a sniper rifle in that game, it no longer feels satisfying to get a kill with the thing, because everyone is killing their enemies in the exact same way. In short, the BR and Sniper Rifle are Halo's "pro" weapons, right? The same thing will happen. Everyone will pick the BR and Sniper Rifle as a starting weapon, and no one will get to use the other weapons, making them completely pointless in even being in the game's multiplayer.

I'm all for modifying weapons and such, but only for the campaign experience. Truth be told, I care mostly about the campaign. But the multiplayer is something I have to take into account since it's something me and my friends will be playing together once it is released.


But it really isn't classes just look. It would only be these three character models. And you don't choose your starting weapons or anything like that just how much armor you put on. That would effect health, sprinting, and movement betweenthe given ranges for each model.




The class system I listed isn't even really classes just character models with some uniqe traits. They have different starting weapons that's all. You still run around pick up weapons and do whatever it's basically the same gameplay. Except you won't want to get too close to a Brute, and Spartans are quick. I don't care if you take sprinting away. This could really make for some fun and interesting gameplay. Matchmaking may end up a little more like custom games because you can change your stats based on how much armor you put on. Stats still wouldn't change that much though.




Idea for classes. Actually more like character models with traits.


Classification: Spartan
Starting Weapons: Assault Rife & Battle Rifle
Max Carrying Capacity: 2 weapons, 2 grenades, 1 equipment
Min-Max Armor Weight: 475-500 lbs
Min-Max Speed: 120-145%
Sprint Speed: 150-165%
Sprint TIme: 15 seconds
Sprint Recovery Time: 7 seconds
Shield Strength: 100%
Shield Recovery Time: 7 seconds
Meele Strength: 125%
Min-Max Jump Height: 4-10 feet
Health: 115-125%


Classification: Elite
Starting Weapons: Plasma Rifle & Carbine
Max Carrying Capacity: 2 weapons, 2 grenades, 1 equipment
Min-Max Armor Weight: 500-525 lbs
Min-Max Speed: 115-135%
Sprint Speed: 140-150%
Sprint Time: 10 seconds
Sprint Recovery TIme: 10 seconds
Shield Strength: 110%
Shield Recovery Time: 5 seconds
Meele Strength: 135%
Min-Max Jump Height: 3-7 feet
Health: 115-125%

Classification: Brute
Starting Weapons: Spiker & ?
Max Carrying Capacity: 2 weapons, 2 grenades, 1 equipment
Min-Max Armor Weight: 525-550 lbs
Min-Max Speed: 110-120%
Sprint Speed:125-135%
Sprint Time: 15 seconds
Sprint Recovery Time: 5 seconds
Shield Strength: 115%
Shield Recovery Time: 9 seconds
Meele Strength: 150%
Min-Max Jump Height: 1-3 feet
Health: 125-145%

Traits like speed, jump height, and health change depending on how much armor you put on your model. And each trait changes between the given ranges. For example:
Min-Max Speed: 115-135%
In custom games you can change the statistics even further for each model.


[Edited on 07.04.2009 7:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 7:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bullet _ Sponge
Yes but a class based system of any kind would absolutely destroy the previously established fundamentals of Halo.
Perhaps you view it as such, but i happen to see it as an evolution of the gameplay. BTW the fundamentals of Halo are guns, grenades, and melee. ;)

  • 07.04.2009 7:15 PM PDT