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I want halo reach to have better graphics and a better campaign story as far as new tactics i think they are fine how they are.

Also a better spawning system

[Edited on 07.04.2009 10:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2009 10:13 PM PDT
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Why don't you level 50's out there, when you finally decide to apply for colleges...why don't you put that you were a level 50 on your application. And put it on your job resume, too. See how much it matters, and how much people care.

i hate when people say halo is the game play.

it's not, at all. if that were true the books wouldn't have done well, halo wars wouldn't have done well ( contrary to popular belief it did) and the live action videos wouldn't have done well either.

What makes halo what it is, is the Story, the characters, the settings.

im not saying i want all of these different ideas. but i definitely wouldn't be opposed to them, not as long as the atmosphere and the characters still feel and act how they should.

Halo is not about the BR. Its not about the Pistol. It's about the humans struggles, both agaisnt the covenant and the flood. and earlier on it was against the insurrectionists.


drives me nuts when people say "the game play is what makes halo, halo"


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Posted by: Swiftt
i hate when people say halo is the game play.

it's not, at all. if that were true the books wouldn't have done well, halo wars wouldn't have done well ( contrary to popular belief it did) and the live action videos wouldn't have done well either.

What makes halo what it is, is the Story, the characters, the settings.

im not saying i want all of these different ideas. but i definitely wouldn't be opposed to them, not as long as the atmosphere and the characters still feel and act how they should.

Halo is not about the BR. Its not about the Pistol. It's about the humans struggles, both agaisnt the covenant and the flood. and earlier on it was against the insurrectionists.


drives me nuts when people say "the game play is what makes halo, halo"


Actually the only reason I play the multiplayer is because of how its set up. Your definition of what makes Halo, Halo is only for the campaign. If Halo reach involved any of those things and a few others I would not buy the game. I would play the Beta and rent it for the campaign for the story. I have read all the books more than once and beaten all three Halos solo on legendary many times. Yet still if any of those things are in the game I would be able to say goodbye to the multiplayer aspect of Halo probably permanently.

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Why would you have the same thing over and over again? Why would you want the exact same game just with a different location? Seems more like an expansion pack than a full game if nothing is changed. If you want the same so much, you can always stick to gee I dunno, the previous 3 games? Time for something revolutionary, immersive and unique. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT paying £50 or $60 for a game that's going to be the exact same as it's previous, I blantantly refuse to pay for a game that has the exact same experience. I play new games for new experiences, new content, not old stuff.

We want a different game, not Halo 3.5. Or, considering that Halo 3 was 2.5, 3.

And before you ask, yes, I have played through all 3 games. Yes, I have completed them on Legendary. Yes, I have played the multiplayer of all 3 games. Yes, I know everything there is to know about the games, I know the secrets, the stories, the weapons, the vehicles. As said before, if you want the same game... Keep playing Halo 3, and stop trying to get Bungie to make a .5 out of everything.
Well good for you because the hundreds of thousands of people who will pay for any halo don't care.

Yeah there's a term for that, it's called being a complete tool. As long as that form of fanboyism exists there will never be any top notch Halo games, just ones done out of the sake of "oh well, we'll be getting our money out of those suckers anyway, so why bother doing anything good".

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Posted by: Swiftt
i hate when people say halo is the game play.

it's not, at all. if that were true the books wouldn't have done well, halo wars wouldn't have done well ( contrary to popular belief it did) and the live action videos wouldn't have done well either.

What makes halo what it is, is the Story, the characters, the settings.

im not saying i want all of these different ideas. but i definitely wouldn't be opposed to them, not as long as the atmosphere and the characters still feel and act how they should.

Halo is not about the BR. Its not about the Pistol. It's about the humans struggles, both agaisnt the covenant and the flood. and earlier on it was against the insurrectionists.


drives me nuts when people say "the game play is what makes halo, halo"

Agreed, the story needs to be told just as good as the books told the story. I've read Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx and have started reading Contact Harvest, and I'm planning on getting the Cole Protocol when I can find the bloody thing (it's hard to get the books where I live). They've all had a very interesting and dramatic story, it makes the game's story look like a complete joke, and this is all because story isn't the main aspect of the game anymore.

  • 07.05.2009 7:02 AM PDT

FINALLY A GUY THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYIN IN THE FORUMS.
HALO should stay HALO. if u like another game so much go and play it dont come up with ideas how u can make HALO more like ur precios camp of duty. Im with ur wise words 110% BJISADIRTYJAP on this man.The HALO story and games are epic. And should stay that way.
it wouldt surprise me if some guy wanted to replace the BR with an M16 and sugest an 1 shot to the body idea...


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  • 07.05.2009 7:08 AM PDT
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Before I see gamplay mechanics directly ripped from some other game series there are many things Bungie could do to create the perfect Halo game. First they should reincorperate dual wielding and equipment in a way that doesn't make most of the weapons useless alone or almost completely pause the game when they are used. Maybe the could increase the player count to 24 or 32.

They should give all maps a unique feature like the teleporters on Bloodgulch, the train on Terminal or the gates on Containment. Maps should range in sizes from 1v1 maps to 32v32. Of course many of the maps would still be 4v4 or 8v8 like most maps now but a few new things would be nice.

They should also lower autoaim and melee lunge to increase the skill gap. Then create a Halo 2 like ranking system to keep people of similar ranks together.

They will most likely add some new features similar to dual wielding, boarding, mounted turrets, support weapon or equipment.

  • 07.05.2009 7:11 AM PDT

You wouldn't get the option to start with rockets, but you would bet your choice between, say, the assault riffle, battle riffle, and plasma riffle.

  • 07.05.2009 7:12 AM PDT

U play camp of duty right?

  • 07.05.2009 7:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: cpage4
You wouldn't get the option to start with rockets, but you would bet your choice between, say, the assault riffle, battle riffle, and plasma riffle.


Starting weapon needs to stay controlled by the gametype.

  • 07.05.2009 7:19 AM PDT

So go wait for ur Camp of Duty moderns way to 2. And let us wait 4 the new Halo games
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Posted by: Leviathan z
U play camp of duty right?

Halo 3 is a campfest as well as Call of Duty. Please don't start such things as this. We're trying to keep it civil.

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Posted by: cpage4
You wouldn't get the option to start with rockets, but you would bet your choice between, say, the assault riffle, battle riffle, and plasma riffle.


Starting weapon needs to stay controlled by the gametype.

I agree there, otherwise there would be no point in custom games. However, I'd like to see more starting weapon options, because they were all the human counterparts, and I couldn't use Plasma Rifle, Carbine or anything like that.

  • 07.05.2009 7:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
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U play camp of duty right?

Halo 3 is a campfest as well as Call of Duty. Please don't start such things as this. We're trying to keep it civil.

Although two well placed frags turn a camper into a corpse in Halo unless there is a shield door then leave and sneak in another way to flank.

  • 07.05.2009 7:25 AM PDT
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Halo. I first played Halo on October (something) 2002. And I've been a fan since. Halo snapped me out of the little gaming world of mine, which at that time revolved around Pokemon and nothing else.

I was 7. And Halo helped pave my life from that on. Not only did it get me into gaming, it made me analyse every bit of the games I played as I possibly could.

Halo CE made me a Gamer.

E3 2003. I skipped school that day, pulled a stunt when I was 8, made a deal with my Aunty (Maid) to not tell my mother and stayed at home. My dad had recently thought me about the internet and I remembered waiting, trying to calculate with my weak 8 year old maths, when the time zones would sync and sure enough, I saw the E3 2003 press showing of Halo 2.

I got scolded like hell that day. My aunty broke her promise and told my mum. But, I didn't feel any of the beating. I was engulfed by the sheer awesomeness of that E3 2003 Demo.

Halo 2. Played it to hell. Had no LIVE then but almost every weekend, friends would come over and it'll be about 5 hours of Halo 2 non-stop. I loved the Halo gameplay so much and it was so refined over what was in the first one.

Halo 3. During the days of the Iris ARG, I skipped school on multiple occasions when I was 12 to follow Iris due to the crazy timezone differences. I even skipped a vital test just for the ARG. And Halo 3 came out right smack in my End of Year examination period. Did I care? No. I was playing Halo 3 as much as I could, indulging in the even more refined awesomeness of it. I initiated the search for Recon Armor on the Bungie Net forums that went on for what, 1000 pages. And when I got LIVE, finally, I didn't need to wait till I got my friends over during the weekends. I was playing nearly everyday and every hour. Halo, all the way.

And yet, here I am. I created this thread here.. It details how I think a Class Based system in Halo should work. And yet, I did not start playing on September 25th 2007. My history with Halo's wonderful gameplay goes long back.

But, you are all saying "Oh but it won't be Halo!". How do you know it? Just because we've had 3 games with the similar gameplay style in a trilogy... They are not even standalone games, They are part of a trilogy!... doesn't mean there can't be a Halo game with a different style of play.

You're starting to see elements of change in Halo 3: ODST, with stealth taking a small role in there. A Class based system shouldn't be seen as a negative, it could very well be the next big evolution of the Halo Universe.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way Halo plays. Its so... fun. I can just jump in and play. But it doesn't mean its futureproof. With games like Call of Duty and Battlefield coming up with amazing Class based combat, the kinks in the armor that is Halo gameplay is starting to show.

Its time for Halo to evolve. This is the next logical step for it to take. And I'm saying this as a fan of Halo. Nothing more. Nothing less.

  • 07.05.2009 7:33 AM PDT

Honorable Elite and the guy before this. Pure bs if u would start with diffrent weapons it would heavily affect gameplay to a none halo way. But why not add perks make the br kill in 1 birst 2 the body replace the AR with the ak-47
start of with tripmines and flashbangs. make the sniper kill in one shot aswell take away medals and the anaucer replace him with white text and killstreak 3, 7, 10 and so on. take away all game modes exept 4 swat add 30 sec motion tracker on 3 killstreak, pelican strike on 5 and call in hornet on 7. Finally take away the spartans (normal soldiers r cooler than the 9 feet super soldier trained from the age of 6 to kill) take away all viecles and forunner maps and replace them with cloudy russian ruined villages and bombed citys. PAOW The perfect halo in ur eyes -.-

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  • 07.05.2009 7:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Leviathan z
Honorable Elite and the guy before this. Pure bs if u would start with diffrent weapons it would heavily affect gameplay to a none halo way. But why not add perks make the br kill in 1 birst 2 the body replace the AR with the ak-47
start of with tripmines and flashbangs. make the sniper kill in one shot aswell take away medals and the anaucer replace him with white text and killstreak 3, 7, 10 and so on. take away all game modes exept 4 swat add 30 sec motion tracker on 3 killstreak, pelican strike on 5 and call in hornet on 7. Finally take away the spartans (normal soldiers r cooler than the 9 feet super soldier trained from the age of 6 to kill) take away all viecles and forunner maps and replace them with cloudy russian ruined villages and bombed citys. PAOW The perfect halo in ur eyes -.-


God. Seriously dude, you're all claiming that it won't be the 'Halo Way'. What's the -blam!- Halo way? There is no "Halo Way". Its just been like this for the trilogy and there is no reason why a different style of gameplay can be applied for a a new Halo title outside of the main trilogy.

  • 07.05.2009 7:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sanjeev
You're starting to see elements of change in Halo 3: ODST, with stealth taking a small role in there. A Class based system shouldn't be seen as a negative, it could very well be the next big evolution of the Halo Universe.

Don't get me wrong, I love the way Halo plays. Its so... fun. I can just jump in and play. But it doesn't mean its futureproof. With games like Call of Duty and Battlefield coming up with amazing Class based combat, the kinks in the armor that is Halo gameplay is starting to show.

Its time for Halo to evolve. This is the next logical step for it to take. And I'm saying this as a fan of Halo. Nothing more. Nothing less.


First you can run in gun in Halo ODST and its campaign only. I have no problem with the campaign going through some bigger changes as long as we still have the option to run and gun.

What kinks in the armor that is Halo? Halo has always been the most played game on a console. Halo 2 was always #1 on the top 10 most played on xbox live and right now Halo 3 is. Do you realize how small the online populations are in most of the PS3 exclusives are? They are not horrible but they are definitely lacking. Obviously Halo is the game doing something right. So it should stay that way.

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The only logical thing for Bungie to do is perfect what they have started and give us an amazing experience unlike anything we have seen before.

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  • 07.05.2009 8:05 AM PDT

The thing here is halo is probably the most skilled based FPS game in the world. Cuz when we all spawn on the map we have the same weapons depending on gametype. There is no guy that runs extra fast shots extra hard jumps higher beats harder halo is epic in so many ways there is no other game like halo. even tho i guy sneaks up behind u u can kill him if u play ur cards right. i do get tho want u guys r tryin to say but it would just mess up serios ranked games like team slayer, mlg or doubles. It would give lesser skilled players a chance to kill u the cheap way over and over again. instead of working on becoming better at the game. The things u r talking about would maybie work in big team social or such but it would turn the whole halo thing upside down and flush it down the toilet, maybie more cod and gears players would crawl into it when they can get some kills, but some old fans would lose there intresst and go back to halo 3...

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  • 07.05.2009 8:08 AM PDT
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I know how well Halo 3 and hell, even Halo 2 is doing right now on Xbox LIVE. When I meant kinks in the armor is that, this really simple style of gameplay is going to run its course soon. I'm no analyst and well, even if Halo were to stay in the same type of gameplay, It would be just fine.

But as a Halo fan, I want to see some change. I've played Halo as a badass, both in Singleplayer and in the Multi player. I want a more 'Down to Earth' Halo experience, something I believe the current gameplay model can give me. I want the next step and in fact, probably Bungie's final step in Halo, to be a complete departure from what the Halo trilogy has been because it has the opportunity to be as such, not being tied with the main trilogy.

  • 07.05.2009 8:15 AM PDT
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Well thats unfortunate you want more because I believe we shouldn't fix whats not broken. Bungie can only loose fans by creating something Halo hasn't been for the past three games. The best move for them is to simply improve what they have started not put another class based game on the market.

  • 07.05.2009 8:21 AM PDT
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I still think Bungie's missing a huge opportunity to change the gameplay style with Reach and I hope they just follow their heart. Regardless of whether they change it or not, I'm still a fan.

And its useless even trying to talk about this on the forums since you get two extremes in terms of a reaction.

  • 07.05.2009 8:24 AM PDT

Explain how ranked playlists would work or ranking system that makes since. What would happen to MLG, it feels like u guys just think about possibilities and forget about how it would be to get smashed in close combat just cuz the guy plays as a brute, how a spartan outruns u cuz u cant sprint as good cuz u r elite/brute or how elites and spartans can jump over obstacles that brutes has to run around u need 2 rethink man... and if ur a fan how comes that u want to make halo into something CoD/WoW. i do lissen and answer to ur ideas but i get the feeling u r one of those guys that prefer infection and big team over MLG and Team Slayer...

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  • 07.05.2009 8:34 AM PDT

Time flies like an arrow; fruits flies like a banana.

I thought this was another "Bungie-keep-your-dirty-paws-off-halo"-thread, but it's actually quite good. Too bad it is outnumbered by the threads with stuff as seen in the OP.

  • 07.05.2009 8:50 AM PDT