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Posted by: Slegger
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MS said that the maps and Halo 3 multiplayer are part of the price.

http://kotaku.com/5274549/ For further info read my last post on this. It has the link also just incase you miss it here.


Does it really matter? You're still getting a new campaign, firefight, Halo: Reach beta and all the goodness those come with. Seriously, if that doesn't warrant 60 dollars to you, you probably think the sky is yellow.

No it doesn't matter at all. In fact, I don't really care, I'm still buying the game because its a very good deal.

However this does not hide the fact that we are paying for something twice.

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What I don't understand is why this guy asks us for our opinion, then flames us when we say something that he doesn't agree with. Idiocy at it's best.

I'm not flaming anybody. I am asking for your opinion but please have some information behind your voting.

If there's any flaming here, its of your doing.

Everything I'm saying against you is true. You did do everything I said you did in my last post. You did contradict yourself. You did use the old "don't buy it" argument as a fallback.

Okay, now please tell me how are we not paying for something twice?


Read my post above this one.

EDIT: Haha, you're too fast for me.

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  • 07.06.2009 7:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Slegger
No. Here's what were getting with Halo 3: ODST:

Brand new Campaign (open world, lots of exploring, easter eggs, fun things to do etc.)
Brand new Co-Op Mode, Firefight. (unlimited waves of Covenant)
Halo: Reach Beta
New Achievements
All the maps ever made for Halo 3 (including Mythic Part 2)
New armor customization
New emblems
And all the other small things (New weapons, VISR, enemies, tactics etc.)
Halo 3 Disc

Honestly, stop complaining. This more than you would get in a normal game. Really, this is worth $120, as your getting a new Halo 3 disc (Assuming it isn't just the multiplayer aspect)

So, I don't mind paying 60 bucks for all those new features. The only thing were getting "twice" is the Halo 3 multiplayer and the maps, but you get new ones so it doesn't matter.

And again, if you think you're wasting money, don't buy it. Simple as.


Really? $120? Normally, I stay out of threads like this, but this one is too egregious to pass by without comment.

The only new additions are the ODST campaign disc, which has the ODST campaign and firefight and the new multiplayer maps. The rest of the content is stuff that most of the Halo-Nation has already bought either with the original Halo 3 disc or via DLC over the past couple of years, which means that at least some of the ODST package (which there is only one SKU, mind you) has been purchased before...

That "rest," by the way, is superfluous fluff that in all honesty was probably going to be added anyway at the reduced price, but has since been used as justification for Microsoft to charge the standard $60.

As to your particular points, I don't remember paying extra for armor permutations, emblems, achievements or weapons and such that are resident to the game disc itself when it came to other full fledged $60 titles. I also don't remember there being an additional cost to Crackdown for the promise of a Halo 3 beta either.

All that being said, as there is only one SKU and because it's Halo, the vast majority of those that have the maps and such (me included) will grumble about paying the $60, but end up bending over and taking along with everyone else.

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Posted by: ADROPACRICH2
Some really wierd thinking on here

If Halo1 was included as part of the deal would people also say we were buying that twice?

If you have the maps already then so what, you also get the 3 new ones you dont.It is of course even better if you don't have all the maps and i know plenty that don't

Anyway this is all nonsense


If halo 1 was part of the price then I WOULD say that we are paying twice for it.

However if it was just an addon then I wouldn't. That isn't the case here however. The maps and halo 3 multiplayer are part of the price.

http://kotaku.com/5274549/

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MS said that the maps and Halo 3 multiplayer are part of the price.

http://kotaku.com/5274549/ For further info read my last post on this. It has the link also just incase you miss it here.


Does it really matter? You're still getting a new campaign, firefight, Halo: Reach beta and all the goodness those come with. Seriously, if that doesn't warrant 60 dollars to you, you probably think the sky is yellow.

No it doesn't matter at all. In fact, I don't really care, I'm still buying the game because its a very good deal.

However this does not hide the fact that we are paying for something twice.


Well there you go. Why argue over it, if you're still buying it, and you even said it's a very good deal.

But we're not. We're getting a bunch of new things, those overcome the "we're paying for something twice" argument. Seriously, the amount of new things were getting just... kills the whole argument. Besides, the price of the those things that we're paying for again is probably like, what? $10 dollars? Firefight and Campaign are probably worth $50.

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No. Here's what were getting with Halo 3: ODST:

Brand new Campaign (open world, lots of exploring, easter eggs, fun things to do etc.)
Brand new Co-Op Mode, Firefight. (unlimited waves of Covenant)
Halo: Reach Beta
New Achievements
All the maps ever made for Halo 3 (including Mythic Part 2)
New armor customization
New emblems
And all the other small things (New weapons, VISR, enemies, tactics etc.)
Halo 3 Disc

Honestly, stop complaining. This more than you would get in a normal game. Really, this is worth $120, as your getting a new Halo 3 disc (Assuming it isn't just the multiplayer aspect)

So, I don't mind paying 60 bucks for all those new features. The only thing were getting "twice" is the Halo 3 multiplayer and the maps, but you get new ones so it doesn't matter.

And again, if you think you're wasting money, don't buy it. Simple as.


Really? $120? Normally, I stay out of threads like this, but this one is too egregious to pass by without comment.

The only new additions are the ODST campaign disc, which has the ODST campaign and firefight and the new multiplayer maps. The rest of the content is stuff that most of the Halo-Nation has already bought either with the original Halo 3 disc or via DLC over the past couple of years, which means that at least some of the ODST package (which there is only one SKU, mind you) has been purchased before...

That "rest," by the way, is superfluous fluff that in all honesty was probably going to be added anyway at the reduced price, but has since been used as justification for Microsoft to charge the standard $60.

As to your particular points, I don't remember paying extra for armor permutations, emblems, achievements or weapons and such that are resident to the game disc itself when it came to other full fledged $60 titles. I also don't remember there being an additional cost to Crackdown for the promise of a Halo 3 beta either.

All that being said, as there is only one SKU and because it's Halo, the vast majority of those that have the maps and such (me included) will grumble about paying the $60, but end up bending over and taking along with everyone else.


Again, if you're buying it, why grumble about it? No matter what, most of the people mad at Microsoft about this will still buy it, so in the end, what's the point? You're still buying it in the end, so don't argue over it.


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Most questions about Halo 3 ODST can be answered here. Also, not saying anyone broke any rules, but here's a copy for good measure. ;)


Idiot. We're discussing if we're paying for something twice, not asking questions about the game.

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Posted by: Slegger
Again, if you're buying it, why grumble about it? No matter what, most of the people mad at Microsoft about this will still buy it, so in the end, what's the point? You're still buying it in the end, so don't argue over it.

I'm trying to see how many people know that we're paying for something twice.

Buying it or not is out of the question. If you feel its worthless to do this, then you are welcome to leave when you please.

Also, I take it that you voted yes. Because the question asks "Do you think we're paying for something twice" Appearantly you do. Whether or not you think $60 dollars is worth it is out of the qestion.

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  • 07.06.2009 8:09 AM PDT

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That's the thing, you aren't paying for them again. Your paying for ODST and the Maps are a bonus.

Like I said though, because (And I guess IF) You paid for the maps when they first came out that's exactly what you were paying for, to get them early. It was pretty well known that eventually they'd come out free/cheaper in some way, they did it with Halo 2, never heard anyone complain then.

But when MS was confronted by Kotaku on why the price changed, MS said that there was enough content in the package to constitute for the price.

What content? Did ODST become more than an expansion? Well according to MS the content that constitutes for the price is the maps and the halo 3 multiplayer.

Here is proof: http://kotaku.com/5274549/

Furthermore, I'm not complaining because the maps are free. Because they aren't. They're part of the price. Or so MS says..


i'm torn here. really i am. I voted yes only because you get them with the package, hence you pay for them, "extra content" just means the price is distributed over more things. not 'you get this free'

but In answer to when did it become more than an expansion? probably when Bungie decided to make it longer, and have more than one flashback per character. the game is now about the same length of Halo 3

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i'm torn here. really i am. I voted yes only because you get them with the package, hence you pay for them, "extra content" just means the price is distributed over more things. not 'you get this free'

but In answer to when did it become more than an expansion? probably when Bungie decided to make it longer, and have more than one flashback per character. the game is now about the same length of Halo 3

I agree with you. The game *might* be $60 on itself, but the only proof of that is Bungie's word. If only there was vidocs to explain how much more exactly it has grown. So far, the maps ARE part of the price, and will still be until it is proven that ODST is more than an expansion. It would be awesome if they said the campaign's length. Last time they said it was 3-5 hours, I don't understand why they can't say how big it is now..

  • 07.06.2009 8:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: The_omen
Posted by: Phoenix1330
i'm torn here. really i am. I voted yes only because you get them with the package, hence you pay for them, "extra content" just means the price is distributed over more things. not 'you get this free'

but In answer to when did it become more than an expansion? probably when Bungie decided to make it longer, and have more than one flashback per character. the game is now about the same length of Halo 3

I agree with you. The game *might* be $60 on itself, but the only proof of that is Bungie's word. If only there was vidocs to explain how much more exactly it has grown. So far, the maps ARE part of the price, and will still be until it is proven that ODST is more than an expansion. It would be awesome if they said the campaign's length. Last time they said it was 3-5 hours, I don't understand why they can't say how big it is now..


well they did say it's more than twice the size that it was when they said 3-5 hours. they said it in one of the new pod casts. they also said that rather than one flashback per character, there would be some that get more

  • 07.06.2009 9:10 AM PDT

Yes, we are. We're repaying for the Halo multiplayer; heroic, legendary, and mythic map pack. The worst part is, if you think about it, the loyal people are the ones getting ripped off. All those cheap asses that said it was too expensive for maps are getting them with ODST...

  • 07.06.2009 9:15 AM PDT

Certainly if the campaign didn't feel like it was a full priced offering then i would be a touch miffed even though i do think Firefight is worth my cash alone

They did initially say 3-5 hours but i also read that just like how it is when creating something, Bungie had expanding on the original idea and it would in fact be a bigger experience

I can see your point about we are technically paying for maps already if we do in fact have these maps, but i don't think it would hurt the package's value in removing them and so having them included should really be seen as a lucky bonus for some.Those 3 new maps as well round off what looks like a great package with or without older maps

The campaign does however need to be substantial enough in size to warrant the price for most here buying this i would think - again Firefight for me is worth it even though i too would feel let down by a shorter main game

The whole thing regardless of if you have all maps so far is superb value by the looks of it all

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  • 07.06.2009 9:22 AM PDT

Can't you see I'm Busy!?

It's not as easy as a simple yes and no answer

YOU are paying for the same thing twice, but not because you are being scammed, but because it just makes sense to consolidate the ENTIRE Halo 3 MM to one disc now they have confirmed Mythic 2 pack is the last of the Halo 3 MM maps.

Shock horror, there are people out there who have not yet downloaded all the map packs!! They are getting a good deal. Even more shock horror, there may be people out there who don't even own Halo 3 (OMG,it's true) they are getting an unbelievable bargain. and are not paying for something twice in any way, shape or form.

I for one don't see it as paying for something twice, I see it as getting a new campaign, a new Multiplayer mode, three new maps AND the convenience of being able to clear all the DLC I have downloaded so far off my HD.

Oh, and the chance to unlock another armour perm and get access to the Halo: reach beta (I am not saying these two things are worth money, but the are cool extras!)

  • 07.06.2009 9:25 AM PDT

Posted by: Slegger
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Again, if you're buying it, why grumble about it? No matter what, most of the people mad at Microsoft about this will still buy it, so in the end, what's the point? You're still buying it in the end, so don't argue over it.


The short answer - Because that's what the OP was asking about. I do feel like I'm buying stuff twice, but because there is no suitable alternative, I'll guess I'll end up buying stuff twice.

The long answer - Because this serves as an example of a trend that has really spiked these last couple of years with the advent of an evolving marketplace and the success of DLC in general. In this particular case, what is the point of Microsoft playing up the inclusion of all this content in the ODST package even though a sizable chunk of it is duplicate content for most of us either through the purchase of a related title or via the marketplace as DLC? The point is to fluff up the roster of stuff included so that they can justify asking $60 for what Bungie themselves has said they "do not view [ODST] as a $60 title."

Because there is only the one version of the game released, most of us have no choice but to grit our teeth and pay what has been asked. I don't mind paying for content; I've bought all kinds of DLC and such over the years. My problem is being forced to buy the same content over and over again because there is no viable alternative.

I could certainly vote with my money, but this just isn't possible in this particular case. If there were an option to only buy the "new" stuff (the campaign, firefight and the second half of the mythic maps), then voting with my dollar would be the way to go. As it stands, however, there is only the one game version to buy. I can not buy it and miss out on the "new" experience in totality, which solves nothing except to punish me or I can buy it and -blam!- until the cows come home. Neither do much good as Microsoft as taken any reasonable decision out of my hands, but maybe my -blam!-ing leads to more -blam!-ing, which leads to still more -blam!-ing until finally someone somewhere on the significance food chain takes notice.



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no definetely not

if ODST was $60 without the halo 3 multiplayer disk i would still buy it.

the ODST disk has more content than most games.

x-men wolverine, mirrors edge, and the force unleashed are all $60 games (that i bought) and ODST has way more content than those games. (firefight?, theatre?, etc.)

i don't judge a games price by it's content... but by how "good" the game is. more is not always better than quality.

when i heard that the game was $60 i thought... wow, bungie must have done amazing with this game, no longer an expansion?... that made me excited... not once did i think of, the extra maps/multiplayer as the price changer.

this is why i don't feel like im paying for it twice, cause im paying for the new stuff, whatever is in the first disk is what my $60 is going too, whatever else that comes with it is a great bonus.

  • 07.06.2009 10:25 AM PDT

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No. Since not every person on this planet owns Halo 3 Microsoft can not give away free game content such as Halo 3's multiplayer and or features such as forge , or theater. People should really look closer at how retail works before complianing about how this exspansion is priced.

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Posted by: Armedsavage01
No. Since not every person on this planet owns Halo 3 Microsoft can not give away free game content such as Halo 3's multiplayer and or features such as forge , or theater. People should really look closer at how retail works before complianing about how this exspansion is priced.

Would you mind explaining how retail works? It's not whether there's people that won't be paying twice for something.

It's is there a possibility that we are? There is. So we are paying for something twice. This might not apply to everyone, but someone has to be too stubborn to realize that there are some that it does apply to.

Honestly, I hate when people say "There's other's that aren't paying for something twice" as an argument. Really, if there's others that aren't paying twice, then there are some that are. Which means that its selfish to take out one or the other group. I haven't taken the other group from the equation, but they aren't losing anything. If MS were to take out the maps and multiplayer and lower the price, no one loses.

Why exactly do people not care about the price? You can't lose at all so why bother aruging against this exploitation. There's nothing you can lose.

And before you go and say "dun bai it", I will buy it. I will buy it but I won't be happy with it. And this thread is to know how many people are sane enough to understand that we are being exploited. Apparently its half and half.

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no definetely not

if ODST was $60 without the halo 3 multiplayer disk i would still buy it.

the ODST disk has more content than most games.

x-men wolverine, mirrors edge, and the force unleashed are all $60 games (that i bought) and ODST has way more content than those games. (firefight?, theatre?, etc.)

i don't judge a games price by it's content... but by how "good" the game is. more is not always better than quality.

when i heard that the game was $60 i thought... wow, bungie must have done amazing with this game, no longer an expansion?... that made me excited... not once did i think of, the extra maps/multiplayer as the price changer.

this is why i don't feel like im paying for it twice, cause im paying for the new stuff, whatever is in the first disk is what my $60 is going too, whatever else that comes with it is a great bonus.


It is not a bonus. MS has stated themselves that it is not a bonus multiple times: here and here. Don't say its a bonus, because it isn't.

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Every -blam!- day you people whine about something nothings never enough for you guys...

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Posted by: Bamein
Every -blam!- day you people whine about something nothings never enough for you guys...

I take it you didn't read OP? Don't get into a tantrum. Relax. Here, try this breathing exercises http://cas.umkc.edu/casww/brethexr.htm

Why exactly do you care if we complain about the price or not? What are you losing? Please enlighten me.

There is no reason for you to "care" about us complaining. The proof is on the table. We are paying for something twice. That's why we care. Why do you care? Is it because you like arguing or what?

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Ok im going to break this down in retail sense.
lets say odst is a set of silver wear
Now lets say you come into my store
You have already bought a fork in the past
You just want a knife and spoon
But they are sold in a set with some forks which you already have :O
You are upset and want to break the set so you can only purchase the knife and spoon
I tell you you can not do this
You ask why I say because the knife and spoon can not be sold seperatley
You tell me you have already payed for the forks
I say well I can not verrify this and that not everyone owns forks
You get mad or realize that you have to buy every thing in a set as a whole even if you payed for it in the past.
You now want the priced lowered but I also cant do that because I would be giving away free stuff I would get fired for giving you free forks.
Do you understand yet?

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Posted by: Armedsavage01
Ok im going to break this down in retail sense.
lets say odst is a set of silver wear
Now lets say you come into my store
You have already bought a fork in the past
You just want a knife and spoon
But they are sold in a set with some forks which you already have :O
You are upset and want to break the set so you can only purchase the knife and spoon
I tell you you can not do this
You ask why I say because the knife and spoon can not be sold seperatley
You tell me you have already payed for the forks
I say well I can not verrify this and that not everyone owns forks
You get mad or realize that you have to buy every thing in a set as a whole even if you payed for it in the past.
You now want the priced lowered but I also cant do that because I would be giving away free stuff I would get fired for giving you free forks.
Do you understand yet?


Did you only read my first question in the post that was addressed to you? Read it all please.

Secondly, why does it matter if there are some that aren't paying for something twice. Why does it matter if there are those that didn't buy the forks? As long as there are those that DID buy the forks, they should have a silverware set that doesn't include it. In real life, there are both sets with forks&knifes, forks on themselves, and knifes on themselves. In this case however, there aren't two different versions of the game.

I bought a bag of chips. That was a week ago. Now I want to buy some cookies. Well I can't unless I buy a bag of chips again. Of course, there are some that haven't bought the chips. But isn't it better for those that haven't bought the chips to buy them separately if they want to? Instead of being forced to buy the chips with the cookies? This way it would help both groups. Those that bought the chips and those that haven't. That way, everyone wins and those that haven't bought the chips have something magical called choice, instead of being forced.

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