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Posted by: GrnDragn
I bet it would have. People are only getting it for a few things:

1. MMP Pt. 2
2. Recon armor


I do believe this discussion is above blind assumptions and generalizations.

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No they did not. That's what makes this outrageous. Look, everything you've told me is based off how companies set the cost of something. It doesn't prove that they aren't making you pay for it twice. You're telling me that if it took no work to add it, they shouldn't be charging for it, that is not to say they aren't charging for it though, right? You know many people aren't aware about how a price is set (taking everything into consideration), so maybe MS knows this too and is taking advantage of it.

All I'm saying is that whether or not marketing cost (rules) say that you shouldn't put a price on something if there is no work going into it, it doesn't negate the fact that MS could put a price on it.

Why exactly would the price go up? Because ODST grew to more than what it was excepted? Maybe. Who's to say? No one. So far, the only good reason is that they are charing for the maps.


I think it is safe to assume that when Bungie originally planned ODST and made the statements they didn't see this game as a full fledged retail game, and that the game expanded beyond their expectations. Now does that added content justify the retail price tag,? Maybe. The only argument I see is MS sticking an extra margin on top of this content because it is a Halo title, and people would not hesitate to pay extra for something with Halo on the cover. And that is simply charging more for a popular game. I would bet my bottom dollar that if the maps were not included in ODST, the price would not have changed.
Maybe the game did expand into more than an expansion, maybe not. Though think about it, isn't it a strange coincidence that the price changed just as they added Halo 3's multiplayer. I think so.

We're not sure of anything though, until bungie or MS say more into the matter.

However, we agree that it is possible MS is charing for the maps, right? Because there is nothing to say they aren't.

Now, what we must clear up is, whether or not the game in itself constitues a $60 dollar price tag, without the maps taken in consideration. We don't know, but I'm pretty sure that it didn't change.

When Bungie said that its game was worth (to them) $30-35 dollars, they were finished with their campaign, because if they weren't, it wouldn't be quite fair to suggest a price to a non-finished game, right? Firefight was already included too, since they said this AFTER they had played Firefight (according to their latest podcast. They played Firefight during Christmas). Unfortunately, I have no link or tangible proof about them saying it was worth $30-35 dollars except for my memory. I will try as hard as I can to look for it, but the majority of players here also recall them saying this, so I know I'm not crazy :P

EDIT: Whoops, I edited a big type I made. Sorry! It's in bold.

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  • 07.06.2009 8:46 PM PDT

Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GrnDragn
I bet it would have. People are only getting it for a few things:

1. MMP Pt. 2
2. Recon armor


I do believe this discussion is above blind assumptions and generalizations.


You really think that most people aren't getting this for Recon and MMPpt.2!? That's like saying that people didn't buy HWLE for MM Pt. 1 early. Cause we know that they did.

  • 07.06.2009 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: The_omen
Maybe the game did expand into more than an expansion, maybe not. Though think about it, isn't it a strange coincidence that the price changed just as they added Halo 3's multiplayer. I think so.

We're not sure of anything though, until bungie or MS say more into the matter.

However, we agree that it is possible MS is charing for the maps, right? Because there is nothing to say they aren't.

Now, what we must clear up is, whether or not the game in itself constitues a $60 dollar price tag, without the maps taken in consideration. We don't know, but I'm pretty sure that it didn't change.

When Bungie said that its game was worth (to them) $30-35 dollars, they were finished with their campaign, because if they weren't, it wouldn't be quite fair to suggest a price to a non-finished game, right? Firefight was already included too, since they said this before they had played Firefight (according to their latest podcast. They played Firefight during Christmas). Unfortunately, I have no link or tangible proof about them saying it was worth $30-35 dollars except for my memory. I will try as hard as I can to look for it, but the majority of players here also recall them saying this, so I know I'm not crazy :P


While I disagree that the inclusion of the maps is reflective in the price, I do concede that their is a strong possibility of MS sticking a lovely little profit mark-up on a Halo game. Nothing crooked about that, just good business. I would assume that, when MS was presented with all the content added in the game, they saw the value to be worth the full retail price.

The_omen, thanks for an intelligent discussion, it is a rare sight in this forum. I'm off to play a little Halo. Goodnight ;)

  • 07.06.2009 8:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: GrnDragn
You really think that most people aren't getting this for Recon and MMPpt.2!? That's like saying that people didn't buy HWLE for MM Pt. 1 early. Cause we know that they did.


Call me crazy, but people will, for the majority, buy ODST for ODST. Just a guess. You can't compare paying an extra ~$10 for early access to maps (plus the other nifty swag the HWLE came with) to paying $60 for the same thing. Two totally situations. You can't make that kind of generalization, especially when anybody with half a clue and that money to spend wouldn't do such a largely irrational thing.

  • 07.06.2009 8:55 PM PDT

Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GrnDragn
You really think that most people aren't getting this for Recon and MMPpt.2!? That's like saying that people didn't buy HWLE for MM Pt. 1 early. Cause we know that they did.


Call me crazy, but people will, for the majority, buy ODST for ODST. Just a guess. You can't compare paying an extra ~$10 for early access to maps (plus the other nifty swag the HWLE came with) to paying $60 for the same thing. Two totally situations. You can't make that kind of generalization, especially when anybody with half a clue and that money to spend wouldn't do such a largely irrational thing.


I am making that assumption because most people on the forums did state (myself included) that they were buying HWLE for the maps. While I did also buy it because it was a Halo and an RTS and I had money to spend, I did it anyway for the maps. So were many people... unitil they found out that Halo Wars fails in terms of MM.

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  • 07.06.2009 9:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: GrnDragn
I am making that assumption because most people on the forums did state (myself included) that they were buying HWLE for the maps. While I did also buy it because it was a Halo and an RTS and I had money to spend, I did it anyway for the maps. So were many people... unitil they found out that Halo Wars fails in terms of MM.


Would you have bought HWLE if it was the maps plus the original Pong (rocking the two white bars and white square bouncing around)? I doubt it. You paid the ~$80 or whatever because you wanted the maps early AND thought Halo Wars would be a good game. You didn't pay the full price tag SOLELY for the maps, am I right?

  • 07.06.2009 9:04 PM PDT

Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GrnDragn
I am making that assumption because most people on the forums did state (myself included) that they were buying HWLE for the maps. While I did also buy it because it was a Halo and an RTS and I had money to spend, I did it anyway for the maps. So were many people... unitil they found out that Halo Wars fails in terms of MM.


Would you have bought HWLE if it was the maps plus the original Pong (rocking the two white bars and white square bouncing around)? I doubt it. You paid the ~$80 or whatever because you wanted the maps early AND thought Halo Wars would be a good game. You didn't pay the full price tag SOLELY for the maps, am I right?


OK, I thought that it would be epic, but it turned out to not be what I thought it would be. Getting the maps was part of the goal, but it wasn't the main force that drove me to HWLE.

  • 07.06.2009 9:06 PM PDT

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The question cannot be answered in all reality. It all depends on the value you place on something. I may think all of the new stuff within ODST is worth 60 and the maps they've already released is just an added bonus. On the other hand, someone may value the new stuff at a lower price and think the 60 dollar price tag is forcing them to pay twice for the maps they already bought.

As far as my opinion, no, I don't think I'm paying twice for something. I place more value on the new content to justify the 60 dollar price point.

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Posted by: longhorn10
Posted by: GrnDragn
I am making that assumption because most people on the forums did state (myself included) that they were buying HWLE for the maps. While I did also buy it because it was a Halo and an RTS and I had money to spend, I did it anyway for the maps. So were many people... unitil they found out that Halo Wars fails in terms of MM.


Would you have bought HWLE if it was the maps plus the original Pong (rocking the two white bars and white square bouncing around)? I doubt it. You paid the ~$80 or whatever because you wanted the maps early AND thought Halo Wars would be a good game. You didn't pay the full price tag SOLELY for the maps, am I right?
I think it's wrong to tell people why they did something. He had his reasons. He believes it was solely for the maps, then it was. If it was correct to do so or not is out of the question.

Also, I like this thread. There are other threads out there from people-that-think-we're-not-paying-for-something-twice that say: "OMG STUP WIT TEH THRUDS". I'm glad this thread didn't turn into a flame war. Mainly because the people that argue here aren't ludicrously moronic.

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HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT

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The question cannot be answered in all reality. It all depends on the value you place on something. I may think all of the new stuff within ODST is worth 60 and the maps they've already released is just an added bonus. On the other hand, someone may value the new stuff at a lower price and think the 60 dollar price tag is forcing them to pay twice for the maps they already bought.

As far as my opinion, no, I don't think I'm paying twice for something. I place more value on the new content to justify the 60 dollar price point.
If you believe that the game itself is worth $60, then I guess you aren't paying for something twice.

But is it worth $60? Do you really know? I don't. But I have some heavy information on why we're paying for something twice. It's on the first post in this thread and on the my last couple of posts. I would give it to you in this thread directly but I'm kind of sleepy.

Actually, I think I'm heading to bed in a couple of minutes.

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  • 07.06.2009 9:13 PM PDT

Posted by: snip3r dud3
HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT


Great, another one. I have a total of 130 dollars in my wallet right now. I could go buy it now, in fact, I know that I will. It's a Halo game, people are gonna buy it who are fans, but that dosen't meant that I have to like the price. So get over it.

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT

Why exactly do you think it's $60 though? I think it's because they added the extra maps and H3 multiplayer. Which would mean that we're paying for something twice, right? I don't know what you gathered from my original post, but I clearly said this thread was to argue on whether or not we're paying for something twice, not that if it's worth the money or not..

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT

Why exactly do you think it's $60 though? I think it's because they added the extra maps and H3 multiplayer. Which would mean that we're paying for something twice, right? I don't know what you gathered from my original post, but I clearly said this thread was to argue on whether or not we're paying for something twice, not that if it's worth the money or not..


1. story- about 20 bucks
2.firefight- about 10 bucks
3.maps-10 bucks
4.multiplayer- about 20 bucks
5.beta- about 10 bucks
there you go

  • 07.06.2009 9:19 PM PDT

Posted by: snip3r dud3
HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT


Yeah, but those other games aren't expansions.

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
Posted by: The_omen
Posted by: snip3r dud3
HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT

Why exactly do you think it's $60 though? I think it's because they added the extra maps and H3 multiplayer. Which would mean that we're paying for something twice, right? I don't know what you gathered from my original post, but I clearly said this thread was to argue on whether or not we're paying for something twice, not that if it's worth the money or not..


1. story- about 20 bucks
2.firefight- about 10 bucks
3.maps-10 bucks
4.multiplayer- about 20 bucks
5.beta- about 10 bucks
there you go

First of all, you're showing me that the maps and multiplayer ARE part of the price. Which means that WE ARE paying for something twice. (if you say no after this then you are contradicting yourself by the way).

Secondly, the beta is not supposed to cost money. Why would I pay to play a possibly buggy version of a game? That's what a beta is, a buggy, unpolished, and basically not finished game

That would leave you with $40.

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
Posted by: The_omen
Posted by: snip3r dud3
HALO 3 ODST = $60.00

JUST LIKE EVER OTHER -blam!- GAME ....JUST GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT

Why exactly do you think it's $60 though? I think it's because they added the extra maps and H3 multiplayer. Which would mean that we're paying for something twice, right? I don't know what you gathered from my original post, but I clearly said this thread was to argue on whether or not we're paying for something twice, not that if it's worth the money or not..


1. story- about 20 bucks
2.firefight- about 10 bucks
3.maps-10 bucks
4.multiplayer- about 20 bucks
5.beta- about 10 bucks
there you go

First of all, you're showing me that the maps and multiplayer ARE part of the price. Which means that WE ARE paying for something twice. (if you say no after this then you are contradicting yourself by the way).

Secondly, the beta is not supposed to cost money. Why would I pay to play a possibly buggy version of a game? That's what a beta is, a buggy, unpolished, and basically not finished game

That would leave you with $40.

the beta in my opinion is 10 bucs and paying for the secand map pack is not paying for it twice..

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
the beta in my opinion is 10 bucs and paying for the secand map pack is not paying for it twice..

you said:

4.multiplayer- about 20 bucks

What does this mean if I already have the multiplayer? It means I'm getting it twice right? And it also means that I'm paying for it twice right?

Please try to piece these things together. Did I explain myself in a detailed manner? Do you get it now?

And the beta is not worth any money. If you are willing to pay for it, then okay. The point of this thread is to see if we're paying for something twice. According to you, we are.

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i never siad im paying for somthign twice ...

the multiplay would be
1. FORGE-5 bucks
2.MATCHMAKING- 10 bucks
3.THEATER-5 bucks

equals 20 bucks

  • 07.06.2009 9:32 PM PDT

Posted by: snip3r dud3
i never siad im paying for somthign twice ...

the multiplay would be
1. FORGE-5 bucks
2.MATCHMAKING- 10 bucks
3.THEATER-5 bucks

equals 20 bucks


All of those we already have, why should we pay for them a second time?

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
i never siad im paying for somthign twice ...

the multiplay would be
1. FORGE-5 bucks
2.MATCHMAKING- 10 bucks
3.THEATER-5 bucks

equals 20 bucks
But I already bought that..

Now, stay with me.. does this mean that i'm paying for it again? I already paid of that in halo 3. Am I paying for this again?

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
i never siad im paying for somthign twice ...

the multiplay would be
1. FORGE-5 bucks
2.MATCHMAKING- 10 bucks
3.THEATER-5 bucks

equals 20 bucks
But I already bought that..

Now, stay with me.. does this mean that i'm paying for it again? I already paid of that in halo 3. Am I paying for this again?

no this comes with halo 3 odst not halo 3 and if you dont wanna buy the game then dont

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Posted by: snip3r dud3
Posted by: The_omen
Posted by: snip3r dud3
i never siad im paying for somthign twice ...

the multiplay would be
1. FORGE-5 bucks
2.MATCHMAKING- 10 bucks
3.THEATER-5 bucks

equals 20 bucks
But I already bought that..

Now, stay with me.. does this mean that i'm paying for it again? I already paid of that in halo 3. Am I paying for this again?

no this comes with halo 3 odst not halo 3 and if you dont wanna buy the game then dont
How exactly did FORGE, THEATER, and MATCHMAKING not come with halo 3? They did come with them. Did you buy halo 3?

I do want to buy the game. What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not we're paying for it twice.

  • 07.06.2009 9:39 PM PDT

Not really. I stopped buying the map packs.

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