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Subject: Why the BR will most likely be in Halo:Reach

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Well if you look at the picture of The Cole Protocol Cover you will notice that he is holding a BR. And on the back it says in the early days of the Human-Covenant War. The war started around 2525 and the battle of Reach took place in 2552. So I'm pretty sure that the BR will make an entrance into one part of the game. Discuss

  • 07.06.2009 9:06 AM PDT

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That doesn't mean it's going to be in the game. It all depends on what Bungie wants for gameplay. They'll adjust the canon depending on what they feel would work.

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  • 07.06.2009 9:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 90210
That doesn't mean it's going to be in the game. It all depends on what Bungie wants for gameplay. They'll adjust the canon depending on what they feel would work.

Maybe. I'm just throwing ideas around

  • 07.06.2009 9:14 AM PDT

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Well the squad had two BRs and they were prototypes; we don't know when the BR came into full service, though since the Spartans under Fred only found the BR deep inside CASTLE base, it was most likely still not a front-lines weapon.

  • 07.06.2009 9:15 AM PDT

i don't see why it wouldn't be in reach, it makes perfect sense for it to be, but i also agree with spartan 90210 with saying that Bungie will change it for gameplay.

  • 07.06.2009 9:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Well the squad had two BRs and they were prototypes; we don't know when the BR came into full service, though since the Spartans under Fred only found the BR deep inside CASTLE base, it was most likely still not a front-lines weapon.

so it was like... a sepcops weapon? and spartans are like... commandos, right? >:3


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there will be a BR. but probably no carbine.
BR : because halo games need a med-long ranged weapon. NO, the HCE pistol can NOT come back. it was absolutely unbalanced in HCE, and that was the only reason it was that powerful, the devs didn't think "guys lets make a med to long range weapon!!!!!"
no carbine : I think the covie said somewhere the carbine is a covenant response to the BR. since they didn't encounter BRs before, they couldn't make a reponse to it.

  • 07.06.2009 9:21 AM PDT

I'm pretty sure the BR on Cole Protocol is a prototype, and isn't widely used. And there was no mention or BRs in The Fall of Reach, or First Strike.

  • 07.06.2009 9:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Well the squad had two BRs and they were prototypes; we don't know when the BR came into full service, though since the Spartans under Fred only found the BR deep inside CASTLE base, it was most likely still not a front-lines weapon.

so it was like... a sepcops weapon? and spartans are like... commandos, right? >:3


OP :
there will be a BR. but probably no carbine.
BR : because halo games need a med-long ranged weapon. NO, the HCE pistol can NOT come back. it was absolutely unbalanced in HCE, and that was the only reason it was that powerful, the devs didn't think "guys lets make a med to long range weapon!!!!!"
no carbine : I think the covie said somewhere the carbine is a covenant response to the BR. since they didn't encounter BRs before, they couldn't make a reponse to it.
Well they weren't specops weapons, they were prototypes that the ONI officer let Johnson use with his militia because of the imminent Covenant threat. They wouldn't really be battlefield weapons...

I personlly would like the Halo 1 pistol to return (though this time a 5 or 6 shot kill instead of 3 for MP); it could be midrange like in Halo 1 and in Halo 3 ODST. They could also make the AR midrange for once, where if you use single shots, it has as much range (but way less power than) the Battle Rifle did in 2/3, but up close in full auto, it would be as inaccurate as the Halo 1 Assault Rifle. It would be as weak as the H1/H3 AR on bodyshots... but there could also be a headshot bonus (2x damage?) so you could out-AR someone, and could combat a pistol at midrange.

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  • 07.06.2009 9:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
Well the squad had two BRs and they were prototypes; we don't know when the BR came into full service, though since the Spartans under Fred only found the BR deep inside CASTLE base, it was most likely still not a front-lines weapon.

so it was like... a sepcops weapon? and spartans are like... commandos, right? >:3


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there will be a BR. but probably no carbine.
BR : because halo games need a med-long ranged weapon. NO, the HCE pistol can NOT come back. it was absolutely unbalanced in HCE, and that was the only reason it was that powerful, the devs didn't think "guys lets make a med to long range weapon!!!!!"
no carbine : I think the covie said somewhere the carbine is a covenant response to the BR. since they didn't encounter BRs before, they couldn't make a reponse to it.

But I like the Halo CE pistol. :( Just kidding but you have some good ideas

  • 07.06.2009 9:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
NO, the HCE pistol can NOT come back. it was absolutely unbalanced in HCE, and that was the only reason it was that powerful, the devs didn't think "guys lets make a med to long range weapon!!!!!"
In reality it was pretty much as powerful as the Halo 2 BR. The only difference is what the weapon looks like. They both had the same role, medium to long range dominance. If they were to tone the weapon down a bit, it could easily be a BR replacement. Although as i said before it all depends on what bungie wants to do with gameplay, and then they'll adjust the canon accordingly.

  • 07.06.2009 9:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan 90210
Posted by: z0rgy
NO, the HCE pistol can NOT come back. it was absolutely unbalanced in HCE, and that was the only reason it was that powerful, the devs didn't think "guys lets make a med to long range weapon!!!!!"
In reality it was pretty much as powerful as the Halo 2 BR. The only difference is what the weapon looks like. They both had the same role, medium to long range dominance. If they were to tone the weapon down a bit, it could easily be a BR replacement. Although as i said before it all depends on what bungie wants to do with gameplay, and then they'll adjust the canon accordingly.

I didn't say they don't have the same role. I said it wasn't done on purpose.

  • 07.06.2009 9:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
I didn't say they don't have the same role. I said it wasn't done on purpose.
So then why is there a problem with it being in the game ? I don't understand what you're trying to argue here.

  • 07.06.2009 9:45 AM PDT

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In the book, only MA5B's, M6D's, Jackhammers, Lotus Mines, and a few other weapons were used.

Most likely, the BR will not be in there.

  • 07.06.2009 9:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: z0rgy
I didn't say they don't have the same role. I said it wasn't done on purpose.
So then why is there a problem with it being in the game ? I don't understand what you're trying to argue here.

think of it as a glitch. something that's not supposed to be here, but it's here anyway.
the HCE pistol exists because of the game not being balanced well. now that halo is a famous franchise, bungie cannot afford to make such a mistake again and give a pistol the role of a sniper rifle (with the scope, you could basically snipe people across the map).
besides, a pistol stronger than a rifle is not realistic, even in the future.

the point is that the HCE pistol will never come back. we'll get tweaked versions of it (like in H3) but never the original.

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The BR will be in the game, I guarantee it. If it isn't in campaign, then it will be in multiplayer.

  • 07.06.2009 9:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
think of it as a glitch. something that's not supposed to be here, but it's here anyway.
Um... bungie designed it that way.

the HCE pistol exists because of the game not being balanced well.How was Halo 1 not balanced well?

now that halo is a famous franchise, bungie cannot afford to make such a mistake again and give a pistol the role of a sniper rifle (with the scope, you could basically snipe people across the map).Um... it didn't have the role of the sniper rifle, it had the role of the battle rifle.

besides, a pistol stronger than a rifle is not realistic, even in the future.Well technically the Pistol is the only realistic weapon besides the Shotgun (the Halo 1 versions) and everything else is unrealistic (look at the range on the ARs or BR, its a joke).

the point is that the HCE pistol will never come back. we'll get tweaked versions of it (like in H3) but never the original.It should come back identical to in Halo 1 except it should not be either a 5sk or a 6sk in multiplayer, instead of 3. There is no problem with it having a scope and working at middle range; bungie did this in ODST.

  • 07.06.2009 9:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
think of it as a glitch. something that's not supposed to be here, but it's here anyway.
the HCE pistol exists because of the game not being balanced well. now that halo is a famous franchise, bungie cannot afford to make such a mistake again and give a pistol the role of a sniper rifle (with the scope, you could basically snipe people across the map).
besides, a pistol stronger than a rifle is not realistic, even in the future.

the point is that the HCE pistol will never come back. we'll get tweaked versions of it (like in H3) but never the original.
Actually IMO Halo CE was the most balanced of the Halo games. Obviously the range would be toned down, but other than that there isn't a problem. Who cares about realism ? You're a 7 foot tall super soldier fighting aliens on a giant ring, obviously people don't mind departing from reality. In addition quoting you're post above you just said you thought the pistol and BR had the exact same role. Are you saying the BR is a sniper ? Tone down the range slightly and it would fill the exact purpose of the BR, without dominating all other weapons. Possibly make it so it's inaccurate at close range. Who knows though, we might end up getting both.

  • 07.06.2009 9:57 AM PDT

It'll be in. 100%. MLG can't live without the BR, sad, really.

  • 07.06.2009 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
It'll be in. 100%. MLG can't live without the BR, sad, really.
MLG was around before Halo, and they played Halo before the BR was invented (Halo 1). What MLG (well, Halo in general, for maintained balance) needs is a midrange headshot-capable weapon... like the M6D or BR55.

[Edited on 07.06.2009 10:22 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2009 10:21 AM PDT