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Subject: ODST is NOT an expansion

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Posted by: The_omen
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It is an expansion, Bungie has stated that since they announced it last year.


Wrong. Bungie and Microsoft both said theres enough content in it to warrant the $60 dollar price tag and making it a full game. Bungie made the Campaign way longer then they originally did, which is one of the reasons it's a full game.

Dude.. Omg you guys took this the wrong way.

MS is saying it is not an expansion, why? BECAUSE IT HAS THE MAPS AND HALO 3 MULTIPLAYER. Without them, it would be an expansion. You guys have to read. The source you provided says:

"We believe this standalone experience is much more than just an expansion. Halo 3: ODST provides a new campaign from the point of view of an entirely new character. Combine that with three new multiplayer maps, the entirely new cooperative mode called Firefight, and the complete Halo 3 multiplayer collection on a standalone disc, we feel this is a good value and tremendous addition to the Halo franchise."

They're trying to say what I've said millions of times. The game in itself is an expansion without the maps and halo 3 multiplayer!

no they are not. they are making it very clear that this is not an expansion anymore, but a full game

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
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Posted by: The BS Police
It is an expansion, Bungie has stated that since they announced it last year.


Wrong. Bungie and Microsoft both said theres enough content in it to warrant the $60 dollar price tag and making it a full game. Bungie made the Campaign way longer then they originally did, which is one of the reasons it's a full game.

Dude.. Omg you guys took this the wrong way.

MS is saying it is not an expansion, why? BECAUSE IT HAS THE MAPS AND HALO 3 MULTIPLAYER. Without them, it would be an expansion. You guys have to read. The source you provided says:

"We believe this standalone experience is much more than just an expansion. Halo 3: ODST provides a new campaign from the point of view of an entirely new character. Combine that with three new multiplayer maps, the entirely new cooperative mode called Firefight, and the complete Halo 3 multiplayer collection on a standalone disc, we feel this is a good value and tremendous addition to the Halo franchise."

They're trying to say what I've said millions of times. The game in itself is an expansion without the maps and halo 3 multiplayer!

no they are not. they are making it very clear that this is not an expansion anymore, but a full game

No they aren't. You have to read to understand. Joystiq understood this perfectly that's why they mentioned:

By: Joystiq
Chances are if you're a hardcore Halo player, you already own the multiplayer maps, so you'll basically be paying for content you already own


Let me break down what MS said:

[Mentioned it is not an expansion anymore]. [Microsoft listed the content that constitutes the price]

The list includes the maps and halo 3 multiplayer. You took it out of context that's why you think they said that the game ON ITSELF constitutes a $60 dollar price tag. But if you read all of what they said, you would understand that they didn't say this at all.

[Edited on 07.06.2009 1:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.06.2009 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
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Surely the last person you want to ask about a game's value is a Microsoft representative. As I see it, it was barely a season before the game was finished that Bungie announced this game was little more than an expansion and would not sell for $60. Seeing as most of the time since then has been spent play-testing and de-bugging, I find it very unlikely that Bungie could have created enough extra content to send it into full-fledged game territory.


Bungie never said the price. they took a guess when pressured.


Companies aren't pressured into divulging prices. It doesn't work like that. Around Christmas time, Bungie had a good idea of how much the game would be worth, and explicitly stated it would not ship for $60. Changes have been made, granted, but to convert this from a standalone expansion to a full-fledged game would take a small team a hell of a lot longer than three months, especially considering that time would have been spent mostly on polishing the game.

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THANKS, but we already knew that, douche

He's wrong, read my last post. He took the quote out of context. A simple mistake everyone makes, but can cause people to think something that is not true.

  • 07.06.2009 1:56 PM PDT

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Thank you for posting this. I am goddamn tired of the little kids who whine about an "expansion" being $60. they need to make the money. Hell, I payed EIGHTY DOLLARS for it here in Canada. It more expensive than in the U.S.

Children need to quit whining, and just NOT BUY THE game if they are that mad about the price.

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Posted by: The_omen
Posted by: Slegger
Posted by: The BS Police
It is an expansion, Bungie has stated that since they announced it last year.


Wrong. Bungie and Microsoft both said theres enough content in it to warrant the $60 dollar price tag and making it a full game. Bungie made the Campaign way longer then they originally did, which is one of the reasons it's a full game.

Dude.. Omg you guys took this the wrong way.

MS is saying it is not an expansion, why? BECAUSE IT HAS THE MAPS AND HALO 3 MULTIPLAYER. Without them, it would be an expansion. You guys have to read. The source you provided says:

By: Microsoft Rep
"We believe this standalone experience is much more than just an expansion. Halo 3: ODST provides a new campaign from the point of view of an entirely new character. Combine that with three new multiplayer maps, the entirely new cooperative mode called Firefight, and the complete Halo 3 multiplayer collection on a standalone disc, we feel this is a good value and tremendous addition to the Halo franchise."


They're trying to say what I've said millions of times. The game in itself is an expansion without the maps and halo 3 multiplayer!

Since Joystiq understood what Microsoft said, they even said:

By: Joystiq
Chances are if you're a hardcore Halo player, you already own the multiplayer maps, so you'll basically be paying for content you already own


You prove a good point, but to me expansion or no expansion I'm still going too have tones of fun on this game by itself.

You can say we're paying for the same thing twice but In depth of this we've still got a new experience of 3 new maps and basically all that halo has ever been desiring. A complete new fresh system, which yes may just be the same thing as before but like Bungie they give new things. So if you were too be a " Hardcore Fan" like Joystiq said you would at least accept the fact too not let un-patience get the better of you of what is too come.

I hope at least all complainers can wait and give the game a go.

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Posted by: Arbiduck
Thank you for posting this. I am goddamn tired of the little kids who whine about an "expansion" being $60. they need to make the money. Hell, I payed EIGHTY DOLLARS for it here in Canada. It more expensive than in the U.S.

Children need to quit whining, and just NOT BUY THE game if they are that mad about the price.

But why are those "children" whining about the price? Because its too much? No. Because it's alot more than what an expansion costs? Maybe.

I think it's because we have to pay twice for something that we already paid for. That's why.

[Edited on 07.06.2009 2:15 PM PDT]

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Bungie, should never had said it was an expansion, Bungie should never have said "not $60".
Those key words are what has made this entire fiasco. Without them, nobody would care, they would think they are getting a great game, with the Halo 3 Multiplayer as a bonus. Its all about how you say things. One word can sway the minds of many.

  • 07.06.2009 2:20 PM PDT

Duracell.
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So what if the saxophone is black?
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Posted by: Phoenix1330
Posted by: porkstein
Surely the last person you want to ask about a game's value is a Microsoft representative. As I see it, it was barely a season before the game was finished that Bungie announced this game was little more than an expansion and would not sell for $60. Seeing as most of the time since then has been spent play-testing and de-bugging, I find it very unlikely that Bungie could have created enough extra content to send it into full-fledged game territory.


Bungie never said the price. they took a guess when pressured.


Companies aren't pressured into divulging prices. It doesn't work like that. Around Christmas time, Bungie had a good idea of how much the game would be worth, and explicitly stated it would not ship for $60. Changes have been made, granted, but to convert this from a standalone expansion to a full-fledged game would take a small team a hell of a lot longer than three months, especially considering that time would have been spent mostly on polishing the game.


they were also very clear it wasn't their place to talk about it. as this isn't part of their job.

  • 07.06.2009 2:22 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Arbiduck
Thank you for posting this. I am goddamn tired of the little kids who whine about an "expansion" being $60. they need to make the money. Hell, I payed EIGHTY DOLLARS for it here in Canada. It more expensive than in the U.S.

Children need to quit whining, and just NOT BUY THE game if they are that mad about the price.


arbiduck... where in Canada are you from. I live in Calgary and EB is still selling it for 59.99...

  • 07.06.2009 2:23 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

exactly. the fact that they made these comments when pressured screwed things up. goes to show that you shouldn't push for too much untill the game is finished or you will get potentially in accurate info.

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What's up with the triple posting. They don't even serve anything important to the discussion.

O.o

Plus you should answer my other post. (Top one)

  • 07.06.2009 2:30 PM PDT

From what i've seen of the game it would be an insult to bungie to call it just an expansion.

Full campaign, Firefight, and the inclusion of Halo 3's multiplayer i'd say it's a full retail game and well worth the 60$.

  • 07.06.2009 2:35 PM PDT

I think someone else has already said this, but just to repeat, Halo 3:ODST IS AN EXPANSION. Why? Because it doesn't have it's own MM. It uses Halo 3's.

If it was not an expansion, it wouldn't be called Halo 3: ODST, just Halo: ODST.

EDIT: Just to make myself abundantly clear, you can not have a stand-alone game borrowing MM from another game, therefore Halo 3:ODST is an expansion, no matter what anyone says.

[Edited on 07.06.2009 2:51 PM PDT]

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It's in the middle of expansion,and full game.

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  • 07.06.2009 2:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Burninhell647
EDIT: Just to make myself abundantly clear, you can not have a stand-alone game borrowing MM from another game, therefore Halo 3:ODST is an expansion, no matter what anyone says.


Well, Bungie themselves would disagree with you. They consider ODST to have enough content to be considered a full game.

In your definition, Bioshock and Dead Space are only expansions and not full games. There is no rule anywhere that states that "Any full $60 game title must have an online matchmaking multiplayer experience".

  • 07.06.2009 3:10 PM PDT

My honor student can beat up your honor student.

Halo 3 ODST WAS a standalone expansion when it was just you playing through the campaign in a linear fashion back in September of last year when it was said it would be $30-$40. However, as you may have noticed, they changed that. Now it is hub-stylized game with 4+ "flashback" missions, not to mention a new game mode called Firefight, plus a key to unlock the beta to a whole new game, along with 3 new Halo 3 maps.
The halo 3 maps were extra, and based on Halo 3's price of $60, you should be thanking Bungie for their price.

Let's see:

Full campaign: $40 (price it would have been if just that)
Firefight: $20
3 New Maps: $10
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$70 bucks right there. Whoa! Its more than sixty dollars. Your already paying less than you should. Now add,

halo 3's shipped maps: $20
Heroic map pack: $10
Legendary Map pack: $10
Mythic map pack 1: $10
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Now its $120! Wow, that's, like twice the price you're paying! Dang, thank you Bungie for being so nice and making us pay only half of the original price! We should just shut the hell up about prices and just not buy it if we are such cheapskates.

End of Thread. :)

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It's got Halo 3 in the title, its an expansion!

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
according to a Microsoft employee when cornered by Joysiq about the price increase compared to what had originally been hypothesized by Bungie, he said:

"At the time of those statements, the overall scope of Halo 3: ODST was not yet finalized, and since then the project has grown increasingly more ambitious. We believe this standalone experience is MUCH MORE THAN JUST AN EXPANSION"

so what does this mean?

it means this is considered a full game, not an expansion. Bungie has said it has a longer campaign now, it has much more to it than they originally planned.
no it means that it's a standalone expansion which of course means it's a expansion that contains a seperate majority of the game so the multiplayer is still halo 3 but the campaign is sepratly ODST

  • 07.06.2009 3:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Arbiduck
Thank you for posting this. I am goddamn tired of the little kids who whine about an "expansion" being $60. they need to make the money. Hell, I payed EIGHTY DOLLARS for it here in Canada. It more expensive than in the U.S.

Children need to quit whining, and just NOT BUY THE game if they are that mad about the price.

Arbiduck... where in Canada are you from. I live in Calgary and EB is still selling it for 59.99...

Brandon, Manitoba. the Pre-Order total at EB Games came to $78.96.

THAT is overpriced.

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
according to a Microsoft employee when cornered by Joysiq about the price increase compared to what had originally been hypothesized by Bungie, he said:

"At the time of those statements, the overall scope of Halo 3: ODST was not yet finalized, and since then the project has grown increasingly more ambitious. We believe this standalone experience is MUCH MORE THAN JUST AN EXPANSION"

so what does this mean?

it means this is considered a full game, not an expansion. Bungie has said it has a longer campaign now, it has much more to it than they originally planned.
no it means that it's a standalone expansion which of course means it's a expansion that contains a seperate majority of the game so the multiplayer is still halo 3 but the campaign is sepratly ODST

Well said!

The quote was taken out of context anyway. Just read my post (top of this page). But still, couldn't have said this better myself.

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Yeah, that's what I've been trying to get across to people. Taking account the best campaign of every Halo game, the new game mode, the full Halo 3 multiplayer experience, and the Halo Reach beta... it's much more than an expansion. It's the best Halo game yet.

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Posted by: The_omen
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Posted by: Phoenix1330
according to a Microsoft employee when cornered by Joysiq about the price increase compared to what had originally been hypothesized by Bungie, he said:

"At the time of those statements, the overall scope of Halo 3: ODST was not yet finalized, and since then the project has grown increasingly more ambitious. We believe this standalone experience is MUCH MORE THAN JUST AN EXPANSION"

so what does this mean?

it means this is considered a full game, not an expansion. Bungie has said it has a longer campaign now, it has much more to it than they originally planned.
no it means that it's a standalone expansion which of course means it's a expansion that contains a seperate majority of the game so the multiplayer is still halo 3 but the campaign is sepratly ODST

Well said!

The quote was taken out of context anyway. Just read my post (top of this page). But still, couldn't have said this better myself.
thanks!

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Guys isn't ODST coming in one box with 2 discs one multiplayer one campaign and firefight

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