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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Frnksnbns
They can't fix the netcode without extensive work, ain't gonna happen. Besides, the lead is part of the game and after 5 plus years it would make no sense to have everyone relearn how to play the game.

God forbid players have to play the game the way it was INTENDED to be played rather than what ended up happening.

That's like whining if they were to take out the reload glitch.

  • 07.08.2009 4:03 PM PDT

Posted by: DusK
Posted by: Frnksnbns
They can't fix the netcode without extensive work, ain't gonna happen. Besides, the lead is part of the game and after 5 plus years it would make no sense to have everyone relearn how to play the game.

God forbid players have to play the game the way it was INTENDED to be played rather than what ended up happening.

That's like whining if they were to take out the reload glitch.


Alot of people would be annoyed if they took out the reload glitch....

  • 07.08.2009 6:05 PM PDT

All I ask is that you don't try to capture me.

Backpack reload, massive lead, the little ding sound, all the little glitches, quirks and flaws are what make Halo PC what it is. Removing them after 7 years of existence would be insane, not to mention impossible.

Honestly, I can't see any way to do something good for HPC. The Halo community is either completely ignorant of the game, content to blather on about the Xbox games and all their immaturity; or diehard fans of HPC who bicker constantly about the state of their game and what should or shouldn't be fixed.

From what I heard from the podcast, no one really knows where the full HPC sourcecode is. No one's even been paying attention to this game besides Sawnose and Wolf. So yeah, I don't see any significant upgrades to the game coming out soon.

  • 07.08.2009 7:23 PM PDT
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The source is not lost. Not sure who gave you that impression.

  • 07.08.2009 7:49 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Yeah, the source is prolly on a flash drive in some Bungie software engineer's desk.

  • 07.08.2009 11:48 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Roger (sawnose) said he had the code on a dev machine.

  • 07.08.2009 11:49 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Well thar we go.

Speaking about lead, I could swear I remember some post on the Gearbox forums about how leading would have been unnecessary if they had dropped 56k support.

Anyone else remember something like that?

  • 07.08.2009 11:56 PM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

Posted by: DusK
Well thar we go.

Speaking about lead, I could swear I remember some post on the Gearbox forums about how leading would have been unnecessary if they had dropped 56k support.

Anyone else remember something like that?


I know what post you're talking about... I'm actually looking for it right now lol, but Google is failing me :(

Would be nice if someone could get us a link if you have it. It was a good read.

EDIT: I found it! http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=23429

[Edited on 07.09.2009 1:27 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2009 1:17 AM PDT

Wish Halo 3 PC would come out sooner... :(

online co-op would be most interesting.
I would like it if they could sync AI, scripts, moving objects that retain collision.
Infection mode?
or how about Survival, since these maps allow ai to be added.

[Edited on 07.09.2009 3:24 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2009 3:23 AM PDT

All I ask is that you don't try to capture me.

That was a nice read, Chaosenemy.

And yeah, I guess they still do have the sourcecode. My bad. I still think they won't be updating it anytime soon, tho.

  • 07.09.2009 8:31 AM PDT

*has his 25-digit CD key memorized*

  • 07.09.2009 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Btcc22
So, can I sell those games I paid for once I'm done with them? Nope.

Could they decide to ban all my games at once for no reason and leave me with nothing? Pretty much.


Nobody is trying to force you to use Steam. It's nice to have a digital distribution option though. I pay less in the long run, so I don't worry too much about making 10-15 dollars back on used games anymore. If I wanted to, I could always sell my Steam account under the radar.

  • 07.09.2009 12:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: DusK
Well thar we go.

Speaking about lead, I could swear I remember some post on the Gearbox forums about how leading would have been unnecessary if they had dropped 56k support.

Anyone else remember something like that?


For the record Gearbox was against 56k support, Microsoft as the owner of the game forced them to include it. It was a decision made by Microsoft.

  • 07.09.2009 1:05 PM PDT

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I hope they make the ai sync and maybe in game voice chat would be nice.

  • 07.09.2009 1:33 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

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Posted by: DusK
Well thar we go.

Speaking about lead, I could swear I remember some post on the Gearbox forums about how leading would have been unnecessary if they had dropped 56k support.

Anyone else remember something like that?


For the record Gearbox was against 56k support, Microsoft as the owner of the game forced them to include it. It was a decision made by Microsoft.

Stupid Microshaft. HPC could have been so much better if it weren't for all those mandates.

  • 07.09.2009 11:50 PM PDT

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Hi /r/halo on Reddit!

Or maybe Gearbox should have had the skill to make a game work with 56k. Which apparently only they had a problem with~~~~

  • 07.10.2009 2:37 PM PDT
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Darn it, I dont have Halo PC anymore....just Halo 2 Vista which I've been playing on a daily basis lately.

  • 07.10.2009 3:00 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: FyreWulff Rex
Or maybe Gearbox should have had the skill to make a game work with 56k. Which apparently only they had a problem with~~~~

Are you an idiot? This isn't UT99 we're talking about here. This is Halo. There is an assload of info that shifts between the client and server, far more than other games that support 56k.

It's amazing Gearbox got the game working at all considering what Microsoft mandated.

  • 07.10.2009 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: DusK
Posted by: FyreWulff Rex
Or maybe Gearbox should have had the skill to make a game work with 56k. Which apparently only they had a problem with~~~~

Are you an idiot? This isn't UT99 we're talking about here. This is Halo. There is an assload of info that shifts between the client and server, far more than other games that support 56k.

It's amazing Gearbox got the game working at all considering what Microsoft mandated.


Hi. I've shipped two games with online multiplayer that are pushing more information than Halo PC could ever dream of doing, and they worked just fine over 56k. Seems to me that Gearbox designed it for LAN first and the internet second.

  • 07.10.2009 5:32 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Awesome. Now work with a client that throws a bunch of idiotic mandates at you and do the same thing. Better yet, port a 6th-gen console game that was originally built for LAN play to PC and make it work with 56k.

Posted on Gearbox forums by: Reppyboyo
The 56k decision affected the accuracy and frequency of the network updates. Nothing we could or can do.

I think for LAN play a deterministic, synchronous system is about as fair as it gets. I was once one of the best Doom 2 players in the entire world. I know all about it. But, even with that daisy-chain networking system, we used to -blam!- and moan and whine that the "green" doomguy had some kind of inherant advantage and the reason was locked away in the source code somewhere. Since the source code was released, I still haven't been able to figure it out, but I'm sure it's there. We were all sure it's there.

Halo PC netcode is what it is for a reason. It had to be the way it is and any experienced and capable networking programmer would've made similar conclusions.

I know we don't like the answer - I know *I* don't like the answer - but it's a true answer.

As we got to the end of the project, I pushed hard. I wanted that same feel as the synched/deterministic LAN game on the Xbox. The engineers sat me down and told me the score, drew diagrams about the software architecture, the way the internet works and the challenges that they faced with the specification and they showed me why it had to be that way. The specification dictated the code and vice versa. For the last several months, the Bungie and Microsoft guys were in it just as deep as the Gearbox guys were - writing code, prioritizing tasks, etc. It was a group effort and it was pretty hard-core, non-stop - even bonding, if you can call it that.

The things that changed between the beta version and the final version of Halo PC were *required* in order to fit the specification of 56k. These changes were driven by the bug database and every bit of code change was crosschecked by multiple Gearbox AND Bungie / MS engineers.

The beta code you think was great was actually Gearbox netcode. The fact that it was less laggy is revealing about Gearbox's holding out for a broadband standard. But, the specification was mandated for us. Halo PC is a work for hire and, as professionals, the Gearbox developers did what they were told. After all, it was not their property, it was Microsoft's / Bungie's.

It's really frustrating for us to get the finger pointed at us for decisions we are not responsible for. It's even more frustrating when we try to be diplomatic about it and then we get blamed even more. We don't want to point fingers at Microsoft because we understand their decisions. I'm not sure if I would've made the same decisions if I was in their position, but it's possible.


Gearbox had a lot more on their plate than you think. And they kicked as much ass as anyone could have. But I'll pass your name along to Bungie. If anyone can get H3PC working on 56k, it's you, right Rex?

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Posted by: slayermaster93
I hope they make the ai sync and maybe in game voice chat would be nice.

Yeah, that would be cool too.

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nice read chaosenemy a new hpc update would be nice.
but i bet its just gonna have something to do with ODST or REACH
sadly :(

  • 07.11.2009 4:25 AM PDT

Posted by: Yay Cyanide
nice read chaosenemy a new hpc update would be nice.
but i bet its just gonna have something to do with ODST or REACH
sadly :(


I feel somewhat the same, but Roger does mention the halo 1 source.
So it would be odd.

I have the feeling we'll soon are able to see heat maps for Halo 1.

  • 07.11.2009 6:35 AM PDT

Wish Halo 3 PC would come out sooner... :(

I would like them to...
Sync AI
Sync (all kinds of) Scripts
Sync Cutscenes

Online co-op, with same limit as Multiplayer.

Collision for Moving vehicles, like some ships, lose collision when Driven.
upgrade game engine.

  • 07.11.2009 7:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Yay Cyanide
nice read chaosenemy a new hpc update would be nice.
but i bet its just gonna have something to do with ODST or REACH
sadly :(


I feel somewhat the same, but Roger does mention the halo 1 source.
So it would be odd.

I have the feeling we'll soon are able to see heat maps for Halo 1.


I don't know about you lot, but after all these years I have heatmaps imprinted on my memory.

  • 07.11.2009 10:36 AM PDT

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