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Subject: The maps are NOT making ODST $60

I have a better idea: how about we turn our arguments against the people who don't want to buy the DLC. There have been disscssions about this on Halo 3 Forum, and I feel that I and the Halo 3 Majority are owning these "but i don't want to pay for maps, but Bungie should listen to me" kiddies. LOL.

  • 07.09.2009 10:44 AM PDT

Far Cry Instincts Evolution was a stand alone expansion which was little shorter than the original (instincts), same as Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike (which had additional game modes) and both were at reduced prices because they ARE expansions. Games based on the same engine graphics and all than its predecessor, it isn't Halo THREE ODST for a reason, it's because it's made with things tools and all already made for H3, otherwise it would have been Halo ODST like Halo 2 wasn't Halo: part two or Halo 3 wasn't Halo 2 or Halo: final part. It costs them far less to make (random number: half the Halo 3 team), they only had to make a short campaign which consists of one huge map as well as a small mp team designing ONE co-op game mode.

SO, all in all you got to pay full price for a short game based on a 2 years old engine and all, 2 years old played to death mp maps with a COUPLE of new ones from a 2 years old mp system and a new small co-op mode made via a 2 years old engine. 60 $ bucks as a COMPLETELY new game. SURE! Halo is the best selling 360 game, M$ ought to find a way to rip off more of the fans. It's not about Bungie, people, it's about M$, so stop backing Bungie. It's a question of principles.

I can pay it, that's not the question, it's a question of principles, if you're always acting: "stop complaining", those companies will continue ripping you off. Sure we can't do nothing about it, but being conscious is a lot better, when you'll have to make a choice about something you can have more power on, if everybody is conscious about that, things will be a lot better for. Saying it won't change anything and all will only help them make more money on your back. Stop you're blatant fanboism, and think for a couple of seconds, that's because of people like you, people that don't care, that some things aren't better, than the ratio of people voting is so low (at least where I live) and that we can't ask to be more respected.

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  • 07.09.2009 10:49 AM PDT

Here's where the funnies come in, coming from someone who is a pc gamer and thereby knows what an expansion pack is

1. ODST isn't an expansion pack. And expansion pack typically is more or less more of the same. More missions, sometimes new units, but nothing huge. You wouldn't be suprised if these things were revealed later in the game. ODST, if you had a level from it in Halo3, you'd think something weird just happened.

2. Expansion packs only cost $10 less on pc

  • 07.09.2009 10:53 AM PDT

dude it is not an expanshion pack dumass! it is a full game itself. if you would just read the OP and let your feeble little mind wrap around the fact that it has a full campaign, new fireright mode with theatre(something that most "regular" games dont have cough force unleashed cough) than you will understand.

  • 07.09.2009 10:53 AM PDT

Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
dude it is not an expanshion pack dumass! it is a full game itself. if you would just read the OP and let your feeble little mind wrap around the fact that it has a full campaign, new fireright mode with theatre(something that most "regular" games dont have cough force unleashed cough) than you will understand.


Didn't we already have a theatre mode? The answer is yes, and where do you get off insulting people because they don't agree with you? It has Halo "3" see the "3" on it. If it was a full game why didn't they just call it: Halo: ODST? Because it is an expansion pack based on the Halo 3 engine, so stop saying that it is a full game, it really isn't.

  • 07.09.2009 10:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Here's where the funnies come in, coming from someone who is a pc gamer and thereby knows what an expansion pack is

1. ODST isn't an expansion pack. And expansion pack typically is more or less more of the same. More missions, sometimes new units, but nothing huge. You wouldn't be suprised if these things were revealed later in the game. ODST, if you had a level from it in Halo3, you'd think something weird just happened.

2. Expansion packs only cost $10 less on pc


?? Have you played the original Ghost Recons? That's a lot comparable to ODST, the only thing is that they changed some gameplay things, that's all, it's the SAME base, so that immediately makes it an expansion, no matter what, the length doesn't matter at all. Oblivion isn't an "Ultra game" because it's so long, and Shivering Isles wasn't considered a full game even if it's longer than Halo 3. An album can be 20 minutes as well as 2 hours and be priced the same way. Same for games, it runs on the SAME -blam!- engine, graphics and all, they didn't BUILT anything for the game, they used things already made to continue, enhance the experience, therefore it IS an expansion no matter what additional content new or old you add.

Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
dude it is not an expanshion pack dumass! it is a full game itself. if you would just read the OP and let your feeble little mind wrap around the fact that it has a full campaign, new fireright mode with theatre(something that most "regular" games dont have cough force unleashed cough) than you will understand.


Have you read my post beyond : it's not a full game? Have you ever tried to comprehend things and not being a so much of an hardcore Halo fans to understand it is not the best thing to have happen on Earth and that it can be overpriced? Halo is not the be-all end-all of things, deal with it. If you like to be ripped off without any conscience, fine, but I have a brain and I know how to use it, I will buy it but I will know M$ just wanted more of my cash.

And again, length and things added has NOTHING to do with if a game is a full one or not. If we take back the example of Oblivion, almost every game should be considered an expansion because they are so short compared to it.

It has been stated many times now that while ODST was considered an expansion, ITS NOT ANYMORE. ITS NOW CONSIDERED A FULL GAME WITH A LONGER CAMPAIGN THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED.

I think you missed something, Microsoft said ODST would be considered a full game because of the ADDITIONAL campaign, and not its length. And like some say: "no matter what you say" it IS still the same engine, they still haven't BUILT anything to make the game, and they haven't took out the 3 in the title. It like took them a fraction of the time to make H3 to make.

[Edited on 07.09.2009 11:18 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2009 10:57 AM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.

Posted by: GrnDragn
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I don't care what you say, the game is not worth 60 bucks, no game should be worth same cost as the game you have to have.


QFT! An expansion pack shouldn't cost the same as a regular game. The only reason it is the price that it is is because of the maps and the multiplayer.
It's not an expansion.

  • 07.09.2009 11:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.


?? Have you played the original Ghost Recons? That's a lot comparable to ODST, the only thing is that they changed some gameplay things, that's all, it's the SAME base, so that immediately makes it an expansion, no matter what, the length doesn't matter at all. Oblivion isn't an "Ultra game" because it's so long, and Shivering Isles wasn't considered a full game even if it's longer than Halo 3. An album can be 20 minutes as well as 2 hours and be priced the same way. Same for games, it runs on the SAME -blam!- engine, graphics and all, they didn't BUILT anything for the game, they used things already made to continue, enhance the experience, therefore it IS an expansion no matter what additional content new or old you add.
Expansions are DLC or missions added onto the game. ODST is an original campaign with an original new mode and later on a beta. It also has the old H3 multiplayer. It's more like Pokemon Red and Blue that an expansion. On top of that it is a stand alone game.

  • 07.09.2009 11:16 AM PDT

Posted by: The EAKLE

?? Have you played the original Ghost Recons? That's a lot comparable to ODST, the only thing is that they changed some gameplay things, that's all, it's the SAME base, so that immediately makes it an expansion, no matter what, the length doesn't matter at all. Oblivion isn't an "Ultra game" because it's so long, and Shivering Isles wasn't considered a full game even if it's longer than Halo 3. An album can be 20 minutes as well as 2 hours and be priced the same way. Same for games, it runs on the SAME -blam!- engine, graphics and all, they didn't BUILT anything for the game, they used things already made to continue, enhance the experience, therefore it IS an expansion no matter what additional content new or old you add.
Expansions are DLC or missions added onto the game. ODST is an original campaign with an original new mode and later on a beta. It also has the old H3 multiplayer. It's more like Pokemon Red and Blue that an expansion. On top of that it is a stand alone game.


Have you read? Dersert Siege, Island Thunder were all expansions with an original campaign based on the same engine. They were sold for cheaper. Both expansions for ghost Recon 2 and Far Cry instincts were STAND ALONE expansions with new modes, priced the price of an expansion. They didn't BUILT anything from the ground up in case you didn't understand.

  • 07.09.2009 11:21 AM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.

Posted by: Evil Johnny
Posted by: The EAKLE

?? Have you played the original Ghost Recons? That's a lot comparable to ODST, the only thing is that they changed some gameplay things, that's all, it's the SAME base, so that immediately makes it an expansion, no matter what, the length doesn't matter at all. Oblivion isn't an "Ultra game" because it's so long, and Shivering Isles wasn't considered a full game even if it's longer than Halo 3. An album can be 20 minutes as well as 2 hours and be priced the same way. Same for games, it runs on the SAME -blam!- engine, graphics and all, they didn't BUILT anything for the game, they used things already made to continue, enhance the experience, therefore it IS an expansion no matter what additional content new or old you add.
Expansions are DLC or missions added onto the game. ODST is an original campaign with an original new mode and later on a beta. It also has the old H3 multiplayer. It's more like Pokemon Red and Blue that an expansion. On top of that it is a stand alone game.


Have you read? Dersert Siege, Island Thunder were all expansions with an original campaign based on the same engine. They were sold for cheaper. Both expansions for ghost Recon 2 and Far Cry instincts were STAND ALONE expansions with new modes, priced the price of an expansion. They didn't BUILT anything from the ground up in case you didn't understand.
I did understand, but my point is that this is a new game worth $60, and the pricing of old games wont change that. I dont see your issue really. Who cares if it's the same engine? It wont even play the same, and Halo 3 did not have firefight.

  • 07.09.2009 11:24 AM PDT
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this is the stupidest argument your gonna get the game whether its $10 or $150. if your arguing about a game, especially on the developer's site, your gonna buy it.. now shut up.

  • 07.09.2009 11:26 AM PDT
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this is the stupidest argument your gonna get the game whether its $10 or $150. if your arguing about a game, especially on the developer's site, your gonna buy it.. now shut up.

  • 07.09.2009 11:27 AM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.

Posted by: A Kind Sage
this is the stupidest argument your gonna get the game whether its $10 or $150. if your arguing about a game, especially on the developer's site, your gonna buy it.. now shut up.

1) I would never pay $150 for a game.

2) No need to be so rude. This is a forum, people discuss stuff.

  • 07.09.2009 11:28 AM PDT

Anyone who disagrees with this is dumb.

  • 07.09.2009 11:29 AM PDT

Anyone who disagrees with this is dumb.

  • 07.09.2009 11:29 AM PDT
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think about it. why would you write an essay arguing whether its an expansion pack or a independent game. cant you think of anything to talk about.

  • 07.09.2009 11:30 AM PDT

Posted by: GrnDragn
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
dude it is not an expanshion pack dumass! it is a full game itself. if you would just read the OP and let your feeble little mind wrap around the fact that it has a full campaign, new fireright mode with theatre(something that most "regular" games dont have cough force unleashed cough) than you will understand.


Didn't we already have a theatre mode? The answer is yes, and where do you get off insulting people because they don't agree with you? It has Halo "3" see the "3" on it. If it was a full game why didn't they just call it: Halo: ODST? Because it is an expansion pack based on the Halo 3 engine, so stop saying that it is a full game, it really isn't.

well why are you calling it an expansion when it has all the things of a full game?

  • 07.09.2009 11:33 AM PDT
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[quote]Posted by: The EAKLE

1) I would never pay $150 for a game.

yea you would its a new halo game and your registered on this site + your talking about it on a forum... you couldnt think of a better way to spend $150

  • 07.09.2009 11:33 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: GrnDragn
Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
dude it is not an expanshion pack dumass! it is a full game itself. if you would just read the OP and let your feeble little mind wrap around the fact that it has a full campaign, new fireright mode with theatre(something that most "regular" games dont have cough force unleashed cough) than you will understand.


Didn't we already have a theatre mode? The answer is yes, and where do you get off insulting people because they don't agree with you? It has Halo "3" see the "3" on it. If it was a full game why didn't they just call it: Halo: ODST? Because it is an expansion pack based on the Halo 3 engine, so stop saying that it is a full game, it really isn't.


my theory? they don't change the name because they did this already and it costs alot to change the name nearing the end of production. lots of stuff to change

  • 07.09.2009 11:33 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Evil Johnny
Posted by: Smug Dark Loser
Here's where the funnies come in, coming from someone who is a pc gamer and thereby knows what an expansion pack is

1. ODST isn't an expansion pack. And expansion pack typically is more or less more of the same. More missions, sometimes new units, but nothing huge. You wouldn't be suprised if these things were revealed later in the game. ODST, if you had a level from it in Halo3, you'd think something weird just happened.

2. Expansion packs only cost $10 less on pc


?? Have you played the original Ghost Recons? That's a lot comparable to ODST, the only thing is that they changed some gameplay things, that's all, it's the SAME base, so that immediately makes it an expansion, no matter what, the length doesn't matter at all. Oblivion isn't an "Ultra game" because it's so long, and Shivering Isles wasn't considered a full game even if it's longer than Halo 3. An album can be 20 minutes as well as 2 hours and be priced the same way. Same for games, it runs on the SAME -blam!- engine, graphics and all, they didn't BUILT anything for the game, they used things already made to continue, enhance the experience, therefore it IS an expansion no matter what additional content new or old you add.

Posted by: EnragedAUSTIN11
dude it is not an expanshion pack dumass! it is a full game itself. if you would just read the OP and let your feeble little mind wrap around the fact that it has a full campaign, new fireright mode with theatre(something that most "regular" games dont have cough force unleashed cough) than you will understand.


Have you read my post beyond : it's not a full game? Have you ever tried to comprehend things and not being a so much of an hardcore Halo fans to understand it is not the best thing to have happen on Earth and that it can be overpriced? Halo is not the be-all end-all of things, deal with it. If you like to be ripped off without any conscience, fine, but I have a brain and I know how to use it, I will buy it but I will know M$ just wanted more of my cash.

And again, length and things added has NOTHING to do with if a game is a full one or not. If we take back the example of Oblivion, almost every game should be considered an expansion because they are so short compared to it.

It has been stated many times now that while ODST was considered an expansion, ITS NOT ANYMORE. ITS NOW CONSIDERED A FULL GAME WITH A LONGER CAMPAIGN THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED.

I think you missed something, Microsoft said ODST would be considered a full game because of the ADDITIONAL campaign, and not its length. And like some say: "no matter what you say" it IS still the same engine, they still haven't BUILT anything to make the game, and they haven't took out the 3 in the title. It like took them a fraction of the time to make H3 to make.
two thirds of the time.

  • 07.09.2009 11:35 AM PDT

http://kotaku.com/5274549/

yes, the maps are part of the price.

[Edited on 07.09.2009 11:40 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2009 11:39 AM PDT
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I'm not arguing whether or not it is an expansion.

I'm saying that it is no longer considered an expansion BECAUSE it includes H3's multiplayer. I think this is not fair because I already paid money in Halo 3 (for the multiplayer).

And before anyone asks, WE ARE paying for it (and the maps). Microsoft has stated this twice. I have posted links all across this site. People can't seem to understand the problem.

We're paying for something twice.

  • 07.09.2009 11:41 AM PDT

I am going to go bash non-DLC having players now. I'm going to preorder it today anyway. So every argument for or against is pointless, seeing as how we are all going to buy it anyway. Time to go bash some of those "but I don't have the maps, but I still want to play full matchmaking" kiddies in the Halo 3 forum. Have fun.

  • 07.09.2009 11:41 AM PDT

That article states it is not a full game and is priced so because MICROSOFT thinks it has enough CONTENT. Content does not make the price. See Halo 3: it had tons of features other FPS didn't have. See Oblivion: one of the longest game.

Microsoft wagers that enough content will be packed into the game's box to warrant a $59.99 price tag.

That means Microsoft isn't debating if it's an expansion or not, they're debating it has enough content. Basically, they say it's a spinoff/expansion/whatever and that the content makes for it. If they try to prove ODST has enough content to warrant the price, that means they don't consider it a full game, otherwise they wouldn't be saying things like that.

And do you know why they put so much publicity on firefight, a small co-op MODE? To divert from the fact that besides getting a new short campaign, you get pretty much nothing. I think people will get to realize that when they'll have the game in their hands. I mean, I never ever heard a company putting much publicity on a single game mode to warrant a purchase.

Microsoft also cannot forget to say it features a free thing too, the beta key. It's so obvious M$ are all in for the money.

[Edited on 07.09.2009 11:52 AM PDT]

  • 07.09.2009 11:48 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Nosferatu486
http://kotaku.com/5274549/

yes, the maps are part of the price.


This article does not say what is part of the price. it is typical PR crap that avoids the question asked

  • 07.09.2009 11:53 AM PDT