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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

Now this is mostly speculation but I have an idea about what the story might be about. THE BATTLE OF REACH! But no seriously. In the books Hasley and the spartans discover Forerunner ruins on Reach. These ruins where buried deep beneth a mountain on reach. In side was a crystal that was able to bend the fabric of space and time. Threw the course of the book the crystal was blone up and flew into slip space and pieces where recovered by the covenant. Truth said there was enough for what he needed. Now lets fast forward to Halo3. Truth lands on the portal with his magical Forerunner space shuttle and somehow activates the portal. How does this magical portal work? Well its basiclly a worm whole that connects two seperate areas of space time together in a tunnel. I believe that portal uses the crystal to bend space time.


Then theres the entire thing with chief going threw the portal (cortana said so and if not he would have been killed by the halo effect). So technicly going into a tunnel of space time and it falls appart leaving you in a cross demention bettween physical space could infact have time traveling effects but that not what this thread is about so im not going there.

Now then there are probably more forerunner structures hidden on Reach just below the surface. In the second book first strike John sees Reach and there was only a small patch left where the covenant where escavating the crystal place. My guess is MB (the oracle from the Harvest book) told Truth the crystal was there (see The great scavenger hunt thread in the universe forum, its located in top forum topics). Now also see the secrets of sandbox (also located at top forum topics). So my guess is during and right after the initial battle of Reach the covenant searched all the forerunner structures and thats probably going to be a lead part of the story. And Reach might even be a Fortress world like that in Halo Wars and Ghost of Onyx.

I would also like to point out the banner above. It says Falls 2010. When I first saw that I thought ODST helljumpers. But the banner shows Master Chief and his squad not ODST (assuming). Just pointing that out it may have significants. But how could it be the spartans? In the book there never together during the battle of reach. So it could be ODST after all. And to me only the one on the far left looks massive enough to be a spartan. Again just pointing things out here. Please, Disscuss....

  • 07.08.2009 4:58 PM PDT

Phoenix is dead, long live Phoenix!
Is it?

This has been speculated many a time. The majority believe that it will be set during the Fall of Reach and First Strike.

Oh and we also believe that it will be a MMORPGFPSWTFBBQIRG8

Edit the last pasrt wasn't really neccisary, but I needed to let it out my system.

[Edited on 07.08.2009 5:06 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2009 5:04 PM PDT

With great challenge can come great reward

I think that story is intresting and could be true but I think its a bit too complex for most people to unerstand and I'm one of them

  • 07.08.2009 5:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Lai Tasha x
This has been speculated many a time. The majority believe that it will be set during the Fall of Reach and First Strike.

Oh and we also believe that it will be a MMORPGFPSWTFBBQIRG8

Edit the last pasrt wasn't really neccisary, but I needed to let it out my system.



What exact part has been speculated before? o and WTF IS A MMORPGGPSWTFBBQIRG8? IT SOUNDS AWSOME!

I had to.

  • 07.08.2009 5:11 PM PDT

Ugh...

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Maybe, John goes through that portal, and it brings him back in time, oh no, not to Reach, but to Forerunner time! :O

  • 07.08.2009 5:15 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: x Lai Tasha x
This has been speculated many a time. The majority believe that it will be set during the Fall of Reach and First Strike.

Oh and we also believe that it will be a MMORPGFPSWTFBBQIRG8


Really!?!?!, were finally going to get our Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game First Person Shooter When The Flood BarBeQue Is Really Great? That's awesome.

[Edited on 07.08.2009 5:25 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2009 5:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Maybe, John goes through that portal, and it brings him back in time, oh no, not to Reach, but to Forerunner time! :O


I actualy stated that once but it got no attention. :(
It would be awsome, and make sense.


"from the beggining you know the end" (but sadly it woudn't have anything to do with this game).

  • 07.08.2009 5:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Maybe, John goes through that portal, and it brings him back in time, oh no, not to Reach, but to Forerunner time! :O


I actualy stated that once but it got no attention. :(
It would be awsome, and make sense.


"from the beggining you know the end" (but sadly it woudn't have anything to do with this game).


It would be ghey.

Time travel sucks.

  • 07.08.2009 5:26 PM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: Agustus
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Maybe, John goes through that portal, and it brings him back in time, oh no, not to Reach, but to Forerunner time! :O


I actualy stated that once but it got no attention. :(
It would be awsome, and make sense.


How would time travel make sense?

  • 07.08.2009 5:34 PM PDT
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that sounds really cool,it makes sense to me,its not confusing.

  • 07.08.2009 5:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Maybe, John goes through that portal, and it brings him back in time, oh no, not to Reach, but to Forerunner time! :O


I actualy stated that once but it got no attention. :(
It would be awsome, and make sense.


"from the beggining you know the end" (but sadly it woudn't have anything to do with this game).


It would be ghey.

Time travel sucks.


I once thought that too. You just have to embrace the possibility (and its just a possibility). Going through a wormhole and multiple dementions when it closes leaving you in a turbulant void of broken space time fabric which "stitches" itself back together when the portal closes. That could = ending up back in time. Or forward in time for that matter. But I don't think the planet at end is Reach at all.

  • 07.08.2009 5:37 PM PDT

small heads up, not all Spartans were men, and yes some of the armor for the ones on the sides are smaller or thin. just a heads up. Kelly, Linda, Grace. only some of the Halo universe female Spartans i know of. Grace and Kelly r on reach and did fight through the battle of reach. And for the Story i hope its good. and jumps from Main Spartans point of views.

  • 07.08.2009 5:47 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

I read the books. And about the time travel did you not read about it in my initial post? Its a small little couple of sentences. And it would make sense because 343 guilty spark says so. Lets not forget halo 1 pepole.


343 guilty spark: "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done? Last time you asked me... if it where my choice, would i do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. We must activate the rings."

Time travel has been a Bungie idea from the start.

  • 07.08.2009 6:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Agustus
I read the books. And about the time travel did you not read about it in my initial post? Its a small little couple of sentences. And it would make sense because 343 guilty spark says so. Lets not forget halo 1 pepole.


343 guilty spark: "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done? Last time you asked me... if it where my choice, would i do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. We must activate the rings."

Time travel has been a Bungie idea from the start.


Guilty Spark has quite possibly gone mad (rampant) by the time Cheif meets him.
Also we know Forerunner and Humanity have some sort of similarities.

  • 07.08.2009 6:47 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

Forerunner constructs seem to have practicly become immune to rampacy. Just the fact they can function perfectly after 100,000 years is testament. The forerunner probably found ways to stop the A.I. programming from intertwining and falling apart. Only MB has evedince of going rampant and thats because he was screwed up real good by the gravemind. He even says that his capacity was his weeknes. Also all that data cortana retrievs from the first halo might hold the key to her survival (unless it was indeed a piece of MB inside of halo). O and sparky going mad in halo 3. Thats was probably because his ring was deystroeyed and he was just a bit shaked up from time.

  • 07.08.2009 6:56 PM PDT

I respect that arguement but what other Forerunner A.I. have we run into? Tangent was well corrupted and possibly under Gravemind telepathic assault.

Guilty Spark (to me) seems rampant during Halo 1, as he constantly hums and talks to himself and believes he is superior to just about anything (one of the signs of Rampantcy) and is delusional (repeatedly calling himself a genius)

Cortana may/may not be vulnerable to rampantcy as she was based upon one of Humanities best minds (Halsey) but I doubt if data gathered from Halo 01 would help preserve her as she said it was thousands of years worth of weather reports, repairs, maintinance, and flood reports.

Also MB wasn't really rampant he just thought the Gravemind had a better arguement then the Forerunners, the Gravemind convinced him that the folld was the next step in evolution and that if the forerunners were truly going to hold up the mantle, then they would help the flood not hinder it.

  • 07.08.2009 7:09 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

Tangent was corrupted by the gravemind which is why he was screwed up. Guilty spark was getting there in halo 1. MB as you said didn't really go rampant, also just corrupted by the gravemind. But they lasted 100,000 years in almost perfect working condition. And if we choose to believe that the information cortana absorbed in halo 1 is a piece of MB (see the great scavenger hunt in top topics of the universe forum) then cortana can hold the key to lasting as long as MB.

  • 07.09.2009 9:45 AM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

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Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Maybe, John goes through that portal, and it brings him back in time, oh no, not to Reach, but to Forerunner time! :O
I was somewhat sarcastic at the time of posting with a hint of "What if".

Now that I think about it, this could be a future plot, 343 has said some wierd things right, like "YOU ARE FORERUNNER", which leads me to turn that "What if" into a "Maybe".

I mean, it sounds stupid, but who knows.

I am not speculating the plot of Halo: Reach, but just Halo plot altogether.

  • 07.09.2009 9:57 AM PDT

I'm assuming you forgot falls probably means Reach will Fall. i.e. Fall of Reach. Fall 2010 doesn't point to helljumpers.

  • 07.09.2009 10:46 AM PDT

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You do realise that you can't go further than the 60th minute in an hour right?

Yeah ok, maybe not in Canada...

I'm guessing that many sections of the game will include events that weren't touched on in the book. Maybe we will get to go on infiltration missions into rebel camps and things like that. Eventually it will lead into the major battles and the Fall of Reach and maybe First Strike.

  • 07.09.2009 10:51 AM PDT

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I'm fairly sure that when we take the MC's role again it will be centuries/millenia/aeons after the events of H3. It allows Bungie to completely reimagine the entire setting.

There better not be any time travel involved. This isn't rubbish sci-fi like SG1 for goodness sake.

  • 07.09.2009 10:52 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: Agustus
Forerunner constructs seem to have practicly become immune to rampacy. Just the fact they can function perfectly after 100,000 years is testament. The forerunner probably found ways to stop the A.I. programming from intertwining and falling apart. Only MB has evedince of going rampant and thats because he was screwed up real good by the gravemind. He even says that his capacity was his weeknes. Also all that data cortana retrievs from the first halo might hold the key to her survival (unless it was indeed a piece of MB inside of halo). O and sparky going mad in halo 3. Thats was probably because his ring was deystroeyed and he was just a bit shaked up from time.


How do you figure dude? Spark was mad from the get-go, and it is evident in the things he says both in Halo CE while playing The Library and in comments made in The Flood. Forerunner AI doesn't play by the same rules as UNSC AI, remember that. He may not be "rampant" by the definition that we know, but Forerunner AI is not infallable. Spark went against his creators programming in Halo CE by attempting to kill a reclaimer, the first one he'd seen in thousands of years. In Halo2 he was still nothing more than a glorified nut-job, no longer having a "purpose" due to the loss of his installation. We all no what happened in Halo3, when his "instanity resulted in the death of Johnson, another reclaimer that was going to ignite the ring and destroy the flood, only at the expense of the installation.

Spark was anything but stable, not to mention as others have said that there is written history of Forerunner AI being corrupted in the terminals. As far as what Spark said to MC (once again evidence of being unstable) he also made comment about MC's armor that alludes to their being simlar armor systems in times past, so it could just bea memory glitch. There are a myriad of assumptions to be made, time travel is the easiest because it requires no explanation and little creativity to sell.

  • 07.09.2009 11:05 AM PDT
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Forerunner constructs seem to have practicly become immune to rampacy. Just the fact they can function perfectly after 100,000 years is testament. The forerunner probably found ways to stop the A.I. programming from intertwining and falling apart. Only MB has evedince of going rampant and thats because he was screwed up real good by the gravemind. He even says that his capacity was his weeknes. Also all that data cortana retrievs from the first halo might hold the key to her survival (unless it was indeed a piece of MB inside of halo). O and sparky going mad in halo 3. Thats was probably because his ring was deystroeyed and he was just a bit shaked up from time.


How do you figure dude? Spark was mad from the get-go, and it is evident in the things he says both in Halo CE while playing The Library and in comments made in The Flood. Forerunner AI doesn't play by the same rules as UNSC AI, remember that. He may not be "rampant" by the definition that we know, but Forerunner AI is not infallable. Spark went against his creators programming in Halo CE by attempting to kill a reclaimer, the first one he'd seen in thousands of years. In Halo2 he was still nothing more than a glorified nut-job, no longer having a "purpose" due to the loss of his installation. We all no what happened in Halo3, when his "instanity resulted in the death of Johnson, another reclaimer that was going to ignite the ring and destroy the flood, only at the expense of the installation.

Spark was anything but stable, not to mention as others have said that there is written history of Forerunner AI being corrupted in the terminals. As far as what Spark said to MC (once again evidence of being unstable) he also made comment about MC's armor that alludes to their being simlar armor systems in times past, so it could just bea memory glitch. There are a myriad of assumptions to be made, time travel is the easiest because it requires no explanation and little creativity to sell.


Spark didnt go against protocol in Halo 1 by attempting to kill the chief. Just because hes a reclaimer and his "duty" is to activate the ring and he dosent want to dosent make it ok. Sparks purpose at this point, what protocol tells him to do is stop the chief and activate the rings before the flood spread beyond the instalation. It had to be done from sparks perspective. And he didn't want to blow up the ring for obvious reasons. In Halo 3 I believe he truly gone rampat all the way. He had done all he could to save his first ring, now his second was about to be blown up. Sparky believed they could wait untill the ring was completed and then fire it. High charity wasn't going anywhere. The flood didn't have posescion of another ship to get off the Arc. But they could have taken over the Elites ship.

And when hes talking about chiefs armor i dont see what your saying about it. The Forerunner did have power armor or "combat skins". The Chiefs Armor would be extremlly week compared to theres. The monitor rated his armor at one point in the game or book. He said it was a class 4 or something. And in the Terminals they talk about combat skins as high as 14 and in the twenties.

And yes dude whos name I forgot. I've always thought if the chief did go back into time (key word there "did") he could have gone to the forerunner time and even be the one who activated the rings for the first time. Which is why sparky would remember him. If he wasn't just rampant. Which I believe there is some truth to what he has said throught the games. Heck even the name given to him by the covenant (oracle) hints that Bungie has something plan for the future (or the past).

  • 07.10.2009 11:40 AM PDT