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UPDATE 2




THESE ARE PHEARMAKERS IDEAS NOT MINE






Halo 3 takes place 200 YEARS before marathon, When master chief's part of the ship slips into the marathon universe, It is still the same exact year he was just in. He floats in space for 200 years until you see the colonized mars appear, And then get eclipsed by the sun eclipsing luna in the background.


This is "NOT" A time travel Theory so do not Treat it as such!

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So don't say *Itz Onyx 7ota7lly!


NEW SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
FINALLY UPDATED

At the beginning of the legendary ending, Right where Cortana is awaking the chief from his little nap, You see a small object that looks just like the security com device that the security bots in marathon had.

It also shows in the halo 3 permutation.
Take a look - Picture proof.
Side view / back view of the security helmet permutation ( adds the communication box )
here
And now the beginning of the legendary cutscene... You can clearly see the Com box floating with the cheif
here


And if you have a counter-theory, Then please support yourself with any type of source available, Pictures, Interviews, Anything except of rumors, Or what is widely believed without proof.


As the frigate escaped through the portal, Cortana states that the portal collapsed just as they were going through.

Which means the other half that the arbiter was in, made it completely through.

It is my theory , That when the portal collapsed, It did so on the master chiefs side of the ship, Sending them into another universe. The arbiter is in the halo universe, In the same time, But chief + Cortana are in the marathon universe.
You can also see a resemblance between the planet in the cut scene, and the planet image "Infestation" That was involved in part of IRIS.
the image
This image was from server 2.

Look at the legendary cut scene, Look where the light originates from, Then look at that picture.
You are looking at an early mars, From the game marathon, With the sun eclipsing Luna, Which creates the big flash of light.

Do you want absolute proof that this is mars?
Look here then

These are the Exact same Thermal Imaging
here

Keep in mind these are from a Trusted German Telescope



Some people think that MB sent master chief back into time, This is NOT possible, Why? In the last cut scene, Lord hood says " Its hard to believe he's dead ".
If MC would have in fact been sent back in time by Mendicant Bias, I am fairly sure that Master chief would have stopped the flood earlier, Which would mean that lord hood and arbiter would not have even been involved in an alliance.



& Another thing, Cortana and Chief do not know that they are in an alternate universe, They think that somebody will find them. But think about this, Being since the arbiter escaped through the portal completely, He must be in the same exact place as the chief, BUT IN THE HALO UNIVERSE. WHICH IS WHY EVERYONE BELIEVES THE MASTER CHIEF IS DEAD. THEY BELIEVE THAT HIS SIDE OF THE SHIP WAS DESTROYED, BUT IN FACT IT IS IN THE MARATHON UNIVERSE.

This has renewed my faith in Bungie writers, Well played.

And to people that say this theory is'nt possible because of the different universe thing, in the game Marathon Infinity, the main character can travel between universes and dimensions.


1. Marathon takes place on a ship called marathon, but the ship is actually a hollowed out moon of Mars
^^^^^^^^^^^
I never put that in bold, wtf?
2. The Iris and the Mars photos are exact, meaning Bungie meant for Mars to be somewhere in the game, and look at the iris pictures, everything lines up with the legendary pictures.

Also more supporting evidence:
Posted by: cornage
Okay, To get this thread started, this is another one of those "Post your theories" threads, but I think this one goes deep. I wondered about IRIS and what it meant after Halo 3, so I watched the server videos, got most of the IRIS info. to be "as stocked up on my halo 3 ending skills" as possible... but I still didn't get it... I was stumped. I decided to go through the last server video one more time, because I thought it was the most revealing of them all. IT WAS. I was watching the last video, but slowing it down a couple of notches... I think I found some serious reference to the future of the series. Marathon is the answer. Now Don't leave, I know how many of you hate the idea of "The Marathon theory" and how bungie would never do that... but this info. seems to push it with bungie and their "marathon references" for fans. I Don't even like the idea that much, but this has me teetering on the fence about the future of the series:


As I was watching the last server video from the IRIS (ARG) and these are extremely fast frames, but I think that I caught a picture of a Phfor enforcer and a Compiler (Marathon 2). I'm serious, it changing my whole outlook on the future of the series, and I suggest you all review those videos of IRIS.


EDIT


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  • 07.08.2009 5:34 PM PDT
Subject: Where MC is Total Proof

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

To be fair if you looked at most properties that make nods towards one another you could draw several parralels to the different properties. In the genre of scifi, where you could pick and choose which rules to acknowledge, bend or break, you can tie anything together if you explain it out properly.

The issue I have with this theory is that even though inter-dimensional travel was part of later Marathon lore, it has not been touched on in the Halo universe. Does this render it impossible, by no means, but that doesn't make it likely either. Considering the way the novels are written and the general dislike or ideas like time-travel by Bungie's lead writers and the writer of the better novels, I doubt they would flirt with these ideas.

Personally, no matter how well explained, I feel this theory is reaching pretty far in the realm of possibility. Bungie has said since it's early days that Halo makes several nods to their older series. It should come as no surpise that there are things that seem similar or seem to "point to" other possibilities. But at the end of it all it could simply be an acknowledgement of a fond memory for both fans and the creators of the games.

  • 07.08.2009 5:46 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Smart A.I. don't live long. Cortana's lifespan is rumoured to be about 7 years. (Atleast that is what I remember from The Fall of Reach)

  • 07.08.2009 6:22 PM PDT

(;3=

yeah most smart AI do have a life of 7 years but i think cortana was made different if i read correctly. shes already became rampant and survived what else could happen
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Smart A.I. don't live long. Cortana's lifespan is rumoured to be about 7 years. (Atleast that is what I remember from The Fall of Reach)

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"And if you have a counter-theory, Then please support yourself with any type of source available, Pictures, Interviews, Anything except of rumors, Or what is widely believed without proof.
If you don't, You will be insulted. =]"

I was reading up to here then I stopped Bungie has already debunked the halo/marathon connection, why can't you just except that???

I no source for you, blow me.

  • 07.08.2009 6:27 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

OK THIS THREAD IS RETARDED. This is stupider than the time travel theroys and reach. Your a moron. it would mess up the story forever and scar my image of halo. GEY. nuff said.

  • 07.08.2009 6:32 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

O and why is the game called REACH then smarty? Your suggesting time travel is immposible but alternate universes which are two completly different games? RETARDED.

  • 07.08.2009 6:34 PM PDT
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Argumentum ad populum

Learn to hyperlink.

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  • 07.08.2009 6:36 PM PDT

Bungie has announced Marathon and Halo are separate stories/universes. Therefore your theory (sorry) doesn't hold.

Sorry if I kinda shot this down, but its the truth.

Things in Halo that are similar to Marathon things are just nods toward their other game, and/or laziness.

  • 07.08.2009 6:36 PM PDT
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Argumentum ad populum

Posted by: RvB Caboose 0
Bungie has announced Marathon and Halo are separate stories/universes. Therefore your theory (sorry) doesn't hold.
They aren't seperate Universes. Halo is a prequel trilogy to Marathon.

  • 07.08.2009 6:44 PM PDT

Posted by: napster851
Posted by: RvB Caboose 0
Bungie has announced Marathon and Halo are separate stories/universes. Therefore your theory (sorry) doesn't hold.
They aren't seperate Universes. Halo is a prequel trilogy to Marathon.


Nope. Where did you get that idea?
In no place does it say Halo=prequel to Marathon.

  • 07.08.2009 6:52 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

I'm not reading it all.
It's bogus, Marathon and Halo are two different stories. I can't say two different universes, because you say "SEE, HE WENT TO ANOTHER UNIVERSE!".
No logic in your decision.

Stop posting "Definitive proof" threads when half of it is just a huge-ass guess.

  • 07.08.2009 6:54 PM PDT

Posted by: napster851
Posted by: RvB Caboose 0
Bungie has announced Marathon and Halo are separate stories/universes. Therefore your theory (sorry) doesn't hold.
They aren't seperate Universes. Halo is a prequel trilogy to Marathon.


no he's correct. Bungie has stated that marathon and halo are different universes. And the stories contradict each other alot. For example the humans first alien contact is in the 2700's, 200 years after Harvest the first sightings of the Covenant by the UNSC.

  • 07.08.2009 6:56 PM PDT
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"I am A Retard NUFF SAID" yeah sure not even my theory if you read it maybe you would Understand....

  • 07.08.2009 7:09 PM PDT
Subject: "UPDATE" Where MC is Possibly...

I read your first post, but the fact still stands that Marathon /=/ Halo

Also about your topic title, you do not have definite proof. Definite proof would mean Bungie said it.

You have a theory, incorrect, but a theory nevertheless.

Edit: Thank you for changing the title.

[Edited on 07.08.2009 7:22 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2009 7:17 PM PDT
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I do not appreciate B.Net Group solicitation. If you ignore this and send me an invitation anyway, I will block communications with you.

I have to agree with SweetTRIX here. I actually extensively defended the credibility of the theory in its original thread when people were blindly attacking it, but its likelihood has never been all that abundant. When we were all under the impression that Master Chief's story was officially concluded (in that he would never appear in a new trilogy with a new story to pursue), I felt that this connection was an intended one as an subtle means for fans to interpret what they would from it, as we always have.

However, after Frank O'Connor confirmed at Emerald City that Master Chief's and Cortana's characters would return, as their stories were not done, this "cliffhanger" will obviously be concluded in some fashion, and I don't see them utilizing time travel or crossing universes, because it would very likely destroy the roots from which Halo seemed to have been born.

There is no "total proof" in this thread, and additionally, unless phearmaker asked you to move it here, you probably shouldn't have borrowed his theory.

EDIT: Glad to see you appropriated the thread title :)

[Edited on 07.08.2009 7:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2009 7:17 PM PDT
Subject: Where MC is Total Proof

Here we are again bro... Just you and me. Same kind of moon same kind of jungle. Real number 10 remember... Whole platoon, 32 men chopped into meat... We walk out just you and me, nobody else. Right on top huh? Not a scratch... Not a f**kin' scratch. You know who ever got you. They'll come back again. And when he does I'm gonna cut your name right into him... I'M GONNA CUT YOUR NAME RIGHT INTO HIM!

Master Chief is in a pickle.

  • 07.08.2009 7:19 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

Posted by: SPARTAN DELBOY
Master Chief is in a pickle.

Don't feed the trolls, but god one.

  • 07.08.2009 7:23 PM PDT
Subject: "UPDATE" Where MC is Possibly...

UEM Brig/leader of the 42nd drop pod group
ODST QUOTE:You know the music, time to dance!
ODST MOTO:Feet First Into Hell

halo 3 has nothing to do with reach,give it a rest

  • 07.08.2009 7:24 PM PDT
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Sol is a different color and there is no large nebulae visible from Mars.

There is no evidence in the OP, and all the evidence is against this almost incoherent, poorly written crap.

[Edited on 07.08.2009 7:27 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2009 7:25 PM PDT
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I do not appreciate B.Net Group solicitation. If you ignore this and send me an invitation anyway, I will block communications with you.

For people that seem confused, here is some clarification on what seems to be a big misconception about what opposing viewpoints and supporting viewpoints are saying in regard to the Bungie's official statement regarding the Marathon and Halo universes.

Opposition to the universal crossover theory are interpreting (and likely rightly so) that Halo and Marathon are separate universes in that they are unique, standalone stories that do not intertwine.

The supporting viewpoint of the crossover theory seems to take that statement in a scientific light, stating that, yes, they are unique, separate universes scientifically, and they can be traveled between within the overall story comprised of both franchises.

Most seem to understand these viewpoints but a lot of people don't seem to and quickly come to the conclusion that people are too stupid to understand a statement that some people are taking as two separate meanings.

  • 07.08.2009 7:25 PM PDT