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Subject: Should Bungie Bring Back Actual Black Armor

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Poll: Should Bungie Bring Back Actual Black Armor  [closed]
Yes:  88%
(84 Votes)
No:  12%
(11 Votes)
Total Votes: 95

In the origional Halo you could get actual black armor (see example) so my question is why cant we have that back in a game that takes place before that?

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  • 07.09.2009 11:12 AM PDT
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  • 07.09.2009 11:25 AM PDT

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  • 07.09.2009 11:59 AM PDT
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Yeah. Bungie should stop being so racist, lol.

But in all seriousness, I don't see why we can't have black armour. As you can see in that screenshot, it's very easy to spot, so hiding in it is not an issue. Active camo makes you near enough invisible to the enemy, so therefore that has to be taken out if that's the case. But instead of calling it black, can't they call it something fancy, like "Spec Ops"?

  • 07.09.2009 11:59 AM PDT
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“To say more would spoil be it’s overall its a game that needs to be played.” - Aristotle

The prevailing argument against black armor is that it, quite simply, cannot easily be seen when the wearer is in the shadows. I agree with that sentiment; unless more lights were added to the armor to make it easily visible even in darkness, no black armor.

  • 07.09.2009 12:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
The prevailing argument against black armor is that it, quite simply, cannot easily be seen when the wearer is in the shadows. I agree with that sentiment; unless more lights were added to the armor to make it easily visible even in darkness, no black armor.


Furthermore the human eye does not recognize the absence of color (black) as well as it recognizes color. Unless you are in an area of strong contrast, black is harder to recognize than any other color option available.

I think black looks slick, but it is unfiar in the grand scheme of things.

  • 07.09.2009 12:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Furthermore the human eye does not recognize the absence of color (black) as well as it recognizes color. Unless you are in an area of strong contrast, black is harder to recognize than any other color option available.

I think black looks slick, but it is unfiar in the grand scheme of things.

Exactly. I think it looks amazing, and I've used it every game that it was available, but it's unfair. I'd gladly give up an armor color in favor of more balanced gameplay.

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Lord Snakie
The prevailing argument against black armor is that it, quite simply, cannot easily be seen when the wearer is in the shadows. I agree with that sentiment; unless more lights were added to the armor to make it easily visible even in darkness, no black armor.


Furthermore the human eye does not recognize the absence of color (black) as well as it recognizes color. Unless you are in an area of strong contrast, black is harder to recognize than any other color option available.

I think black looks slick, but it is unfiar in the grand scheme of things.

But if that's the case, active camo might as well be taken out. That can be classed as an "unfair sight advantage". Besides, there are lights on the armour plus the visor can be seen from a mile away. And before you say something about the Elites, they have more lights on their armour than Spartans do.

  • 07.09.2009 12:11 PM PDT

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I still dunno why they ever even dropped it!

  • 07.09.2009 12:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
But if that's the case, active camo might as well be taken out. That can be classed as an "unfair sight advantage". Besides, there are lights on the armour plus the visor can be seen from a mile away. And before you say something about the Elites, they have more lights on their armour than Spartans do.

lolwut

Active Camo is a power-up for a reason; it is designed to "up" your power. Who would'a thunk it, right? Well, if it did, you know, nothing, it would kinda be a poor power up. Active Camo making a unit invisible is a benefit to the individual, it's not optional for the user to turn on at all times, and it increases the tactical value of matches.

Active Camo cannot be chosen. Active Camo IN NO WAY equals black armor. Reasoning fail.

  • 07.09.2009 12:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Lord Snakie
The prevailing argument against black armor is that it, quite simply, cannot easily be seen when the wearer is in the shadows. I agree with that sentiment; unless more lights were added to the armor to make it easily visible even in darkness, no black armor.


Furthermore the human eye does not recognize the absence of color (black) as well as it recognizes color. Unless you are in an area of strong contrast, black is harder to recognize than any other color option available.

I think black looks slick, but it is unfiar in the grand scheme of things.
But surely we could still have black for secondary and emblem colours right?

  • 07.09.2009 12:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: The BS Police
But surely we could still have black for secondary and emblem colours right?


This actually isn't a bad idea. It'd be cool to see them return as a secondary or emblem option, just not a primary color.

  • 07.09.2009 12:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Lord Snakie
The prevailing argument against black armor is that it, quite simply, cannot easily be seen when the wearer is in the shadows. I agree with that sentiment; unless more lights were added to the armor to make it easily visible even in darkness, no black armor.


Furthermore the human eye does not recognize the absence of color (black) as well as it recognizes color. Unless you are in an area of strong contrast, black is harder to recognize than any other color option available.

I think black looks slick, but it is unfiar in the grand scheme of things.

But if that's the case, active camo might as well be taken out. That can be classed as an "unfair sight advantage". Besides, there are lights on the armour plus the visor can be seen from a mile away. And before you say something about the Elites, they have more lights on their armour than Spartans do.


I didn't think that I would have to point something like this out, but active camo is not a model color, it isa temporary power up, very poor comparison. Argue it all you want, the human eye is designed to notice contrast and in most situation black blends more than any other color. Would this arguement hold in snow? Of course it wouldn't but that is not the norm, the norm is typically darker textures. Switch up the textures you say? Now the lighter colors are given the advantage. It's easier just to leave it out.

  • 07.09.2009 12:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: The BS Police
But surely we could still have black for secondary and emblem colours right?

That definitely sounds like a reasonable trade-off. Black emblem colors and black secondaries, but no black primary. I'm all-for it.

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: Honourable Elite
But if that's the case, active camo might as well be taken out. That can be classed as an "unfair sight advantage". Besides, there are lights on the armour plus the visor can be seen from a mile away. And before you say something about the Elites, they have more lights on their armour than Spartans do.

lolwut

Active Camo is a power-up for a reason; it is designed to "up" your power. Who would'a thunk it, right? Well, if it did, you know, nothing, it would kinda be a poor power up. Active Camo making a unit invisible is a benefit to the individual, it's not optional for the user to turn on at all times, and it increases the tactical value of matches.

Active Camo cannot be chosen. Active Camo IN NO WAY equals black armor. Reasoning fail.

*Yawns* I didn't say they were the same thing. Also, black armour CAN be seen, only a blind person wouldn't see something like that.

  • 07.09.2009 12:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
*Yawns* I didn't say they were the same thing.

No, but you compared them, which is practically just as bad.

Also, black armour CAN be seen, only a blind person wouldn't see something like that.
Tests by Bungie do not mirror your thinking.

  • 07.09.2009 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Posted by: Lord Snakie
The prevailing argument against black armor is that it, quite simply, cannot easily be seen when the wearer is in the shadows. I agree with that sentiment; unless more lights were added to the armor to make it easily visible even in darkness, no black armor.


Furthermore the human eye does not recognize the absence of color (black) as well as it recognizes color. Unless you are in an area of strong contrast, black is harder to recognize than any other color option available.

I think black looks slick, but it is unfiar in the grand scheme of things.
But surely we could still have black for secondary and emblem colours right?


No problem with that whatsoever, as a trim the argument would be null, and you could make some nice combos with the color contrasts.

  • 07.09.2009 12:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: Honourable Elite
*Yawns* I didn't say they were the same thing.

No, but you compared them, which is practically just as bad.

Also, black armour CAN be seen, only a blind person wouldn't see something like that.
Tests by Bungie do not mirror your thinking.

There are lights and visors. They can be seen in the dark. I didn't say the actual colour itself can be seen, however the features the armour has can be seen.

  • 07.09.2009 12:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Snakie
Posted by: Honourable Elite
*Yawns* I didn't say they were the same thing.

No, but you compared them, which is practically just as bad.

Also, black armour CAN be seen, only a blind person wouldn't see something like that.
Tests by Bungie do not mirror your thinking.

There are lights and visors. They can be seen in the dark. I didn't say the actual colour itself can be seen, however the features the armour has can be seen.


Once again friend, you miss the point. The eye won't pickup on it as fast as say red, yellow, orange, green, any color that is both lighter and in greater contrast to typical backrounds. It doesn't matter what the armor features do, if you don't notice the armor as easily, you miss a potential threat, and offer an advantage.

  • 07.09.2009 12:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Honourable Elite
There are lights and visors. They can be seen in the dark. I didn't say the actual colour itself can be seen, however the features the armour has can be seen.

Yes. And to that, I respond: so? Partial camo is partially effective, why is that? It's because the color of the armor is faded. Black is the absence of all color; would it not be partially effective, much like partial active camo? Just because you can see a few features doesn't mean you can see all of them, and it doesn't mean that your reaction times would be the same.

  • 07.09.2009 12:38 PM PDT

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No matter how great of an idea that is, it is unbalanced, which is why it was taken out from Halo.

  • 07.09.2009 12:39 PM PDT

Totaly bring it back.
When Halo CE came out I played campaign through then played multi player. I choose the black color for myself and loved it despite the fact I most often played in places were there was lots of bright colors. Then when Star Wars Battlefront came out I played that instead. Then when Halo 2 came out I played through campaign and never really played multi on that, just went back to SWB 2. Then latter came Halo 3, played campaign then multi and I went to customize my spartan, when it came time to choose colors and I was so confused that black wasn't there. Searching for a way to get the Black color I found it on Forge and Custom Games. that ment the other people were also black and I didn't like that much. Having it on the next game would be great because we can choose more than one color to go with it.

  • 07.09.2009 12:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: GameRaider
Totaly bring it back.
When Halo CE came out I played campaign through then played multi player. I choose the black color for myself and loved it despite the fact I most often played in places were there was lots of bright colors. Then when Star Wars Battlefront came out I played that instead. Then when Halo 2 came out I played through campaign and never really played multi on that, just went back to SWB 2. Then latter came Halo 3, played campaign then multi and I went to customize my spartan, when it came time to choose colors and I was so confused that black wasn't there. Searching for a way to get the Black color I found it on Forge and Custom Games. that ment the other people were also black and I didn't like that much. Having it on the next game would be great because we can choose more than one color to go with it.
I do not get your reasoning.

You didn't like it in customs because it would be forced, and other players would also be black. Guess what, if black returns, everyone will choose that colour, becaue it gives them an advantage. So literally, there would be no true customization, you would not be original.

Also, there is a freaking plethora of colours you can choose from in Halo 3. Dark grey is good enough, you don't need the unbalanced black.

  • 07.09.2009 12:52 PM PDT

I can see why people think it's a bad idea because if you ( in real life ) take a black object and put it in the shadows people don't see it that good.
But what about you take that same object and put it in the snow what about that. When I play on sandtrap if I can than I choose black, and I draw fire from almost everyone, but I don't care.

  • 07.09.2009 12:55 PM PDT

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I vote yes, Black is just a legit color, and maybe they should put some subtle blinking lights on the armor in order to bring balance back, or something to the effect of bringing balance while letting us keep this awesome color.

  • 07.09.2009 12:55 PM PDT

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