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Posted by: General Fox
Posted by: Andz Jones
But why then would Bungie remove the pistol because its TOO powerful and replace it with something better! more ammo capacity, more in the clip, burst when unzoomed etc.

Headshots in Single Player would be gd, but not MP as that just ruins the game IMO! yes it is skill, but its unfair on Noobs or people who arent that good with the pistol. yes it has its weaknesses but usually they dont outweigh its pros!


You obviously haven't ben reading what people said about it here that played the E3 Demo at the Fanfest... They said it's much weaker then the pistol was as well.

BTW, the pistol was over powered because it was good in practically every situations, had little to no serious negatives (like the AR being so inaccuracte, needler being too slow, ect.), was better then all the weapons in 50% to 75% of the situations you come across, and various other reasons.... It also wasn't realistic for a gun to have better accuracy then an AR when the pistol had no barrel, if anything... The AR's accuracy and pistols accuracy should have been switched..... the AR's accuracy be a little less though, since only sniper like rifles should have that type of accuracy (they have those enormous barrels for the sole intent for extreme accuracy)

i was agreeing with you. i said WHY would bungie do....

i hope the Pistol is downgraded it p!sses me off alot.

  • 07.20.2004 9:07 AM PDT
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the BR is the weaker version of a pistol. does no one still se this?

3 round bursts, 36 rounds. thats like pressing trigger 12 times! pistol had 12 rounds. the scoped shots are 1/3 the power now, but the gun gets a quicker reload and a better melee...a toned down version of the pistol. its gone-the pistol, that is.

and its got the long barrel, to be mroe realistic. and its way kickass looking. and you have more shields in halo2, so expect 12 shots to get a kill, at the least[headshots hinthint].

you dont have less life, though. if you had any less life the plasma pistol would be too powerful, but its balanced as it is, like bungie said.

done and done.

  • 07.20.2004 10:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: kazoo
the BR is the weaker version of a pistol. does no one still se this?

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and its got the long barrel, to be mroe realistic. and its way kickass looking. and you have more shields in halo2, so expect 12 shots to get a kill, at the least[headshots hinthint.


Ok, the BR does seem like a weaker version of the pistol/upgrade to the AR. It's very much a combination weapon. That's not to say for sure that the pistol will or won't be in Halo 2. Nobody knows for certain. The pistol may yet be included, yet toned down a little.

While zoomed, I think a 12-shot kill with the BR is just absurd. Do you honestly believe it would take that long when someone could mow you down with any other weapon in half the time? Sure, there's a faster rate of fire, but I'm guessing no more than 7-8 shots.

  • 07.20.2004 11:00 AM PDT
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I still don't get how the pistol is cheap. It can be outdone by someone else's skill with any weapon. But if any gun is cheap it would be the RL. It can be outdone but any moron can use one and it takes little skill. I'm sure headshots still count on HALO 2 though.

  • 07.20.2004 11:03 AM PDT
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ok, for the people that hate the pistol, go hide, pick up an oversheild/camo. I play without sheilds, so head shots are a major source of my kills, and my death, deal with it. If the battle rifle is so weak, just throw a frag at em first, even in regular SlayerPro a frag and AR make as good a combo as the pistol, it dominated a pistol within 20 feet if you dont run sraight at them (I think people who -blam!- about pistols just suck at halo).

But my suggestion is stop trying to out guess bungie, the bullet is slightly smaller for the battle rifle, so you could get an approximation for damage it would inflict, but we have no knowledge of how much the *new* Mark-VI armor can take. Hopefully they dont slow down the battle rifle too much, people would go just for the RL, and thats kinda boring.

4 head shots kill
6 to the body kill
1 shot with no sheilds drops (might want to find cover before you hear the beep from hell)

One more thing, what about the pistol that was in First Strike, the one that fired a slug as big as a spartans thumb? If we get that I'm going to shoot you all in the dome, laugh, wait for you to respawn and do it again. HAVE A NICE DAY.

[Edited on 7/20/2004 11:19:20 AM]

  • 07.20.2004 11:13 AM PDT
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The pistol is coming back but will be highly modified this has been confirmed by Bungie in a quote in a EGM article. And in the Bungie licensed novel First Strike there is descriptions of new guns like the slug thrower and battle rifle but also a magnum pistol and silenced SMGs. Also remember that the battle rifle is much less accurate than the old pistol and it's alot less powerful compared to the 50.cal HE round that the M6D fired.

[Edited on 7/20/2004 11:16:19 AM]

  • 07.20.2004 11:14 AM PDT
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Yeah, with Shadow warrior,My copy of first strike is on loan to a friend, but it gave a whole like one page, ok more like one paragraph or description on the new weapons wich is why i was so confused when someone said something about there being no pistol, aperently the handles form to the shape of your hand : ) COMFORT! and the whole thing on increased motion tracker thanks to a new gauntlet? or was that shields?

  • 07.20.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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i've been wondering since the battle rifle came out what the least amount of shots is to take someone down with a battle rifle. like with the pistol in h1 it was three, i wonder what it is with the br.

  • 07.20.2004 12:05 PM PDT

I believe that (as we all know) the pistol was overpowered in halo 1. Why would they give the battle rifle the same thing and make it just twice as cheap? Remember, 1 shot to the head with no shelds killed the enemy? That was cheap. Now imagune that with a faster rate of fire. Bull. Thats WAY too cheap, and bungie knows it. I think headshots should do more damage when they have no shield, but i dont think it should kill the enemy in 1 shot.

  • 07.20.2004 12:09 PM PDT

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To kazoo

its 40 shots a clip so nah :P!

2ndly i so want the BR to be good and i want thenew Pistol to be like the Shotgun, closer = more damage!

  • 07.20.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Deidg Nactal
I believe that (as we all know) the pistol was overpowered in halo 1. Why would they give the battle rifle the same thing and make it just twice as cheap? Remember, 1 shot to the head with no shelds killed the enemy? That was cheap. Now imagune that with a faster rate of fire. Bull. Thats WAY too cheap, and bungie knows it. I think headshots should do more damage when they have no shield, but i dont think it should kill the enemy in 1 shot.


The pistol is certainly not cheap. I believe Bungie designed it with the power that it has for a reason: it takes skill to use. You have to aim to use this gun, unlike the rocket launcher, shotgun, AR, etc. If you complain about the pistol being too powerful, you probably can't aim very well which also means you're not very good. Please, stop complaining. I hope the pistol is included in Halo 2 and if it's not, there had better be a good explanation in the storyline for it's exclusion. And making it less powerful? That makes no sense considering the information contained in First Strike. All you pistol haters, get ready to get your asses kicked when Halo 2 hits shelves November 9th.

  • 07.20.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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A head shot should kill in one shot no matter what the gun. Apparently the shields are stronger but once they go down you dont have much time. If I aim and hit someone in the hit with a round of plasma or a armored piercing bullet after I knock their shields out then they should die. It only makes sense and in the books if a spartan took a hit in the head they wouldn't survive MJONIR or not. To balance it out make the shields stronger and recharge quicker.

[Edited on 7/20/2004 12:58:58 PM]

  • 07.20.2004 12:58 PM PDT

Posted by: newguy111
Posted by: Deidg Nactal
I believe that (as we all know) the pistol was overpowered in halo 1. Why would they give the battle rifle the same thing and make it just twice as cheap? Remember, 1 shot to the head with no shelds killed the enemy? That was cheap. Now imagune that with a faster rate of fire. Bull. Thats WAY too cheap, and bungie knows it. I think headshots should do more damage when they have no shield, but i dont think it should kill the enemy in 1 shot.


The pistol is certainly not cheap. I believe Bungie designed it with the power that it has for a reason: it takes skill to use. You have to aim to use this gun, unlike the rocket launcher, shotgun, AR, etc. If you complain about the pistol being too powerful, you probably can't aim very well which also means you're not very good. Please, stop complaining. I hope the pistol is included in Halo 2 and if it's not, there had better be a good explanation in the storyline for it's exclusion. And making it less powerful? That makes no sense considering the information contained in First Strike. All you pistol haters, get ready to get your asses kicked when Halo 2 hits shelves November 9th.



i find that statement more offensive then true. I use the pistol as my main weapon as well. Its too good.

  • 07.21.2004 1:19 AM PDT
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Im glad we got those guys in the MLG asking for the pistol back, we might just keep it...

  • 07.21.2004 1:22 AM PDT
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The Battle Rifle will basically be a combo gun, with both pistol zoom and assault rifle capabilities. I figure Bungie will have this gun do less damage to shields but do the same when there is no shield. In other words it will take around 4 shots to get down shield and 1 to the head. For anyone who thought the pistol was cheap then you're wrong, it required more skill than any other gun in the game (besides the sniper) and it could be taken down by any other weapon. People just began with the gun and used it all the time, instead of other weapons because they began with it, this doesn't mean it's the best.. it means ppl didn't take time to work with other weapons. Give me a shotgun, a sniper, a plasma rifle, a RL.. I promise you I won't have a problem taking down my pistol wielding enemy. So yeah, quite whining about it, if you don't like it don't play Halo. And yes the Battle rifle will more than likely be a lot like the pistol in it's zoom phase, it's just obvious.

Yes the Battle Rifle will be nice but I have a feeling Halo 2 WILL have the pistol it will just do less damage to shields like other human weapons. The reason for this is in the books the pistol doesn't just disappear and also the top players in MLG are telling Bungie to leave it in. If no pistol there is a good chance these players will continue to play Halo:CE and it will still be the main tournamen game, not Halo 2... and trust me, this is NOT what Bungie wants so they will do what pleases the players, and the players they should wanna please is the real addicts and these tournament guys who have became what other Halo players wanna be. So there will be a pistol I bet, and it will take more shots to kill but know what? That still means all you pistol hating noobs will be PWNED.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 2:03:49 AM]

  • 07.21.2004 2:00 AM PDT

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yeah that statement was more offense than true. i use the pistol, alot, but considering you start with it <if you set starting equipment generic> and it has lots of ammo, the gun is cheap. Its not like the sniper rifle were every shot counts as ammos low and it doesnt respawn quickly, or the rocket launcher were you cant waste shots on people when theres tanks! trouble is, when people are close the still wont switch to the assault rifle, they'll strafe each other with the pistol! it is a cheap weapon! i DO use it before people go "all non-pistol userrs f**k off"" but it is rediculously cheap! I'm hoping the BR is about 5 head shots with shields <3 take of shields, 2 head to kill> or around 9-10 zoomed in the chest. In SP then the headshot thing should stay as it was easy killing Elites with the PP and the normal P, but MP its too cheap!

  • 07.21.2004 2:03 AM PDT
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You contradicted yourself with every single statement you made. When I am close range I switch to my AR or Shotgun, because they work better at close range and anyg ood player does the same. The sniper rifle on average is a 30 second respawn, it's 2 minutes on Blood Gulch which doesn't matter anyways cause it's rarely a tournament game. The comment about the RL and tanks.. if you're playing vehicle games then you shouldn't even have the right to comment on the pistol. The rocket launcher can kill up to 12 ppl with it's 4 shots, and it can do it quickly... you realize the pistol can't do that right? The sniper rifle in the hands of a good sniper can kill countless numbers, and the plasma rifle can easily dance around a pistol, freeze em, strafe to em, wack em.. the pistol has no response to it. I'd also love to see you kill me with a pistol and me running at you with a shotgun, you'd die before you got off your second shot. It's cheap to you cause you don't know how to counter it, get some skill.... then report back with us.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 2:11:08 AM]

  • 07.21.2004 2:09 AM PDT
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Its funny, Every forum regular, realises the pistol is too strong. Everyone else, thinks it the weapon, that is generally not good, but due to thier skill, becomes a SUPER WEAPON!!!

Everyone is good at a pistol, and good luck killing anyone using a pistol at medium range with any other weapon!

Just because everyone uses the pistol as thier primary weapon, (when it should clearly being a secondary) doesnt mean its not overpowered, obviously, its quite the opposite... it shouldnt be that strong. Pistols dont take much skill to use, just put the dot on the opponents body/head, and hit the trigger!

IMMEDIATELY you have dont alot of damage, when if you had an AR, you would have to shoot it in bust fire, and allow to take cover when you have to reload, because it takes alot more skill to use!

Anyway, seeing as you only take 2 - 3 shots in the chest before you die in the current build of the game when shields have been dropped, any gun with a headshot may as well finish the opponent off !

  • 07.21.2004 2:15 AM PDT
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Thank you shadedhalo.

  • 07.21.2004 2:20 AM PDT
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As usual someone makes their arguments and as usual I will retaliate with a much better response. :) The pistol is MEANT for medium range, just like the sniper is a longe range weapon, the shotgun and AR a close range. Your comment about lets see you beat someone with a pistol at medium range is just like saying lets see you beat someone with a sniper rifle against a shotgun at close range, it can be done but it's tricky. Or saying lets see you use a plasma rifle and take out a sniper from long range. These weapons are meants for the spots they are used. Bungie designed the AR and Shotgun as primary close range weapons, with the plasma rifle being third, and the pistol a fourth. The pistol is the best mid range weapon, tying itself with the RL which is more deadly, and the plasma rifle and needler coming in behind it. The plasma pistol and AR also can be used at medium range if you know how. Now lets look at long range shall we? Ok we have the Sniper and... well.. JUST the pistol, there had to be another weapon designed for long range to counter the sniper and I just don't see the Shotgun fitting into that. Answer me this... why is the pistol supposed to be secondary? Who came up with that conclusion? You? Because it is on other games does NOT mean it has to be on Halo, obviously Halo is a unique game and its weapons should be unique as well. My friend I will be happy to play you on XBC and not use my pistol once and show you that you don't have to have the pistol to own... it's just a good weapon and overused because you spawn with it. If it spawned you with a sniper rifle or a plasma rifle I believe ppl would have mastered those first off as well. Thanks...

  • 07.21.2004 2:27 AM PDT

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I agree with your retaliation, but let me make my point clear. i didnt mean point blank, any clever person would switch to shotgun. i meant say 30ft away, when an AR should kick a pistols arse. If you read my other posts in this topic, i use the pistol alot, but im no pro, and im not so full of myself, because on X-Live we'll see who the pros are. Then we'll see whos just plain arrogant. I dont like it because its unrealistic the best weapon is the one that in real life wouldn't be. The pistol is a SIDE-ARM, not supposed to be your main weapon AND i know it can be countered with other weapons and i know that they have their pros and cons, but the pistols pros outweight its cons more than any other weapon!

P.S. dont no what tournies you go to, but Blood Gulch is much more common than side winder! SW, indoors if you stick the ghost in and the worthog, you wont get the flag out, and the time you do go through the teleporter, its then almost hard to get it back (as we do single flag so everyones defending!). Blood Gulch is much easier for 6 on 6 <what i do> compared to Sidewinder, and every tournament ive been to <ok only 4> you only did one game on SW!

  • 07.21.2004 2:53 AM PDT
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Ok number one, Sidewinder? Who the HELL is talking about Sidewinder? lol.. I never play Sidewinder, rarely play BG because I hate vehicle maps cause vehicles require little skill. In fact I hate Sidewinder, and BG is third on my list of hates behind SW and Chiron. I don't go to 6v6 tournaments, If anything it's 4v4 or 2v2 on real maps, such as Hang em', Chill Out, Prisoner, Damnation, so forth.. but not Sidewinder or BG. CTF is much funner when it involves a long run back with your teammate guarding your back than it would be jumping in a ghost and hauling ass. I mostly play TS tho.

Ok onto your side arm comment, what about Halo is realistic? It involves aliens, what Bungie wants a weapon to do, it does.. who's to say in the future pistols don't have better range than AR's? Besides it makes sense to me than a pistol has better range than an AR. Your comment about the pistol outweighing its pros more than its cons, of course it does... you have to have a weapon to fill the voids, because the pistol fills those voids doesn't mean it's overpowered, it doesn't mean it's the best in the game, it just means, like every other weapon, it has its best situations. If the pistol didn't exist you do realize Halo would have very little midrange battles, at least ones that didn't last 2 minutes a piece. Bungie put the pistol in in order to feel these voids and quite frankly who gives a rat's ass about what it's 'supposed' to be, why does a great game have to fit into stereotypes?

I'm not arrogant either I just know my weapons and I know there is easy counters to every weapon, wether it be the pistol, the RL, the Sniper.. whatever.. and you know why there is counters? Because Bungie put weapons in that would counter each other, without the pistol there would be a big void and Halo would not have been near as successful. So before all of you who get pwned by the pistol flame it, think about Halo without it and if you'd really love it as much.

In conclusion your comments about Sidewinder, Bud I play maps that require skill, not the ability to run over people. I don't play SW nor BG and where you got that from I have no idea but you simply made yourself look like an idiot. 6v6 is also the most uncommon tournament I've heard of, no major tournaments play that crap, the most they do is 4v4. There is tournaments based on large driving maps and all CTF games I spose but they are looked on as 'noob tourneys' and aren't the skilled tournaments I was speaking of. The ones that require team strategy and being better at Halo than your opponent to win, not being faster to grab something and drive back with it.


PS:

I know you may all find this very very hard to believe, BUT.. there is more maps on Halo than Sidewinder and Blood Gulch! *gasp*

[Edited on 7/21/2004 3:26:21 AM]

  • 07.21.2004 3:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: DeusEx
(I think people who -blam!- about pistols just suck at halo)


We just -blam!- because we have common sense.... =P

I've slaughtered an entire team with the pistol, and it felt like a joke to do so too... I felt that whatever skill I had at the time was turning into a typically "OMG I'm good, I just killed a guy that has been in three battles and had nearly no health" -blam!- that the annoying people who think they're good say...

The biggest thing I notice in games is that 90% of the time it's pistol wars, and that's one big reason I see that it's overpowered... If it were more balanced people would use all weapons equally...

and, if I recall... like 1 to 2 years ago bungie even stated that it was overpowered... I believe right there that that screws over whatever arguement you can make....

[Edited on 7/21/2004 6:56:28 AM]

  • 07.21.2004 6:46 AM PDT
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BR=cool

  • 07.21.2004 6:52 AM PDT

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The pistols not unbalanced, just overused. Its really the only practical weapon for medium range fights so obviously its going to be used a lot. I hope there will be otehr weapons like the battle rifle and carbine as an alternative.

  • 07.21.2004 6:55 AM PDT