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Listen the pistol is way over-power!

The psitol can kill someone in 4 seconds. Okay, you say well the rocket laucher can kill in less then 4 seconds, same with sinper rilfe, and shotgun.

Well the pistol has 12 rounds in a clip, has a fast reload time, fast melee time, fast fire rate, dead accuracy, Large power, 2x zoom, long range, and takes no screen away. Now tell me a gun that does all this? Theres are no more. Not only that, you start off with a gun. Damn! Now thats a very over power gun!


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  • 07.21.2004 6:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: ash55
The pistols not unbalanced, just overused. Its really the only practical weapon for medium range fights so obviously its going to be used a lot. I hope there will be otehr weapons like the battle rifle and carbine as an alternative.


Yes, but the pistol has no real negatives to it..... Like the RL has long reload times, the sniper rifle has 4 rounds and streaks in the air making your easy to find, the AR has horrible accuracy while the needlers needles move to slowly....

Pistol Stats
+ Scope
+ Three shot kills (Relatively easy too)
+ Reasonable rate of fire
+ 12 bullets per clip, enough to kill 4 people
+ Reasonable melee
+ Fast Reloadings
+ large ammount of Extra ammo
+ Harder to find when Pistol Sniping
+ Almost Sniper Rifle Accuracy, exp. for a gun that should be dead inaccurate since it has no barrel

There really is no negatives about the gun at all, it may not be the best in every class, but no other gun gets as many possitives as the pistol does.

Also note what I said at the end of my last post in this topic...

[Edited on 7/21/2004 7:04:09 AM]

  • 07.21.2004 7:02 AM PDT
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That is true, ash55. The pistol is not a weapon of skill, it is an easy weapon for beginners to practice with. I only use it as a last resort. Now if you can kill a lot of people with the AR while actively engaged, that is skill. If you can kill a lot of people with a plasma pistol, that is skill. Even plasma grenades, if you can easily stick it on someone, then you are good.

But other weapons, just requires stupidity on the part of the enemy. I mean, seriously, how easy is it to kill your enemy on Danger canyon with a needler, when they are crossing the bridges or in those tunnels? They can't move side to side. And a shotgun? Think Rat race. You know what I'm talking about. So next game, give the pistol a rest and try your hand at, if not the AR, the very least a plasma rifle. Practice it, something tells me dual plasma rifles will be muy popular in Halo 2 MP.

You know, just saying.

  • 07.21.2004 7:04 AM PDT
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BTW, I'm not against keeping the pistol like it is for Halo 2. I think the people who complain are making a mountain out of a molehill. If you don't like noo ... ahem ... beginners using weapons like the RL, FRG and the pistol, you should be able to take them down. After all, it's a foregone conclusion that you skill is greater than theirs if you call them (ah f*** it) noobs.

Don't complain so much. Seriously, folks.

  • 07.21.2004 7:08 AM PDT
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It's not that hard to kill people without the Pistol yes, the weapon I use depends on what level I play on. I believe I had more trouble with team killers then the enemy .-.

and when it comes to Playing Campaine, I always use my AR/Plasma Pistol or AR/Sniper Rifle Combo.... =P

[Edited on 7/21/2004 7:19:11 AM]

  • 07.21.2004 7:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: DRWIlL
Listen the pistol is way over-power!

The psitol can kill someone in 4 seconds. Okay, you say well the rocket laucher can kill in less then 4 seconds, same with sinper rilfe, and shotgun.

Well the pistol has 12 rounds in a clip, has a fast reload time, fast melee time, fast fire rate, dead accuracy, Large power, 2x zoom, long range, and takes no screen away. Now tell me a gun that does all this? Theres are no more. Not only that, you start off with a gun. Damn! Now thats a very over power gun!


yes but u have to take into acount the ammo requirements what i mean it take three headshots to kill someone, there are 12 rounds in the clip. If you dont miss the max you can take out without reloading is 4 people like the sniper rifle. Plus it is realistic, imean if you aim at someones head with a pistol and shoot him itl kill him. The same isn't true with a assault rifle because the ammo it uses are very tiny. Modern ar bullets are around 5.56 mm. One of those plastic bb's are 6 mm. In comparason a pistol bullet is huge so the 1 shot when shields are down is just realism. And so is the 2 shot shield drain, i mean if you hit some one in the back you drain their shields and kill him. a pistol bullet hits with much more force than even a spartans punch. If i recall two punches drains a players shield so it only makes sense that a pistol round would do so to

[Edited on 7/21/2004 7:35:13 AM]

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Posted by: Agamemnon
Posted by: DRWIlL
Listen the pistol is way over-power!

The psitol can kill someone in 4 seconds. Okay, you say well the rocket laucher can kill in less then 4 seconds, same with sinper rilfe, and shotgun.

Well the pistol has 12 rounds in a clip, has a fast reload time, fast melee time, fast fire rate, dead accuracy, Large power, 2x zoom, long range, and takes no screen away. Now tell me a gun that does all this? Theres are no more. Not only that, you start off with a gun. Damn! Now thats a very over power gun!


yes but u have to take into acount the ammo requirements what i mean it take three headshots to kill someone, there are 12 rounds in the clip. If you dont miss the max you can take out without reloading is 4 people like the sniper rifle. Plus it is realistic, imean if you aim at someones head with a pistol and shoot him itl kill him. The same isn't true with a assault rifle because the ammo it uses are very tiny. Modern ar bullets are around 5.56 mm. One of those plastic bb's are 6 mm. In comparason a pistol bullet is huge so the 1 shot when shields are down is just realism. And so is the 2 shot shield drain, i mean if you hit some one in the back you drain their shields and kill him. a pistol bullet hits with much more force than even a spartans punch. If i recall two punches drains a players shield so it only makes sense that a pistol round would do so to


What about the fact that the Pistol has ammazing accuracy for a gun with a tiny barrel, sniper rifles have large barrels for the sole purpose of being exceptionally accurate....

So, the pistol shouldn't be accurate in the least...

  • 07.21.2004 7:44 AM PDT
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It isn't that the pistol is extreemly accurate it is that compared to everything else it is.

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IT's only a small percentage less accurate then the sniper rifle, which is dead on accuracy....

If anything, with the barrel they gave the pistol, it should have around the accuracy the AR does....

  • 07.21.2004 8:12 AM PDT

"Help Help I'm being repressed! Come and see the Violence inherent in the system!"
"Bloody peasant!"
"Oh did you see that? you saw him repress me?"

To ShadedHalo:
a) I know theres more to Halo than BG and SW, i play Hang em High, Derelict and Chillout as well.
b) Soz bout the SW thing, i presumed that if you dont like BG, you like SW, you're the only person i've met who doesn't like the vehicles in the game.
c) The headshot with the pistol, although i USE IT and am QUITE SKILLED with it, i do think that it is highly unfair and could ruin X-Live as any pro, with PP and P would just rule and not give anyone a chance. It'l put them off if they keep dying to some idiot/highly skilled person/some one with too much spare time <delete as appr> and will ruin they're experiences.
d) wheather you like it or not, Bungie confirmed they are either removing the pistol and replacing it with a new one, which is powered down OR making the current pistol less powerful. Meaning you must rely more on other weapons, which is more realistic

oh btw, just because there's aliens you can't presume that the games unrealistic, it still has some realism to it, if the MC could surive a nuke that'd be sad!

  • 07.21.2004 8:36 AM PDT
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Quote:If anything, with the barrel they gave the pistol, it should have around the accuracy the AR does....


In a sense it does the AR is inaccurate because of its fire rate and ammo type. The pistol ammo is just more accurate because it is more powerful. Like paintball if you use low preassure the ball will be innacurate but if you use high preassure it wont be

  • 07.21.2004 8:53 AM PDT

The pistol's power is just -blam!- stupid. The ability to kill someone from any range in 3 quick shots is -blam!- dumb. Also, 3 shots is only 1/4 of the clip. These shots are accurate, fast, and hard to trace because they leave no trace of where they come from.

The battle rifle has many more rounds per clip, and can fire even faster then the pistol, and is just as accurate (you can tell by looking at the size of the redicle). Why would they make the Battle Rifle that power?

  • 07.21.2004 10:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: General Fox
Posted by: ash55
The pistols not unbalanced, just overused. Its really the only practical weapon for medium range fights so obviously its going to be used a lot. I hope there will be otehr weapons like the battle rifle and carbine as an alternative.


Yes, but the pistol has no real negatives to it..... Like the RL has long reload times, the sniper rifle has 4 rounds and streaks in the air making your easy to find, the AR has horrible accuracy while the needlers needles move to slowly....

Pistol Stats
+ Scope
+ Three shot kills (Relatively easy too)
+ Reasonable rate of fire
+ 12 bullets per clip, enough to kill 4 people
+ Reasonable melee
+ Fast Reloadings
+ large ammount of Extra ammo
+ Harder to find when Pistol Sniping
+ Almost Sniper Rifle Accuracy, exp. for a gun that should be dead inaccurate since it has no barrel

There really is no negatives about the gun at all, it may not be the best in every class, but no other gun gets as many possitives as the pistol does.

Also note what I said at the end of my last post in this topic...


Did I not just say that?

Pistol is over-banlace, over-use, unrealist. Bungie knows, thats why it's a "rilfe".(< BR )
I would take the BR over the pistol any day.
End of story.

  • 07.21.2004 11:24 AM PDT
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End of story your a bit arrogant aren't you? The pistol wasn't overpowered it was the lack of another midranged weapon that could match up to it becasue all the other guns were more suited for close quarters like the AR. The pistol also wasn't overpowered only the skilled could use it effectively while others would complain about it trust me if it's not one problem about balance. Noobs will use anything to justify them losing either the map is cheap or the gun is cheap it doesn't matter there will ALWAYS be something that can be used as a excuse. The pistol is coming back as a magnum and the MA5B is coming back as the new battle rifle and rest assured bungie will make it more balanced than in Halo 1 which IMO is the most well balanced FPS ever.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 2:56:58 PM]

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Posted by: Apdude
WTF. u cant get a head shot with the AR in Halo. U guys dont know anything. But yes i think the improved AR will be able to make a head shot in Halo 2


What???!!!! What are talkin you about you can get a head shot with ANY gun. Just because the weapon doesnt kill him in one shot doesnt mean its not a headshot.

  • 07.21.2004 3:01 PM PDT
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[color=lime]Anyone that says pistol is for beginners really doesnt have much skill themselves. That isnt so with sniper. So in that respect, it is not all that accurate. Plus if you hold down the trigger your shots are alot more off then if you tap it.

Sorry, but its the truth. You have to aim a little higher when shooting pistol if your enemy is too far for crosshair to turn red. That takes skill. It also takes skill to headshot someone who knows how to strafe. you know its true.

I use pistol almost all the time, but when Im in close like chill out, its all about plasma rifle/shotgun. Even AR works well...well, it works...[/color]

[Edited on 7/21/2004 3:19:40 PM]

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To the guy who wants headshot kills in SP but not MP, man thats just lame.... you want a nice easy ride in Campaign mode, yet if it happens to you in MP its "cheap"! Grow yourself a pair man!
Also the pistol was the only effective gun against snipers, however with the BR and Covie Carbine we now have two guns that can be used at medium to long ranges which means the Halo:CE style pistol is no longer needed! So I say create a new pistol which has no zoom and is a little less accurate but has the same power and there is your magnum from the books!
Anyway to answer the actual post topic (as some of you may have noticed this about the pistol); a headshot from the BR should be fatal, but it should take more shots to remove the shields of your enemy!

  • 07.21.2004 3:32 PM PDT
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The pistol is overpowered end of story, and think how it would be with two pistols that would ruin the game.

  • 07.21.2004 3:45 PM PDT
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I am tired of all the people who say "The people who complain about the pistol are noobs." If you havent seen any of them play how would you know? I hate the pistol...Its simple to use The cross hair is massive and to aim the head is the so easy its not even funny. The people who think the pistol takes skills are right in only 1 way its a little harder to aim at long range. But you can still drop people like flies. I can use the pistol in any sorta of combat I kill people who have the shotty at extremly close range (not point blank) you can fire the pistol 3 times before you can fire the shotgun 2 to put someone down. The RL isnt cheap. Most people dont aim at the feet they aim at you and you can strafe...EVEN if you are strafing I will still shoot you 3 times in the head. The pistol has almost no barrel if any it should not be able to hit people 50 feet away. I know how to use the pistol its simple I am not a noob at the game either. I just hate it when people use the pistol over the shotgun at close range. Smart people dont always use the pistol. But there are a grand total of maybe 200 smart people who play the game. Its a stupid piss ant of a gun.

Everygun in Halo has a drawback.
Rocket Launcher-Takes time to get there and long reloads.
Sniper Rifle-Has 4 shots.
Assault Rifle-Inaccurate at anything over more than 50 feet.
Shotgun-Only good at short range.
Plasma Pistol-Easy to dodge its charged shot.
Plasma Rifle-Easy to overcharge if not paying attetion.
Needler-Slow needles.

Pistol- ...Nothing?
The pistol is good at every range and is over powered.

Also nothing can counter it...Except for the Sniper Rifle at long range.
Or if your are *Point Blank* with the shotgun.

Take out the scope..Reduce its accuracy..Then it wont be an uber weapon.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 3:51:06 PM]

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Rift I don't know who you play with but none of the crap you said would work against me or anyone I play with. Most people don't aim at the feet? Everyone I've played with aims at the feet. The shotgun is a one shot kill, not 2. The pistol isn't overpowered, you just begin with it so of course you use it. It's called being shot when you spawn, you will shoot back whatever you have... it's common sense. It's not too powerful and YES I will call ppl noobs who complain about the pistol cause I've played enough on XBC and heard enough noobs say 'well if it wasn't for that pistol you wouldn't have beat me so bad' but then a pro comes in and owns you with the pistol, you have to understand.. it's all about practice and skill. YES it requires skill, if it doesn't then you play crap competetion that doesn't strafe. I can easily strafe through the pistol shots of even the best shot, so if you don't like it it's cause you can't use it and can't avoid it, so shut up about it. And yeah it will probably be in Halo 2 but weakened in it won't have a scope but have near the same power, so.. GET OVER IT.

  • 07.21.2004 4:01 PM PDT

I use the pistol as my main weapn, and its cheap. I hate it, it takes away from the joy of the game

  • 07.21.2004 8:07 PM PDT
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i dont think there is a health bar. it really doesnt make sense

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Health bars make sense, since most players I know don't aim for the heart, the health bars probably represent how long it takes to bleed to death (or something along those lines). As for headshots, the head is always the prime target with zoom weapons, so I think players will be frequently using them.

  • 07.21.2004 8:13 PM PDT
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Practice it, something tells me dual plasma rifles will be muy popular in Halo 2 MP

hell yeah...dual Plasma Rifles is almost too good to be tru...you understand, but a lot of people havnt gotten good with the weapon.

and the AR is better with a higher rate of fire as the SMG...another badass thang.

YES it requires skill, if it doesn't then you play crap competetion that doesn't strafe. I can easily strafe through the pistol shots of even the best shot, so if you don't like it it's cause you can't use it and can't avoid it, so shut up about it. And yeah it will probably be in Halo 2 but weakened in it won't have a scope but have near the same power, so.. GET OVER IT

uh oh. a skilled halo player. one of the best. he can strafe! hes got to be better than like 10 of everyone else on the forums combined!

heres SKILL. Try taking a shot gun blast just out of range so you arnt dead, run in with your AR blazing, and when you are near croutch to avoid the enemy melee attack and death, then melee them, but do a doule melee attack to toss a nade at the oncoming enemys friend, and blast the crap out of him for a double kill, at least...

or you can call skill as "i ran left to right while moving forward, shooting at a guy with a three hit kill weapon that requires one head shot"

case settled. pistol sux. oh, and its gone in Halo2--replaced by the battlerifle.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 8:23:26 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Agamemnon
Quote:If anything, with the barrel they gave the pistol, it should have around the accuracy the AR does....


In a sense it does the AR is inaccurate because of its fire rate and ammo type. The pistol ammo is just more accurate because it is more powerful. Like paintball if you use low preassure the ball will be innacurate but if you use high preassure it wont be


Why would more power make a gun more accurate? That doesn't make sense...

  • 07.21.2004 8:17 PM PDT