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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
End of story your a bit arrogant aren't you? The pistol wasn't overpowered it was the lack of another midranged weapon that could match up to it becasue all the other guns were more suited for close quarters like the AR. The pistol also wasn't overpowered only the skilled could use it effectively while others would complain about it trust me if it's not one problem about balance. Noobs will use anything to justify them losing either the map is cheap or the gun is cheap it doesn't matter there will ALWAYS be something that can be used as a excuse. The pistol is coming back as a magnum and the MA5B is coming back as the new battle rifle and rest assured bungie will make it more balanced than in Halo 1 which IMO is the most well balanced FPS ever.


The only time I've ever lost in a pistol war was when I get killed the second after I spawn.... I found that the pistol was a joke to use. It required little to no skill to use that weapon effectively... I feel simular feelings to the sniper rifle (just not as bad), exp. when I grew up on an FPS where sniping was a pain in the ass to learn, but just as effective as it is in every other game, if you learn it correctly that is...

The most well balanced FPS ever IMO is QWTF, the only class that was underpowered was the Pyro.... Everyother class was perfect... and no one ever complained about any of the classes either...

EDIT: Also, don't spread uncomfirmed rumors around.... I don't recall hearing anything comfirmed about any pistols being in the game (except the Plasma Pistol of course). Only rumors and such, nothing official.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 8:31:04 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 8:22 PM PDT
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The pistol can easily be overmatched by a elite with a Plasma Rifle. Infact that's one of the few guns that you could become elite with besides the pistol let me explain. What's the difference between a middle of the road player and a elite with a shotgun there isn't much different but you give the same players a pistol and the elite will clobber the intermidiate gamer. The pistol was a gun that once you practice you can own with it but the problem is that other guns you could only get so good whereas the pistol had the highest celling when it came to use and effectivness. And if you consider a mention of it in the bungie licensed novel a rumour then I guess it's a rumour but if bungie put's it in it's novels and uses it in analogies about dual wielding combos I dont.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 8:36:20 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 8:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: shadedhalo
Rift I don't know who you play with but none of the crap you said would work against me or anyone I play with. Most people don't aim at the feet? Everyone I've played with aims at the feet. The shotgun is a one shot kill, not 2. The pistol isn't overpowered, you just begin with it so of course you use it. It's called being shot when you spawn, you will shoot back whatever you have... it's common sense. It's not too powerful and YES I will call ppl noobs who complain about the pistol cause I've played enough on XBC and heard enough noobs say 'well if it wasn't for that pistol you wouldn't have beat me so bad' but then a pro comes in and owns you with the pistol, you have to understand.. it's all about practice and skill. YES it requires skill, if it doesn't then you play crap competetion that doesn't strafe. I can easily strafe through the pistol shots of even the best shot, so if you don't like it it's cause you can't use it and can't avoid it, so shut up about it. And yeah it will probably be in Halo 2 but weakened in it won't have a scope but have near the same power, so.. GET OVER IT.


Why are you such an ass?

Also, why can't you see that the pistol is unbalanced?

And you call other Halo community members "noobs" because of what some poor sport said on Xbconnect?

Have you ever played anyone here on Xbconnect (the ones you called noobs) ?

  • 07.21.2004 8:42 PM PDT
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shadedhalo is exactly right the pistol is all about skill there's nothing CHEAP about it becasue something cheap is very easy to use which the pistol is not. Now the only problem I had with pistol is it's a little weird that a pistol is the most effective mid-ranged gun. But then again how many of you want another fps pistol that once we get a automatic rifle we toss it away no it was actually useful!

  • 07.21.2004 8:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
The pistol can easily be overmatched by a elite with a Plasma Rifle. Infact that's one of the few guns that you could become elite with besides the pistol let me explain. What's the difference between a middle of the road player and a elite with a shotgun there isn't much different but you give the same players a pistol and the elite will clobber the intermidiate gamer. The pistol was a gun that once you practice you can own with it but the problem is that other guns you could only get so good whereas the pistol had the highest celling when it came to use and effectivness.


v. Celling
v. transitive "To store in a honeycomb."
v. intransitive "To live in or share a prison cell."

Taken from Dictionary.com. Where did you get the term celling from?

  • 07.21.2004 8:52 PM PDT
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Its a gun, what do expect it do to??????

  • 07.21.2004 9:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
shadedhalo is exactly right the pistol is all about skill there's nothing CHEAP about it becasue something cheap is very easy to use which the pistol is not. Now the only problem I had with pistol is it's a little weird that a pistol is the most effective mid-ranged gun. But then again how many of you want another fps pistol that once we get a automatic rifle we toss it away no it was actually useful!


shadedhalo is wrong.

If anyone says that the pistol is too powerful, or that the other weapons are not powerful enough - He'll call 'em a noob, simply because of what some poor sport said on xbconnect. That IS wrong. You have to ask yourself.. Is it possible for a bad ass Halo player to call out a weapons balance, or lack there of?

I've competed against some of the best Halo players in the world, and I've had no problems holding my own. So feel free to call me a noob, a noob that has beaten some of the top ranked Halo players in the World.

p.s. I can't stand the pistol. It's too powerful, and it's used in too many situations. It's boring. The muzzel flash is weaksauce. It sounds like a cap gun. And it has no tracers, which just adds to it's "boringness". And when everyone at Halo Nationals is using a boring weapon, I get tired.. Tired of pwning with a boring.overpowered.pistol. I'm tired of checkers, bring on the chess.

I guess I'm just different. I'm too good to worry about anyone's comments about the pistol being cheap. I'm too tough to let the introduction of new weapons (or lack of weapons) and health bars bring me down. I'm always ready to roll. I'm no Grunt, -blam!-.


[Edited on 7/21/2004 9:20:07 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 9:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: General Fox

I've slaughtered an entire team with the pistol, and it felt like a joke to do so too... I felt that whatever skill I had at the time was turning into a typically "OMG I'm good, I just killed a guy that has been in three battles and had nearly no health" -blam!- that the annoying people who think they're good say...


Wow, you must get into combat slow. You know, you could have thrown a grenage and gotten a double kill, maybe a killtacular.


The pistol is not over powered, but shaded halo is telling you why. And the AR isnt really all that bad, ever tried firing it a shot at a time like the flood do in the library? Messes pistolers all up.

I find the most people who complain about pistol run IMMEDIATLY out in the open. Then don't even try moving where they would be sheilded from incoming fire.

There are those little red arrows that tell what direction the shot is coming from, sharpen up the reflexes and catch the direction after the first shot. It helps with those incoming "Pistol Snipe" shots.


[Edited on 7/21/2004 9:41:54 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 9:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: DruG
Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
The pistol can easily be overmatched by a elite with a Plasma Rifle. Infact that's one of the few guns that you could become elite with besides the pistol let me explain. What's the difference between a middle of the road player and a elite with a shotgun there isn't much different but you give the same players a pistol and the elite will clobber the intermidiate gamer. The pistol was a gun that once you practice you can own with it but the problem is that other guns you could only get so good whereas the pistol had the highest celling when it came to use and effectivness.


v. Celling
v. transitive "To store in a honeycomb."
v. intransitive "To live in or share a prison cell."

Taken from Dictionary.com. Where did you get the term celling from?


Celling is a term that usually means highest possible potential. In Halo you could only get so good with some guns that's what the term means and it isn't something I made up it's a common analogy. That and twelve large I dont doubt your not a "noob" but the guns in Halo 2 will be more of a chess match it isn't the pistol's fault it was the AR and plasma rifle and plasma pistol and needler sucking so bad at any kind of range that's what made the pistol a little overpowered not the gun itself. In H2 with the Carbine and Battle Rifle and a new more balanced magnum I think you will be a very happy man as will I.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 9:36:29 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 9:33 PM PDT

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And to post on topic - I really like the new three shot burst feature - and introduction of dual wielding. It seems as though anyone and everyone can master their own weapon/technique in this new game, and not just the pistol, and yet remain competitive, while having their own kickass role in the Halo Universe. We now have our long range, mid range, and short range weapons and situations. With a few in-between situations - which players will learn to take advantage of, I'm sure.

I'm looking forward to suppression fire techniques. I'll keep you unzoomed all day long.

  • 07.21.2004 9:55 PM PDT
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Bungie has admitted themselves that the pistol is overpowered. It is by far the most flexible weapon (especially in outdoor areas!) and needs to do less damage to bring it into line with the capabilities of the other weapons.

Consider, when playing on an outdoor map, most of the time is spent keeping a fairly long distance away from other people. Here, the scope, accuracy and damage of the pistol make it the premiere choice, along with the sniper rifle. So, to make it more balanced in outdoor maps, the sniper weapons need to have cut back abilities.

  • 07.21.2004 10:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Twelve Large
And to post on topic - I really like the new three shot burst feature - and introduction of dual wielding. It seems as though anyone and everyone can master their own weapon/technique in this new game, and not just the pistol, and yet remain competitive, while having their own kickass role in the Halo Universe. We now have our long range, mid range, and short range weapons and situations. With a few in-between situations - which players will learn to take advantage of, I'm sure.

I'm looking forward to suppression fire techniques. I'll keep you unzoomed all day long.



I am in complete agreement with you. And Bungie apparently is too, why else would they keep track of your kills with each gun? I want to be a master sniper and carbine guy ;-).

  • 07.21.2004 10:19 PM PDT

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Well, I have no idea what thay plan to track "for me", and to be honest, I don't really care. I would rather they track info for their own personal use to keep track of weapon balance as time goes on - and as each player masters the game. What once was a balanced weapon, may no longer seem balanced, as players take advantage of every possible situation. Actually, I'd like to see an "overall" stat feature for weapon use. I'd love to the %'s. What percent of the Halo 2 community prefers the Battle Rifle? What % prefers dual wielding? How often do players dual wield? What's the survival rate for a given player in every possible situation? What is the prefered secondary weapon?

Actually, this probably won't even be necessary for Halo 2.

If this were Halo, though, all signs would point towards the pistol as one powerful weapon.

  • 07.21.2004 10:39 PM PDT
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Bungie could just be combining the AR and the pistol to make more room for all of the new weapons. The more weapons they have, the more harder it probably is to balance them out.

  • 07.21.2004 10:46 PM PDT
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First of all, the pistol is good at all ranged because it feels a void where other weapons can't go, because of that people say its overpowered. On outdoor levels if you didn't have the pistol or sniper you'd have to try and get as close to your enemy as possible to fight or use vehicles which is even worse. Yes... the pistol was needed in Halo: CE but with new weapons and add-ons it may not be needed in Halo 2, HOWEVER.. another weapon will take presidence over the pistol and the n00bs will put it in the same category.

Now onto the guy who was talking about 'dunking, meleeing, double meleeing, throwing a grenade'. I have saw you put that same identical line on three or four post, give us a break. You make yourself like even more of a n00b with crap like that. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how to duck a melee and how easy a double melee is to master, it's not as easy as 3 head shots with a pistol. You're nothing special cause you think you can do this all the time and think its just amazing. You probably did this once in a game and think you're God for something most players do on the regular, it's natural instinct. I wasn't talking about what real Halo skill is, I was simply putting it's NO problem to avoid pistol shots by strafing. So you made yourself look like a fool.

Why am I an ass? Because I have my opinion, nobody will change that... I don't really care if the pistol is gonna be in Halo 2 cause there will be another weapon that can be mastered and do the same job. I am just saying in Halo: CE, which this forum isn't about, that the pistol is not overbalanced and nobody I've played with believes it is. Where this guy gets off calling someone on XbConnect a poor sport I have no idea, I didn't know I mentioned someone on XBC. If I do ever get on I don't host so that I do have the pistol lag, so whoever I am playing can't complain about the pistol like you buncha idiots.

  • 07.21.2004 10:50 PM PDT
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Think of it this way if there wan't a pistol imagine playing blood gultch or sidewinder there would be nothing but noob snipers everywhere. But with the pistol's anti sniper abilities only the elite could snipe.

  • 07.21.2004 10:53 PM PDT
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You don't have to be a dang elite to snipe someone with a pistol, if you do then the person using the pistol must be a Halo God

  • 07.21.2004 10:56 PM PDT
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Without a mid range gun the game would be totally a sniper/shotgun game and then people would complain about that too. But let's face facts most of Halo's levels weren't sniper maps and a guy with a pistol could slowly kill someone by knocking him out of their scope unless their was a decent range between them and the sniper was as good or better than the pistol guy.

[Edited on 7/21/2004 11:00:24 PM]

  • 07.21.2004 10:58 PM PDT
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have you ever shot a real gun or do you just take shots in the mouth

  • 07.21.2004 11:10 PM PDT
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I've said it once, I'll say it again... who cares about real life? This is a video game, it doesn't have to be 100 percent realistic so if you don't like it, go shoot your real gun and put down the controller jackass.

  • 07.21.2004 11:11 PM PDT
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That guy is a spammer ignore him shadedhalo. This is a mute point with Halo 2's new guns and dual wielding and the new Magnum (it's in First Strike) that's replacing the pistol who freaking cares about the old pistol.

  • 07.21.2004 11:15 PM PDT
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YOU ARE F UCKING HOMOS EXUAL.

  • 07.21.2004 11:15 PM PDT
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Yeah he is a spammer, and I 100 percent agree Shadow. With all the new stuff I don't care if the pistol is there or not, I know the Battle Rifle and the Magnum will more than make up for it's departure. I just like to argue with ppl who say the pistol requires no skill cause they suck with it.. it passes the time lol.

  • 07.21.2004 11:17 PM PDT
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God get this spammer off of here I know its not real life all that matters is gaming

  • 07.21.2004 11:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
Yeah he is a spammer, and I 100 percent agree Shadow. With all the new stuff I don't care if the pistol is there or not, I know the Battle Rifle and the Magnum will more than make up for it's departure. I just like to argue with ppl who say the pistol requires no skill cause they suck with it.. it passes the time lol.


Soo true *sigh* November 9th seems so far away.

  • 07.21.2004 11:22 PM PDT