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Twelve Large ²

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Posted by: shadedhalo
I am just saying in Halo: CE, which this forum isn't about, that the pistol is not overbalanced and nobody I've played with believes it is.


That's right, it's not overbalanced. It's not balanced at all. Which is why the survival rate without one is so low.


Posted by: shadedhalo
Where this guy gets off calling someone on XbConnect a poor sport I have no idea, I didn't know I mentioned someone on XBC. If I do ever get on I don't host so that I do have the pistol lag, so whoever I am playing can't complain about the pistol like you buncha idiots.


Sigh.. You came out and said that this is what happens -

"YES, I will call ppl noobs who complain about the pistol cause I've played enough on XBC and heard enough noobs say 'well if it wasn't for that pistol you wouldn't have beat me so bad'".

That is just the other player being a poor sport. He has every right to use the pistol as much as you do. You beat him fair and square. BUT, this gives you NO right to call someone a noob, simply because they state that a given weapon is unbalanced on a message board.

We are not your xbconnect buddies. You don't know us. You don't know how long we've been playing the game, or how well we play the game. So please, the next time someone states that the weapon balance in Halo was a little "iffy", and that the pistol was too powerful, don't call them "noobs". Thanks



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  • 07.21.2004 11:26 PM PDT
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I don't know who you are nor your skill level, and know what, I do NOT care either. Someone is a noob if they complain about the pistol when they are HOSTING... yes, that makes them a noob cause they have a 3 shot advantage. I don't think the pistol was too much, it filled the voids left by other weapons, and Halo wouldn't have been near as good without it. I will call you a noob if you choose to say the pistol requires no skill and makes Halo too easy or someone with a pistol too powerful, it's easy to overtake one and if you don't believe that then you are really wasting everyone's time sharing your 'knowledge'.

  • 07.21.2004 11:29 PM PDT
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Without the pistol it would have been MORE imbalanced there would be no way to kill a rocket wielding enemy nor a sniper or a shotgun player your idea falls through. Try playing Counter Strike and say this game has "iffy" balance.

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  • 07.21.2004 11:30 PM PDT
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shadow_warriorX... that is DAMN right. Well put, ppl just don't look at IF the pistol didn't exist.

  • 07.21.2004 11:33 PM PDT

Twelve Large ²

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Posted by: shadedhalo
That still means all you pistol hating noobs will be PWNED.


Am I the only one here that has competed against members of the dream team and came out on top?

Also, I can't stand the pistol. As a matter of fact, I hate it.

Talk about PWNED!

  • 07.21.2004 11:34 PM PDT

holy -blam!-, shadow_warriorX is right... but how do you kill the pistol weilder?

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  • 07.21.2004 11:35 PM PDT
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Who have you played? If you have played Char, Zyos, Orge or Darkman and won then by all means brag away. Deidg you kill them with a Plasma Rifle at close range (the stun prevents them from aiming at your cranium) and a steady shot with your rifle at distance.

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Actually I have all of them on my buddy list on XBC, I'll ask them about ya. Whats your XBC name Bud? I'll find out if you've played members of TDT and won.

And to the other guy's question, the pistol is only exceptional at mid range, get close with just about any weapon and you can kill a pistol user, it's all about strategy.. and with a sniper its no problem at all.

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  • 07.21.2004 11:37 PM PDT

Twelve Large ²

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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Without the pistol it would have been MORE imbalanced there would be no way to kill a rocket wielding enemy nor a sniper or a shotgun player your idea falls through. Try playing Counter Strike and say this game has "iffy" balance.


I don't have to play counterstrike to talk about Halo and weapon balance. Anytime you have a weapon that is used exclusively by tournament caliber players (players of equal skill level), then you have a weapon balance issue.

When was the last time a top ranked Halo player picked up the AR? Or how about the PP? Needler?

Do you really think they'll take an AR + Melee combo over 3 quick shots with the pistol? I have never seen Zyos go for the AR over the Pistol in close quarter combat.

The pistol is also preferred over the shotgun by top players, because as others have already stated - you can get off three shots with the pistol before an enemy can get off two with the Shotgun.


So, we're left with players using the only useful weapons.. Pistol, Sniper, Rocket Launcher, and the rare Plasma Rifle.. For the "freeze melee".



If you take out the pistol..

You still have snipers to counter the Rocket Launcher. You still have power in #'s and teamwork - suppression fire. Two AR wielding teamates can take down someone carrying a RL, considering they're out of effective range of the RL. Since it's power is really only usefull at close range against ground troops.

The Plasma Pistol becomes more effective - and not just useful for taking out 3 players overshields when you hit the Warthogs tire with an overcharged plasma burst.

I could go on, but forget it..

  • 07.21.2004 11:52 PM PDT
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Using a AR against a rocket? Sounds like suicide for atleast one of them to me. The Plasma Pistol is WAY more effective with a pistol just a overcharged shot and a shot to the head is too easy. And when you talk about the tournament players only using a pistol that proves the point the elites are the only ones who understand the power it possese and practice constantly to unlock it you prove my point.

  • 07.21.2004 11:57 PM PDT
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You always talk about the best players using the pistol, so in other words you complain the best players use the pistol instead of other weapons so therefor it's overpowered. Why don't you just try and become as good as them with it instead of whining? And I've saw plenty of videos of Zyos playing, he uses the weapon of choice in situations. In one on one of course he will use the pistol more, but in teamplay his choices vary... like every other good player.

  • 07.22.2004 12:01 AM PDT

Twelve Large ²

An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Who have you played? If you have played Char, Zyos, Orge or Darkman and won then by all means brag away. Deidg you kill them with a Plasma Rifle at close range (the stun prevents them from aiming at your cranium) and a steady shot with your rifle at distance.


Why would I brag? So I could be as cool as you guys? I only stated that crap so I could get your attention, since you all think you're so god damn elite. I'm here to say that good players can see that the pistol is not balanced.

p.s. Just because I called my statements "crap", doesn't mean they're not true. Does anyone ever know what happened to the footage that was taken during Halo Nationals? Regionals, not Finals.. Cause I'm probably on there somewhere holding my own against Shizz and some of the top Texas players.

  • 07.22.2004 12:01 AM PDT
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And sometimes it's more satisfying to kill someone with a Plasma Rifle instead of the pistol. Sneaking behind someone who just got a rocket launcher and then stunning him then SMACK! one swipe and he dies now that's satisfying!

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Yeah, but since Shizz is better than you with a PISTOL.. you lost. :) Point, game, match.. Shadedhalo.

  • 07.22.2004 12:03 AM PDT
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In the finals on Battle Creek most used a AR only Darkman stuck to the pistol until the BG match where their were no shields (1 shot kills anybody?) that everyone used the pistol.

  • 07.22.2004 12:04 AM PDT
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once again, shadow_warriorX is nothing but right.

  • 07.22.2004 12:05 AM PDT
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Thank you. I am sick of weapon balance! It's always a issue in EVERY FREAKING FPS I have ever played in.

[Edited on 7/22/2004 12:10:42 AM]

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Without the pistol it would have been MORE imbalanced there would be no way to kill a rocket wielding enemy nor a sniper or a shotgun player your idea falls through. Try playing Counter Strike and say this game has "iffy" balance

uh, there is 1 missile launcher in a map. with 6 shots. oh yeah, and if you get next to them with any gun they are dead. you obviously havnt tried...

and CS is imbalanced. but your guns can kill anything in three shots...they have guns that are better than others...its not halo.

  • 07.22.2004 12:18 AM PDT
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The ROCKET launcher spawns bud, spawns..

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Also you fail to mention the AWP in CS now that's a unbalanced gun! And a rocket guy up close is hard to take down no matter what gun your using but a pistol you could pick em off at range but other guns you had to risk getting near them with a AR or a PR for example isn't exactly easy.

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  • 07.22.2004 12:21 AM PDT

Isn' this thread about the attle rifle?

  • 07.22.2004 12:30 AM PDT
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Yes but some moron said the Battle Rifle is the replacement of the Pistol then the balance lovers jumped on and this started.

  • 07.22.2004 12:32 AM PDT

Twelve Large ²

An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

Posted by: shadedhalo
Yeah, but since Shizz is better than you with a PISTOL.. you lost. :) Point, game, match.. Shadedhalo.


Wrong.

Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Using a AR against a rocket? Sounds like suicide for atleast one of them to me.


It's not suicide at proper range. You've just never used the AR at mid range - Probably just the pistol - Like me. : )

The next time you're at blood gulch.. Have one of your buddies pick up a RL with plenty of ammo. Then get yourself a partner and go at him with suppresion fire from the AR. See what happens.. I'm pretty sure you two will come out on top.

"What about the smaller maps"

Okay, RL in Prisoner.. Map Control.. WITHOUT PISTOL! WOW! Who would of thunk it?

Your team controls the map.. Then you control the RL. However, we all know what we can do with a sniper rifle on Prisoner. It could be used as an effective counter against someone wiedling a RL, or against an opponent just as they grab the RL from the spawn point. And snipers no longer have to worry about the pistol.. Only suppression fire, from let's say an AR, to keep them unzoomed. This is with a larger team game in mind.

I know that it wouldn't work well in smaller gametypes like 1vs.1 in a ffa tourney, where someone could just whore the RL, take his time, time his kills, and pick up more ammo everytime the RL respawns, but it would work with the larger games - such as 4 - 4 tourneys.

Now, without the Pistol.. Every other weapon becomes a little more useful, imo. To the point of better weapon balance.. Where each weapon can hold it's own against another player in a given situation.

Yes, the RL would be even more powerfull in some of the smaller maps with 1vs.1 games. And yes, the Sniper would also be more powerful, as well. It would have an effective counter - Another sniper rifle - but they only respawn few and far between.. So yes, you would be a sitting duck without a pistol or sniper in bg in a smaller 1vs.1 or 2vs.2 gametype.

In the end, I don't think bungie had enough time to work on proper weapon balance in Halo.

Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
The Plasma Pistol is WAY more effective with a pistol just a overcharged shot and a shot to the head is too easy.


It takes too long to switch weapons. That's not an effective strategy in a 1 vs. 1 ffa match. Although it's useful for taking out vehicle whores shields.


Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
And when you talk about the tournament players only using a pistol that proves the point the elites are the only ones who understand the power it possese and practice constantly to unlock it you prove my point.


What's that? That the pistol is too powerful? It just goes to show that the pistol is too effective for nearly every given situation. That's why it's used so much. I want to use every weapon on the map. I want balance. My opinion also has NOTHING to do with my skills as a player. In case it hasn't sunk in yet.

This is where I will guarantee that no one will use one particular weapon in Halo 2 as much as they used the Pistol in Halo. All the good Halo players will be encouraged to use different weapons, for different situations in Halo 2.

[Edited on 7/22/2004 12:44:37 AM]

  • 07.22.2004 12:33 AM PDT
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Give us something better than that! Also you ignored the HNC point I brought up about the widespread use of other guns in use in the semi's.

  • 07.22.2004 12:36 AM PDT
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Ok Twelve Large lets cover some things on your post.. I don't care if you came close to beating Shizz or whoever, the way you talk it's unlikely you can beat the best player in your neighborhood so lets get to the points.

Your RL comments and talking about Blood Gulch, I don't play BG that much cause it's a vehicle map and it's nothing but a large area mostly longe range battles, nothing against long range battles but yes there is only two long range weapons.

I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times, without the pistol there would be huge lapses in game play, you'd either have to be really close or far off to have a good battle.. the pistol feels these voids and because of this people like you call it unbalanced. The RL is the most dominant weapon in the game, it is easy one shot kills and no you don't have to be close to use it if you have timing and accuracy. I tend to keep a sniper and a shotgun most of the time, because on most maps this combo will serve you well.... however at maps like Prisoner I'll keep a sniper and a pistol. No the sniper rifles aren't few and far between and they aren't hard to access, a simple nade tossed can place the sniper at your feet on most any map. Same goes for the rocket launcher. However as you said there is very little counter for the RL outside of the pistol or a sniper from a distance, BUT.. you made some bland points as well. The plasma rifle can be VERY effective in 1v1, actually it is one of the most effective weapons. Any well respecting 1v1 player shys away from rocket use cause if you die with it the kills just exchange hands, so in most matches players require on skillfull weapons. If you have never watched Zyos, Walshy, Darkman, the Ogres, any of these guys play you will see that on most maps there secondary weapon is always the plasma rifle, the pistol being first because in 1v1 it's the weapon of choice. Being invisible and sneaking up on someone while wielding the plasma rifle is much much more deadly than the regular pistol, it's almost a sure kill.

Now onto the for sure pistol kills you speak of, how it's overpowered. I don't know how your team does strategy but I know that on mine we usually have ONE person always weilding the pistol, the other 3 having different jobs, one being a sniper, another a rocket whore.. and another usually a sneak. The pistol is the best weapon for mid range but no it's not unstoppable and because it feels the voids people call it over powering, ask yourself this... where would Halo be if not for the pistol. It would either be all close range fights or sniper battles, I don't think anyone would have liked that.


You made your points but only contradicted yourself, you said without the pistol it would be hard to supress the fire of a sniper or take down a rocket launcher, EXACTLY. Why do you think the pistol is there? To give an answer to weapons that other wise would have no answer, so how is this overpowering instead of just weighing things out. If the pistol didn't exist you people would be -blam!-ing about how the Sniper has no counter and the Rocket Launcher is too hard to overtake, then know what? The pistol would be a welcomed savior to everyone who plays Halo. So think before you post and make yourself out to be wrong, yet again...

[Edited on 7/22/2004 3:08:29 AM]

  • 07.22.2004 3:06 AM PDT