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Subject: ...head shots with the battle rilfe...?

Twelve Large ²

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Posted by: shadedhalo
Ok Twelve Large lets cover some things on your post.. I don't care if you came close to beating Shizz or whoever, the way you talk it's unlikely you can beat the best player in your neighborhood so lets get to the points.

Your RL comments and talking about Blood Gulch, I don't play BG that much cause it's a vehicle map and it's nothing but a large area mostly longe range battles, nothing against long range battles but yes there is only two long range weapons.

I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times, without the pistol there would be huge lapses in game play, you'd either have to be really close or far off to have a good battle.. the pistol feels these voids and because of this people like you call it unbalanced. The RL is the most dominant weapon in the game, it is easy one shot kills and no you don't have to be close to use it if you have timing and accuracy. I tend to keep a sniper and a shotgun most of the time, because on most maps this combo will serve you well.... however at maps like Prisoner I'll keep a sniper and a pistol. No the sniper rifles aren't few and far between and they aren't hard to access, a simple nade tossed can place the sniper at your feet on most any map. Same goes for the rocket launcher. However as you said there is very little counter for the RL outside of the pistol or a sniper from a distance, BUT.. you made some bland points as well. The plasma rifle can be VERY effective in 1v1, actually it is one of the most effective weapons. Any well respecting 1v1 player shys away from rocket use cause if you die with it the kills just exchange hands, so in most matches players require on skillfull weapons. If you have never watched Zyos, Walshy, Darkman, the Ogres, any of these guys play you will see that on most maps there secondary weapon is always the plasma rifle, the pistol being first because in 1v1 it's the weapon of choice. Being invisible and sneaking up on someone while wielding the plasma rifle is much much more deadly than the regular pistol, it's almost a sure kill.

Now onto the for sure pistol kills you speak of, how it's overpowered. I don't know how your team does strategy but I know that on mine we usually have ONE person always weilding the pistol, the other 3 having different jobs, one being a sniper, another a rocket whore.. and another usually a sneak. The pistol is the best weapon for mid range but no it's not unstoppable and because it feels the voids people call it over powering, ask yourself this... where would Halo be if not for the pistol. It would either be all close range fights or sniper battles, I don't think anyone would have liked that.


You made your points but only contradicted yourself, you said without the pistol it would be hard to supress the fire of a sniper or take down a rocket launcher, EXACTLY. Why do you think the pistol is there? To give an answer to weapons that other wise would have no answer, so how is this overpowering instead of just weighing things out. If the pistol didn't exist you people would be -blam!-ing about how the Sniper has no counter and the Rocket Launcher is too hard to overtake, then know what? The pistol would be a welcomed savior to everyone who plays Halo. So think before you post and make yourself out to be wrong, yet again...


Yeah, because the sniper rifle can fire four shots in quick succession and it has no recoil. So, yes, it is not balanced as well as it could be. I do respect your opinion. And if you think the game is balanced, and that I'm a noob, then so be it. You win.

[Edited on 7/22/2004 5:49:39 AM]

  • 07.22.2004 5:47 AM PDT
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Over-power.

+12 rounds.
+No recoil.
+Long range.
+Fast fire rate.
+Good accuracy.
+Large power.
+Fast reload.
+Fast melee.
+Little muzzel flash.
+Very little gun.
+Zoom.
+Good for long range weapon.
+Good for short range weapon.
+Good for vehicles.
+Fast kills.

Over-use.

+Start off with gun.
+Most players fav. gun.
+Best gun.
+Noob gun.
+Skill player gun.
+Gun around maps.

Unrealst.

A pistol will shot the range and of that accuracy of the pistol in Halo. Pistol has a very small barrel. .50 should cause heavy recoil. .50 cal should not be able to go threw heavy, high class metal, and shield of MC. But yes is is a game.


The other weapons might by a little weak or so, but the pistol is still Over power, unrestst, and over-used. Dumb -blam!-s


[Edited on 7/22/2004 8:46:19 AM]

  • 07.22.2004 8:35 AM PDT

Knowing the idea of realism, it depends who you shoot. Grunts have no head protection at all, or rarely they do. So one hit, they are down. And then there is the Jackel. They have two sets of heads. They either wear armor, or not. Armor, it takes one to two shots. But unprotected, a simple shot would do it, surely. Then there is Elite. I think that if unshield, a well aimed shot could take it out in two hits. The Hunter, they have almost impenetrable helmet. It definately would take three or four hits, and even then, I am unsure they wouldn't fire at you. Then there are Brutes, they where a little, but thick and heavy, armor. About two shots. So, that's about it for headshots. Unless you count humans, Master Chiefs. But I'm not going to bother with that.

  • 07.22.2004 8:44 AM PDT
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Pistol is over-powed, It might take skill to use all of its power. But with skill using all the other weapons you would still fall short to the pistol.

  • 07.22.2004 8:55 AM PDT
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THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HALO 2!. Give it up people in Halo 2 there will be a magnum and more mid ranged guns like the carbine and battle rifle. The sniper rifle will kick after each shot prevent run sniping. And all the old "slayer" style maps will be replaced by "team" style maps. There is probably NOT going to be powerups. So dont worry all those who dont think the pistol is overpowered will love the new magnum and dual wielding and all you balance lovers will not have the pistol to worry about so there.

  • 07.22.2004 11:34 AM PDT

Please, we all know the pistol is uber good and overpowered, but this is NOT about the pistol. YOu may disagree with me, but who cares what i think?

BACK TO THE BATTLE RIFLE

  • 07.22.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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HALO GUNS SHOULDNT HAVE RECOIL.

Here's why. Humans cant handle the recoil of guns. But the master Cheif can, if you do the math in the books (by way of weight in kg., MC's enhanced muscular strength from the hormones, and the strength multiplying factor of his armor) he can legitlly flip a warthog (not a tank), probably one handed (I'll get the exact calculations). So he shouldnt be bothered by the kick of any gun, save a RL or LAGG.

Why would a man who through shear hand strength could break the grip on a gun, have to take kick from a measily 9mm battle rifle? Pfffft

  • 07.22.2004 1:10 PM PDT
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Balance has precedence over realism at all times in a video game.

  • 07.22.2004 1:13 PM PDT
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Screw balance, let the cream rise to the top, if it takes a pistol to do it, or a battle rifle, eventually the noobs will be culled by the elites. I'm half hoping this "balance" ruins the game, eventually making the weapons a giant rock-paper-scissors match.

  • 07.22.2004 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: DeusEx
Screw balance, let the cream rise to the top, if it takes a pistol to do it, or a battle rifle, eventually the noobs will be culled by the elites. I'm half hoping this "balance" ruins the game, eventually making the weapons a giant rock-paper-scissors match.



That sounds liek something hitler would say.

  • 07.22.2004 1:45 PM PDT
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LOL

  • 07.22.2004 1:49 PM PDT
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<waves two pistols in hands> I'm hardcore halo. Bouncing crosshairs won't help people who suck at halo, the fact is, people are still going to get so good that they won't miss. So what, it'll save 5, maybe 6 seconds of the pathetic players lives? The majority of these peoples problems is they don't realise that moving is more important than shooting. People can't shoot what they can't see.


So yes, let them die, then hump their corpses for their inferior skill.

[Edited on 7/22/2004 1:51:46 PM]

  • 07.22.2004 1:49 PM PDT
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Dont worry part of balance is that a superior player will always live.

  • 07.22.2004 1:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Dont worry part of balance is that a superior player will always live.


No, skill keeps you alive, balance is a pathetic atempt to shut up the whiners.

  • 07.22.2004 2:01 PM PDT
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Ok I'm not posting on the pistol, even if it's not in the better players will own the noobs so who cares. I have several questions on things I haven't heard before.

1: Why do you think the Sniper will kick? Where did you read this at? In fact that'd be stupid because sometimes you need to fire twice to kill someone and if that's the case it will weaken the sniper rifle terrible and it is the one weapon in the game they don't need to tamper with. So where did you hear this at?

2: Maps will all be team organized? No.. they won't.. they will have large maps and then they will have smaller maps like in Halo: CE.. more maps will be team organized but they're will still be as many slayer maps as before.

3: Last but not least, there will be no powerups? Are you mad? Of course there will be powerups, why would they take them out? They're part of Halo and I know Bungie isn't gonna try and make Halo 2 like every other FPS out there.

  • 07.22.2004 2:30 PM PDT
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1:Subnova, and reports of teddman and shiska
2:It's more the weapon placement and design maps like wizard will be less likely
3:In the E3 demo there was no health or overshields or camo so we dont know but I can only hope
4:Balance caters to the elite your wrong if your good you dont need a overpowered weapon or glitches to suceed.

  • 07.22.2004 2:46 PM PDT
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Exactly.. if you're good you won't need any advantages, what I was saying, I don't care what they do, noobs will still be owned. I figure the powerups will stay in, the HUD in the demo wasn't finished so there will more than likely be health bars. I hope they have more maps like wizard actually, great for 1v1 battles.

The sniper kicking sucks tho, if you do miss the head and hit like a shoulder you'll have to hold off a sec, completely rezoom and try to find them again before their shield gets back up or they get hid.. and in CTF that will especially blow trying to snipe the guy with the flag and not hitting head the first time cause you have to shoot so quick. I personally hope they don't change that.. and a lot of times ppl on this forum say stuff they'd like to see happen, not what's gonna happen so until I see a Bungie update saying that's gonna happen I don't believe it.

  • 07.22.2004 2:54 PM PDT
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You dont have to rezoom it just sends your cursor up some. And there wont be a health meter if the new hud is final.

  • 07.22.2004 3:14 PM PDT
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ok the cursor moving up is no problem but I still haven't read that anywhere and I seriously doubt that is the final HUD, I even believe they said it wasn't.

Everyone wants to complain that everything is just way too easy, if things are so easy then why do some ppl still suck? Why are some players so much better than others? Exactly...

[Edited on 7/22/2004 3:50:52 PM]

  • 07.22.2004 3:41 PM PDT
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Think of the sniping to be more like Wolfenstein which becasue of the maps was the best sniper's game EVER the kick will only lead to more balance. And the no health thing is most likely going to be in Halo 2 and it wont bother the hardcore very much as most are so good they think it's a waste of time and kills to look for health.

  • 07.22.2004 4:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: DeusEx
Posted by: General Fox

I've slaughtered an entire team with the pistol, and it felt like a joke to do so too... I felt that whatever skill I had at the time was turning into a typically "OMG I'm good, I just killed a guy that has been in three battles and had nearly no health" -blam!- that the annoying people who think they're good say...


Wow, you must get into combat slow. You know, you could have thrown a grenage and gotten a double kill, maybe a killtacular.


The only real time they were together was when they where in the warthog.


The pistol is not over powered, but shaded halo is telling you why. And the AR isnt really all that bad, ever tried firing it a shot at a time like the flood do in the library? Messes pistolers all up.

Well, I would agree if it was close range. But medium range I don't even need the scope (heck, I don't need the scope the majority of the time, I learned how to snipe without a scope for some time now as well). The AR is good with the plasma pistol combo as well (Plasma = anti shields and Bullets = anti health more or less)

I find the most people who complain about pistol run IMMEDIATLY out in the open. Then don't even try moving where they would be sheilded from incoming fire.

I've been sniping for years in FPS games, I know better then that.

There are those little red arrows that tell what direction the shot is coming from, sharpen up the reflexes and catch the direction after the first shot. It helps with those incoming "Pistol Snipe" shots.

This doesn't help if you get killed the instant you spawn.... and in regular casses I already know about this.

  • 07.22.2004 4:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadedhalo
I don't know who you are nor your skill level, and know what, I do NOT care either. Someone is a noob if they complain about the pistol when they are HOSTING... yes, that makes them a noob cause they have a 3 shot advantage. I don't think the pistol was too much, it filled the voids left by other weapons, and Halo wouldn't have been near as good without it. I will call you a noob if you choose to say the pistol requires no skill and makes Halo too easy or someone with a pistol too powerful, it's easy to overtake one and if you don't believe that then you are really wasting everyone's time sharing your 'knowledge'.


1. noob = nothing, If you've played long enough it's newb... and n00b means something else... (BTW, I'm not calling anyone one, just stating the facts)

2. Last time I checked, Stosh made it a rule not to use any version of newb or n00b (this includes Llama, which is where n00b origionated from I believe)

  • 07.22.2004 4:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
Who have you played? If you have played Char, Zyos, Orge or Darkman and won then by all means brag away. Deidg you kill them with a Plasma Rifle at close range (the stun prevents them from aiming at your cranium) and a steady shot with your rifle at distance.


Darkman... I've played about 25 different Darkman's... After that whole tournament I kept running into many many versions of him on Live and over XBox Connect...

  • 07.22.2004 4:36 PM PDT
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There's only one HP Darkman you know the HNC winner.

  • 07.22.2004 4:40 PM PDT
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No, probably 2, like in the regular game, the rifle took em out with a head shot after about 2 or 3 rounds...

  • 07.22.2004 4:42 PM PDT