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Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: The EAKLE
With Halo 2 came Halo's introduction to MLG. Without the Assault Rifle, the only main weapon to have was the BR, so it became MLG's main weapon. Halo 2 quickly became incredibly popular, and the BR came with it.


Here's were i stopped reading because you lost all credibility.
No he didn't.


He kind of did. MLG has been a company that has had playable Halo gametypes since 2002. Notably "Slayer Pro" which was a huge fan favorite at the time. MLG held I believe it was 13 Halo CE tournaments over the course of 2003-2004 using Slayer Pro settings.

Another problem with the OPs argument is that until I think July of 2005, the BR sucked in Halo. You might be wondering about this, well, the BR changed from what was shown in the E3 preview of H2 into a useless weapon until it was updated in 2005. Multiple MLG tourneys were held before the update and for a lot of 2005, dual wielding and other guns not seen in later seasons were seen in MLG. It was the MLG community itself that demanded the change towards more circular weapon gametypes that revolved around the BR, MLG simply complied.

Posting falsehoods like that make people question whether the OP really does know a lot about Halo to where he should be in the position of telling the devs how to develop their game. I mean, who knows what else he just assumed was correct and threw in there?
I was entirely unaware of CE being in MLG. I always thought the first halo game was in there was Halo 2. I also knew nothing about an update for the BR or the Demo version. I had no xbl until a little over a year ago, so i was apparently playing with the default BR this whole time. I would be thankful if someone could tell me how to fix up that section.

However, it does have the same point. The BR is the main weapon of MLG, giving the illusion that it takes more skill.

Hopefully, that is the only falsehood in my thread. Other than the "Root of all Evil" section which is a bit of an over exaggeration, i am speaking from my experiences from my 4,000+ games. If you spot anything else i messed up, please tell me, and we'll see if my point still holds.

  • 07.16.2009 8:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Shift Key
This thread is just stupid.

You all seem to be assuming that Reach will be the same as the other Halos in terms of gameplay, and I'm pretty sure that it won't..
Reach will have a multiplayer, so what is stupid about making suggestions for it? Sure, we dont know what it will be like, but it's worth a shot.

  • 07.16.2009 8:39 AM PDT

I ope we get a weapon set lke CE


And Indestructible vehicles... Those were so fun.....

  • 07.16.2009 8:41 AM PDT

Posted by: The EAKLE
Posted by: The Shift Key
This thread is just stupid.

You all seem to be assuming that Reach will be the same as the other Halos in terms of gameplay, and I'm pretty sure that it won't..
Reach will have a multiplayer, so what is stupid about making suggestions for it? Sure, we dont know what it will be like, but it's worth a shot.

He's right.

Personally if you ask me what I think will make Reach different than other Halo games is it's combination of ODST like campaign and Halo 3 like campaign.

You are a spartan. You have an objective, lets say, take out an anti air turret. You have a valley inbetween yourself and the turret, crawling with various groups of covenant enemies.

Go.

Its no longer "go through the hallways / narrow pathways to get to your goal", its much more of an open environment and your actions decide what happens eventually.

For example, if you take too long, lets say, 20 minutes, renforcements will come to help guard the anti air turret, making it much harder to take out. But there are rewards for not completely beelining for your objective. Allied marines might be holed up somewhere and under attack, and if you stumble across them, if you take the time to save them then you now have some warthogs to help you out. You might find a Covenant Ammo Depot, which you can raid for weapons and prevent a well armed ambush force from attacking you later on.

Something like that. They are going to try to make the campaign as amazing as possible, I don't see the multiplayer changing all that much to be honest, just some balancing things, maybe a new weapon or two, better equipment, some new features, but other than that, just a variation off a basic theme.

So it isn't bad to discuss things now. What else do we have to do with our time? Its a fun and mentally stimulating thing to do.

  • 07.16.2009 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: The EAKLE
Posted by: Runic Aries
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I guess you did not read my epic post. Or you cant handle the truth.

I read the entire post and agree with pretty much all of it. The BR forces Shotgun players to camp, because they have no chance in the open.

IF ANYONE DISAGREES WITH THIS THREAD, TRY PLAYING THE COMPUTER DEMO FOR HALO CE! THAT GAME PLAYS FINE WITHOUT A BR!

  • 07.16.2009 8:45 AM PDT

it is powerful i agree, but it takes some skill to use it, and other weapons even if it involves camping. keep the BR.

  • 07.16.2009 8:47 AM PDT
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i love the br so i dont want them to get rid of it. i just dont really understand why anyone would hate it. the only people that i can think of that would hate it are that people that dont know how to use it.

  • 07.16.2009 8:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Runic Aries
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I guess you did not read my epic post. Or you cant handle the truth.

I read the entire post and agree with pretty much all of it. The BR forces Shotgun players to camp, because they have no chance in the open.

IF ANYONE DISAGREES WITH THIS THREAD, TRY PLAYING THE COMPUTER DEMO FOR HALO CE! THAT GAME PLAYS FINE WITHOUT A BR!

Or pehaps the Shotgun is a melee ranged weapon and wouldn't do well when used over medium ranges regardless of the fact if the BR was in the game or not?

Really. The reason people camp is that idiots don't learn from their mistakes and don't know how to use grenades. Even if a world without the BR, the shotgun people would still camp, because now they are getting mowed down by the AR instead. A smart player will dynamically camp, having a secondary weapon to fall back on while moving around, utilizing the shotgun when the opportunity presents itself.

  • 07.16.2009 8:58 AM PDT

this is what i think about the thread

  • 07.16.2009 9:03 AM PDT

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i love the br so i dont want them to get rid of it. i just dont really understand why anyone would hate it. the only people that i can think of that would hate it are that people that dont know how to use it.
I never said i hated the BR, i said it was to useful an needs to be balanced out or replaced with the pistol i suggested.

  • 07.16.2009 9:07 AM PDT

stop whining on the BR just strafe and go closer to the BR... its not that hard to avoid the br.... you probably just suck with it and face people who are good with it...

and i think u just got lucky this time... seeing in the story line the BR was a prototype...

  • 07.16.2009 9:09 AM PDT

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stop whining on the BR just strafe and go closer to the BR... its not that hard to avoid the br.... you probably just suck with it and face people who are good with it...

and i think u just got lucky this time... seeing in the story line the BR was a prototype...
#1 For the las time, this is not a complaint thread. It is a suggestion as to why the BR should be toned down or removed.

#2 If i were you, i wouldnt say i sucked. I happen to have a better K/D.

#3 If you read all of this thread, you would know by know that this is not about how skilled or unskilled i am. I have said that at least three times.

  • 07.16.2009 9:12 AM PDT

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Man I'm gone for 24hours and has this thread grown. I've read most of the comments both idiotic and sound alike and at this point I think this is just beating a dead horse.

Yes the OP's stats aren't the greatest, but this in no way invalidates his argument. He does so coherently and makes a sound point, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

Stop focusing so much on Canon from the novels because it can be argued both ways that the BR could appear in campaign/multiplayer. The reality is, is, we don't know what the campaign is centered around (more so who, as we all know its a prequel set on Reach). We know the BR "Existed" prior to the chronology of Fall of Reach even though the group of Spartans we followed didn't have access to it. This doesn't change its possible existence elsewhere if this game is based on others or a possible Retcon that could occur if Bungie feels like it, because lets face it, between the choice of "Money/Fan pleasing" or being called a liar/non-canonical, they will go with the first option.

I think the point has been made at this point. Some people agree on its removal, some agree on that it should be toned down/modified, some think it should be left the same, and some think it should be left the same because they're idiots and have no sound argument outside of "Noob."

That is all.

  • 07.16.2009 9:15 AM PDT

This thread a turned into a pro-BR vs. anti-BR thread. A "noob" vs. "pro" thread. (Funny, because no one near a pro even visits this website. Stop talking so much junk and get to the point.)

And you know what? I agree with the OP.

Aside from everything he stated, the BR has just gotten... old. It's boring. I've been using it for 3+ years.

Give us something new. Give us something different.

And please... don't come at me with the "omfg you suck at halo u n00b u suck at the br" because that's not the case here. I'm not here to brag like 80% of the posters here nor am I here to just talk bad about others. I don't need to prove anything to any of you.

I'm just bored of the BR. I never really played Halo: CE, so I don't exactly know what it' slike to play with the Pistol at a hardcore-level. I do know that when you were good at Halo: CE, you were a monster.

Maybe have 3 weapons: a mid-to-long rage weapon (BR), a mid range weapon (Pistol), and a close-to-mid range weapon (AR). The Pistol would obviously have to tweaked up a bit. But it would definitely balance out things.

  • 07.16.2009 9:19 AM PDT

This is killface254

For everyone saying the BR is a noob wepon your wrong because When I first Started playing Halo 2 I mostly used the smg and trust me it takes some skill to four shot people sometimes I am the only person in the match that can and the if your good with the sniper it will always beat the Br no mater the range. The BR is to counter close range wepons in open areas so if you like close range wepons don't run out in to the open.

  • 07.16.2009 9:19 AM PDT

Posted by: The EAKLE
Posted by: The Shift Key
This thread is just stupid.

You all seem to be assuming that Reach will be the same as the other Halos in terms of gameplay, and I'm pretty sure that it won't..
Reach will have a multiplayer, so what is stupid about making suggestions for it? Sure, we dont know what it will be like, but it's worth a shot.

What's stupid about it? You have no clue how the multiplayer is going to work, and yet you're already telling Bungie how to fix it.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 9:23 AM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 9:22 AM PDT

its not overpowered it is a perfectly good weapon now that it has the spread and weakened a tiny bit. the BR in halo 2 was overpowered. like you said that your not good. if you get better then you will realize the awesomeness that is the BR.

  • 07.16.2009 9:22 AM PDT

Posted by: The Shift Key
Posted by: The EAKLE
Posted by: The Shift Key
This thread is just stupid.

You all seem to be assuming that Reach will be the same as the other Halos in terms of gameplay, and I'm pretty sure that it won't..
Reach will have a multiplayer, so what is stupid about making suggestions for it? Sure, we dont know what it will be like, but it's worth a shot.

What's stupid about it? You have no clue how the multiplayer is going to work, and yet you're already trying tell Bungie how to fix it.

There isn't going to be a drastic change to multiplayer. It's going to be team vs. team, first to 50 kills. You will kill your opponent with weapons and grenades.

It's obvious.

I hope you're not expecting Halo: reach to rock your world. Because it's not. It's going to be like every other Halo game, with some differences. Not DRASTIC, but differences.

With that being said, it doesn't matter if we know how it's going to be. We can make suggestions all we want. I don't know why you're trying to come in here telling him he's wrong just for an idea he has.

  • 07.16.2009 9:24 AM PDT

#1. We'd all be bait for snipers if we didn't have a mid-long range weapon like the Battle Rifle/Halo CE Pistol to put some shots on them.

#2. I've found ways to make the sword/shotgun useful WITHOUT camping.

#3. We've already been introduced to this weapon, and there WILL be people that riot if the Br was replaced by a slightly worse pistol.

#4. Br's aren't invincible. All it takes to beat a person with a Br is a good grenade and a pistol headshot.

  • 07.16.2009 9:25 AM PDT

This is killface254

I agree the BR is great if you know how to use it

  • 07.16.2009 9:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: rvbtucker339
its not overpowered it is a perfectly good weapon now that it has the spread and weakened a tiny bit. the BR in halo 2 was overpowered. like you said that your not good. if you get better then you will realize the awesomeness that is the BR.

It is not a perfectly good weapon. Yes, it is supposed to function similar to the Halo 1 pistol (being the "well-rounded" weapon) but the fact that it is so overused is my problem with it. Look at everyone's service record and you will almost always see the same weapon at the top of the list. What is the point of putting a lot of weapons in the game if only one main weapon is used?

  • 07.16.2009 9:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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I typed this up a bit ago, but it didnt get posted for some reason.

The BR should be removed because it is very deadly in too many situations. Most weapons focus on one range, but the BR is lethal at nearly all of them. Yes, a sniper will kill a BR at long range, and an AR will mow it down at close range, but a BR will easily kill an AR at any other range, and you need to be a pretty good sniper to win in a close range fight with a BR. Every weapon has it's own special use, but the BR has too many uses and makes other weapons just seem pointless.

The pistol i suggested would make a much better starting weapon because it doesn't leave you defenseless at a spawn, but still encourages you to find other weapons. It can be effective at short-mid range, but even with it's X1.5 scope you have to be a good player to kill over a large distance. A clip of 12 shots will allow for two kills before reloading, but only if you score all headshots. An average player can easily use it, but would likely prefer other weapons, but like all weapons should be, it requires skill to rack up kills with it.

Removing the BR will not leave a gap in teh weapon layout because there is still the Carbine for mid ranges and the pistol for short-mid ranges. The Carbine seems more balanced than a BR because you need to land more headshots to kill, so it becomes less effective (unless a great shot is using it) at close ranges and extreme ranges.

Power weapons would not be overpowered because unlike the BR they are balanced by their small clips and the fact that most operate at extreme ranges (shotguns are very close range, snipers are long range). An AR can be used effectively against either weapon if you get in the right range, as could a Carbine, new magnum, or SMG.

Although i'd prefer the pistol, another possible solution is toning down the BR. The issue with the BR is that it can be deadly at nearly any range and last a long time. Reducing damage, range, or clip size could all balance it out.

  • 07.16.2009 9:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: rvbtucker339
its not overpowered it is a perfectly good weapon now that it has the spread and weakened a tiny bit. the BR in halo 2 was overpowered. like you said that your not good. if you get better then you will realize the awesomeness that is the BR.
This is actually supporting my post a bit. If you get better, a BR, a starting weapon, is all you need. It practically makes everything else useless.

  • 07.16.2009 9:43 AM PDT

"The Rescue of Pops Ghostly" veteran.

I've never been a "pro" per say, but I've played on both sides of the fence. For competitive clan matches, MLG, ect... I would say the BR is fine. In that setting, team shooting is a must and nothing can fill that position better than a BR/Carbine. Playing for keeps, every shot counts. They're reliable killing machines, and that's just cherry. Aside from breaking Halo fiction, I'm all for keeping the BR (or equivalent) in a competitive playlist.

Having said that, I have gotten a little older and moved more to the social type games. The old MLG-esq me would have sneered at the gametypes/maps that I play now. But to be quite honest, I've had just as much fun without the BR start than I did with it. Sure, I'm not gonna lie, I'll pick it up if I see it. But it's a lot more enjoyable when you have the option to do so. Rather than being picked to pieces at any given time, swiss cheese by team-shoot.

The AR's range has been knocked time and time again, but as stated many times...fire in bursts. If done properly, this is more than enough to drop the target's shield and/or kill or make him take cover . And if it doesn't kill, hell, whip out your pistol and pop him in the cool.

The above scenario isn't possible when all that matters is how many shots you are up or down, out of 4.

Say what you will, but when I'm playing for fun I like to use many different weapons. The AR start will allow you to have said weapons...and fun.

  • 07.16.2009 9:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Shift Key
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Posted by: The Shift Key
This thread is just stupid.

You all seem to be assuming that Reach will be the same as the other Halos in terms of gameplay, and I'm pretty sure that it won't..
Reach will have a multiplayer, so what is stupid about making suggestions for it? Sure, we dont know what it will be like, but it's worth a shot.

What's stupid about it? You have no clue how the multiplayer is going to work, and yet you're already trying tell Bungie how to fix it.

There isn't going to be a drastic change to multiplayer. It's going to be team vs. team, first to 50 kills. You will kill your opponent with weapons and grenades.

It's obvious.

I hope you're not expecting Halo: reach to rock your world. Because it's not. It's going to be like every other Halo game, with some differences. Not DRASTIC, but differences.

I'm not expecting it to 'rock my world,' but I do think it's going to be more than just "Halo 4."

And sure, you can make all the suggestions you want. I just think it would be a lot smarter if you guys waited to play the beta before you criticized the gameplay. I think there's a good chance that the BR won't be in the game anyway since it would screw up the Halo fiction.

  • 07.16.2009 9:44 AM PDT