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If i ever find a cheap H: CE for PC i'll give this a try. Thanks!

No problem dude. Check around for that site anyways just to get a glimpse of what it's like. It's pretty cool to see some of the maps and apps people make too. There was one application for the game that let you play as anyone you bumped into and you could even control a hunter. It was really fun. They also had a 3rd person view app which was pretty interesting also.

  • 07.16.2009 1:30 PM PDT

My honor student can beat up your honor student.

I can see your point in that the BR is considered overpowered and that it should be weakened, but I can't see Bungie taking it out of the game entirely. It would be nice to see the Halo 2 E3 demo BR come back with 3 shot zoom and one shot long range, it would probably solve a few of it's problems.

  • 07.16.2009 1:54 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach. (Update-7/16/09 : New weapons added.)

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Awesome post OP. I hope that Bungie considers this. What they could also do is just leave the BR as is, BUT remove it from matchmaking ENTIRELY. Perhaps include it in Swat. Also no carbine.

  • 07.16.2009 2:00 PM PDT
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Alright I have a solution.

1.Make the AR more accurate at medium range, only affective at long range by firing in bursts and have a larger clip.

2.Keep the BR the way it is in halo 3.

3.Make the melee system work like this: 1 beat to take down shields and 2 beats to kill someone when their shields are down. So when the BR is used at close range it won't be able to destroy all the other weapons.

At close range the BR weilder would have to either:

-Go for 3 shots anywhere on his enemie's body than hit the guy twice which would take forever.
-Go for the 4 shots to the head at close range which is not the easiest thing to do when being blasted by an AR or any close range weapons. This would lower the odds of winning.
-Go for 3 shots anywhere on his enemie's body then one to the head which will bassicaly result in the same thing as going for 4 shots to the head (lowering the odds of winning).
-Go for three beats...If anyone tries this, you will 90 % of the time lose.
-Take down his enemie's shield in any sort of way then shoot the enemy in the body 7-8 times.

This will therefore make the AR have a purpose again and make the BR more "balanced".

O and also I like the idea of the "Spartan combat pistol" you proposed (the one with the 12 round magazine, 1.5 zoom and 6 headshots to kill).

[Edited on 07.16.2009 7:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 2:04 PM PDT

Nobody attacks me without punishment, NOBODY!!!!!

I agree I'm not a big fan of the BR, but I use it when I have to. Bungie should definently weaken it or remove it from the game like the AR from Halo 2.

  • 07.16.2009 2:17 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach
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Probably the dumbest post I've read in awhile, and I want the AR to be better.

  • 07.16.2009 2:19 PM PDT

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Probably the dumbest post I've read in awhile, and I want the AR to be better.

You didn't read the post fully then, and just the title. One of his options is to nerf the Battle Rifle, not remove it.

  • 07.16.2009 2:23 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach. (Update-7/16/09 : New weapons added.)

Lol

The OP clearly does not understand how a competitive online game should work. The BR is a weapon that kills mostly anything if the user has tremendous amount of skill and that is how it should be. The pistol in Halo 1 was the same way. In any competitive game the most skilled has to always be the victor. The people who dedicate their lives to gaming are the only ones who should be able to enjoy the full benefit of winning and fun in the game. Not the casual gamers who only play for a few hours and not care how the game works.

  • 07.16.2009 2:42 PM PDT

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Sounds like he wants the pre-update H2 BR. The horror.

  • 07.16.2009 2:43 PM PDT

Horrible post OP. No Offence.
1st Halo CE did have a BR, it was called the pistol, and it made everything obsolete, except the shotgun and sniper in extreme long/short range.
The BR does not make other weapons obsolete or promote camping. Most other weapons in the game can beat the BR in favorable circumstances. You don't want to killed at long range? Well get behind a wall. It is only on big maps with bad spawns were being killed at long range is a problem, which is the a problem with spawn placement, not the BR.

Those three 'quick' bursts and melee will be beaten all the time by any close range weapon, I fail to see how anyone could beat a decent AR user at close range.
I don't know of a single weapon that the BR can beat in all circumstances.
Taking the BR and Carbine away would see serious dominance from the Sniper and Rockets. Did you even play Combat Evolved?

Most 'Halo Haters' that I know in real life dislike Halo because they always say:
'It requires no skill all you do is run at someone, spam AR rounds, and beatdown.'
This one complaint is nullified by BR starts.

I see no problems with camping in the MLG playlist, maybe Bungie should fix gametypes and maps so that they discourage camping. Without BR starts, other power weapons become even more powerful. I cannot count the number of times I have got sprees on valhalla with the sniper because I keep getting rushed by AR, which does no damage from far away.

  • 07.16.2009 3:15 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

I've said this once, and I'll say this again...The BR should not be toned down. If anything, it needs to be improved. Right now, it is not a precision weapon due to its ridiculously wide spread, which also adds an element of frustration. Its 4-shot power makes gameplay very slow, forcing players to run and hide, instead of fighting back (as compared to the M6D Pistol which promoted constant fast-paced action). And, its burst fire function allows instant headshots without any effort to focus the reticule on your target.

There are certain things that could be toned down like magazine size, and umm, that's it. But, it really would not make a much of a difference to your gaming experience, other than maybe causing more frustration due to having to reload more.

But, all this talk about the BR is overpowered, or the M6D Pistol was overpowered, et cetera, and those weapons do not fit in the balance of Halo is just plain ridiculous. It makes me shutter in fear, just thinking of how Halo could turn into if Bungie was to listen to some of you guys. Hopefully, they don't.


Now, can we please move away from this horrid topic of removing the BR and begin trying to actually improve gameplay? Have you guys ever considered that all the other weapons, that some refer to as being overpowered by a BR or M6D, are underpowered?

So, why can't a weapon, whether it is a Rifle or a Magnum, be extremely accurate (M6D accurate) and be very strong (a 3-shot or a 4-shot)? Why can't Power Weapons be better balanced instead of a gift once held (as in a strong spawn weapon, like BR or uber-Magnum)? And, why can't all the other weapons be stronger with more ranger and power, so they can be used if wanted, but not required to compete (aka balance)?

BTW, the H3 Carbine has exactly the same effectiveness as the H3 BR (with exception of the Sniper defense). So, please do not ever say the Carbine is less overpowered than the BR, ever again, please. It is not; its functionality allows for easy kills just like the BR.

Also, these weapon, M6G Magnum included, all have headshot bonuses. How exactly do you think toning them down will make them any less effective at close-range than they already are? It won't, unless you make their bullets vanish into dust when fired at close range; lol, that would be interresting. The M6G Magnum, when I use it anyway, is just as strong when used at close-range as the BR. You know why? Because it deals headshots, and the Sword, Shotgun, and AR do not. It is simple as that.

So, let's improve gameplay and balance, and speed up the game and action. I don't know about you guys, but balancing the game around the AR for the sake of close-range weapons would be quite dumb; not to mention, it would make Halo even less balanced. Why not make the Sniper shoot randomly why we're at it? Since, we are balancing this game into a random spray fest.

  • 07.16.2009 3:18 PM PDT

bungie jumper lol

it might as well be like the halo 2 campaign beta its single shot in everyway so therefore making the BR like the AR

  • 07.16.2009 4:11 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach. (Update-7/16/09 : New weapons added.)

You sir, have spoke my mind. The BR has indeed turned this game into something it shouldn't be. I often find myself leaving matches because I can't get past those who are better with the BR.

I believe the BR should stay, but be altered. It is a legitimate weapon, and in some situations can be used fairly among other weapons. But it could still function this way, with ability reductions.

I also figure that the new Halo: ODST pistol could be the solution, if only it could be in matchmaking...

Edit: @ Jiggly Luv, you say all these things, yet have no in depth explaination. Is it because you can't come up with them? I'm not trying to be rude, I just want to hear your side of the story without getting confused.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 4:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 4:15 PM PDT

gameplay-wise, it is the perfect idea. but the year is 25whatever and a world without a ranged assault rifle (battle rifle) would seem unreasonable. I like the idea of a toned down version of the br. Its true how the br kills everything. No one goes for the needlers or the plasma rifles anymore. They seem useless but the truth is the br is ridiculous.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 4:38 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 4:34 PM PDT

Bring Forth; the Banhammer

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You're an idiot. That will only remove what competitiveness Halo has left.

[Edited on 07.16.2009 4:43 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 4:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Maverick gw
You're an idiot. That will only remove what competitiveness Halo has left.


Halo is not a competition.

IT'S A VIDEO GAME.

People take it to seriously, all the BR whores turn Halo gaming into a science. It's meant to have fun with, not to have competitions.

Halo:CE MP was funner then all other Halo MP's IMO. When the Battle Rifle came in Halo 2, it could easily counter any handheld weapon. In Halo 3, it can still counter any handheld weapon, just not kill people as fast.

  • 07.16.2009 4:46 PM PDT

Posted by: animalmother671
gameplay-wise, it is the perfect idea. but the year is 25whatever and a world without a ranged assault rifle (battle rifle) would seem unreasonable. I like the idea of a toned down version of the br. Its true how the br kills everything. No one goes for the needlers or the plasma rifles anymore. They seem useless but the truth is the br is ridiculous.


Doesn't matter what timeline it is. Todays equivalent to Halos Battle Rifle is the Main Battle Rifle.

  • 07.16.2009 4:51 PM PDT
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You're an idiot. That will only remove what competitiveness Halo has left.


Halo is not a competition.

IT'S A VIDEO GAME.

People take it to seriously, all the BR whores turn Halo gaming into a science. It's meant to have fun with, not to have competitions.

Halo:CE MP was funner then all other Halo MP's IMO. When the Battle Rifle came in Halo 2, it could easily counter any handheld weapon. In Halo 3, it can still counter any handheld weapon, just not kill people as fast.
Fun is subjective. Some people have fun playing competitively, some people have fun racing Warthogs.

  • 07.16.2009 4:54 PM PDT

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The OP clearly does not understand how a competitive online game should work. The BR is a weapon that kills mostly anything if the user has tremendous amount of skill and that is how it should be. The pistol in Halo 1 was the same way. In any competitive game the most skilled has to always be the victor. The people who dedicate their lives to gaming are the only ones who should be able to enjoy the full benefit of winning and fun in the game. Not the casual gamers who only play for a few hours and not care how the game works.
That's a little biased. Gaming was meant to be something for fun, not all competitive all the time. I work every day and i can only get on for a few hours every night, if that. Why should i not be allowed to have fun and enjoy the full benefit of winning? If you want to be extremely competitive, there is hardcore and ranked. If you pay attention though, Social gets way more players. Why is that? Because social or casual gaming is more popular, and many people find it more fun.

Also, just because it's competitive doesn't mean the BR has to be this way. I dont think a game should have a weapon that can kill nearly anything else. Using a BR does not take a "tremendous" amount of skill. Skill can not be measured. Every weapon takes skill in some way. The BR is only better because it is more versatile for other weapons.

  • 07.16.2009 4:55 PM PDT

Bring Forth; the Banhammer

Where's my Mythic Member Status Bungie, eh?

The battle rifle is the only weapon close to the Halo: CE Pistol. If they remove that, then what else have we got to work with?

  • 07.16.2009 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Maverick gw
You're an idiot. That will only remove what competitiveness Halo has left.
I find it a little stupid that all competitiveness in Halo is now based on the BR. Halo CE was in MLG, and it had no BR. It had a pistol that functioned very much like a BR, which is one of the suggestions i made.

If Halo was made the way i suggested, it would not be much different. Either the BR get's a smaller clip and/or becomes slightly less effective at long range, or a new weapon -very similar to the BR- is added. Or the pistol and AR are modified to act more like a BR.



[Edited on 07.16.2009 5:00 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2009 4:58 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Edit: @ Jiggly Luv, you say all these things, yet have no in depth explaination. Is it because you can't come up with them? I'm not trying to be rude, I just want to hear your side of the story without getting confused.
What part are you referring to? I'm just sick of hearing how Bungie should decrease the power of the BR, when in fact this frustration that everyone has with the weapon has to do with the power of everything else.

The problem I have with the BR is that it fires in a 3-bullet burst with an extremely wide spread; people are proposing that it should be even worse. The one problem I have with the M6G Magnum is that it has a wide probability of trajectory error programmed on the weapon; people are proposing that the Magnum how it functions in Halo 3 is how a mid-ranged weapon should be. I think those weapons should be improved quite a bit, along with certain weapons that are in the close-ranged niche getting a boost in range.

I believe the balance of the weapons should be around mid-range, not close-range, like what is being proposed. I believe the spawn weapon should be a weapon with sufficient range and headshot capabilities; if it isn't, then it slows the game down and brings unbalanced gameplay. But, I suppose people want to slow the game down and decrease the game's mid-range combat for the sake of using close-ranged weapons.

If the power of the mid-ranged weapon, whatever it is, is balanced to the AR, then I won't even consider Halo:Reach; it won't even be a thought. NO. The BR or Magnum should have alot of range (M6D-like range preferred), a single shot, and have the power of a 3-shot (4-shot at worst), with everythiing balanced up to it.

I'm not really sure why you need more indepth than that. Do you want me to say the AR should deal headshots and have more range or something? These other weapons are underpowered. But, I suppose people are stuck on this idea that the BR ruins Halo because it MLG uses it as a spawn weapon or some other ridiculous reason for trying to remove or alter its functionality. The only BR alteration should be to make it more of a precision weapon (like a single-shot) and increase its range.

  • 07.16.2009 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Maverick gw
The battle rifle is the only weapon close to the Halo: CE Pistol. If they remove that, then what else have we got to work with?
Have you read my OP? I suggested ways to "fix" the BR and other weapons that could take it's place.

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Y'know i remember seeing that special (Demo Video Trailer) for halo 2 in my halo CE game disk and it showed a BR with a single shot only it was pretty cool but when halo 2 came out it was a semi auto 3 shot and i was kinda disappointed, perhaps we just make it like that and it would all be fine, then it would be like the carbine, 7-10 shots in the head real quick and your done

  • 07.16.2009 5:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lexxier
Posted by: Maverick gw
You're an idiot. That will only remove what competitiveness Halo has left.


Halo is not a competition.

IT'S A VIDEO GAME.

People take it to seriously, all the BR whores turn Halo gaming into a science. It's meant to have fun with, not to have competitions.

Halo:CE MP was funner then all other Halo MP's IMO. When the Battle Rifle came in Halo 2, it could easily counter any handheld weapon. In Halo 3, it can still counter any handheld weapon, just not kill people as fast.
Fun is subjective. Some people have fun playing competitively, some people have fun racing Warthogs.

I believe that was Lexxier's point. Even if the competitive aspect of Halo died with Reach, people could still play for what they think is fun.

  • 07.16.2009 5:07 PM PDT