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Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

i dont know how, but the BR should be changed. i agree with your way ;)
finally someone who agrees with me, BR is a problem in halo XD

  • 07.18.2009 7:13 AM PDT

Using the BR doesn't make you a noob. When someone uses a BR against you, use frags or stickies and then headshot them with the pistol. If Bungie tones down the BR then people will charge too much and would also ruin MLG.

  • 07.18.2009 7:40 AM PDT

I think most people seemed to have missed the point of what people dislike about the BR. I like the BR but it's a bit weired that the BR can beat the AR at ANY range. Please don't tell me the AR beats the BR at close range, using a BR I can beat most AR users even at point blank range. I'm not saying tone down the BR's long range awesomness, but at least give the AR a chance at the closer ranges.

  • 07.18.2009 8:12 AM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach
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I agree 100%!

  • 07.18.2009 8:20 AM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

There is one other alternative to toning down the BR of course. If all weapons got a limited scope or some form or sight to reduce spread it would make all the weapons more skillful to use as well as better at long ranges.
While everyone might say "this isn't in the canon the weapons have never had sights before", if you look at the shotgun (for example) it has iron sights along the top of it.


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  • 07.18.2009 8:34 AM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach. (Update-7/16/09 : New weapons added.)

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Posted by: flamedude
It's interesting that some players want a toned down BR, or no BR at all, and some want a more accurate BR with less spread.
If the BR gets a power or accuracy increase i'd give up playing to win in Halo altogether. It would be way too easy to four-shot across maps. People would die left and right.

The BR does work as it is now, and i'd play Reach if it didn't change, but i think it could be so much more enjoyable with a toned down BR, or some new gun to take it's place.


If it became more accurate it would be harder to use. The only playlist where I get consistent 4 shots with the BR is MLG because of the damage increase. I usually am not close enough or miss a bullet or XBL takes effect and I end up having to take the 5th shot to kill someone in default. I find it interesting that so many players find the BR so easy to use and four shot all the time as claimed by many on these forums. To be honest, I don't believe it.

I'd actually favor a smaller BR spread as long as bullet magnetism is decreased. It means you have to be more accurate to kill someone, a lot more than most people are used to nowadays.
I dont believe it either. Im decent with a BR, but i rarely four shot at long range. Although it seems pretty easy at mid range. My issue with the BR is that if you miss a shot or two you can still get two 5-6 shot kills per clip.

What exactly is "bullet magnetism?"


Bullet magnetism is a form of aim assist. I'd assum you noticed one form of aim assist, the reticule slowing down as it crosses an opponent that is within range to turn it red. Aim assist is put into console shooters because joysticks alone are not very accurate.

The other type of aim assist is bullet magnetism. This is wear after the bullet is shot it will physically curve while in the air and hit the opposing player rather than going straight and say hitting the wall next to the enemy.


I'm just going to quote myself and throw that back out there.

Posted by: flamedude
The BR fills a necessary role. It is an all-rounder that excels at mid-range combat. But at close range an AR will beat the BR just as at long-range a Sniper will beat the BR. It really isn't that dominating, its a workhorse.

Knowing the strength of a gun before running off into battle with it is important. BR does its job.


I like this quote the best so far. It doesn't go super in depth into one of the countless gameplay situations that can be thrown out to favor either side of the argument, yet it covers the bases for the point its trying to get across well.

On a side note, I'm sure at this point all of the weapons that are going to be in Reach have been decided. There really isn't a point to making threads about it, I would just wait until the beta and then make threads about tweaking weapons we see in the beta.

  • 07.18.2009 8:38 AM PDT

Enemy of my enemy's enemy is still me enemy. Get it?

The BR fills the neccessary roll of being the most useful weapon in the game...which is not a good thing. Every gun should be considered for use. Not just the BR...and the power weapons.

  • 07.18.2009 8:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: Chief Jaden
The BR fills the neccessary roll of being the most useful weapon in the game...which is not a good thing. Every gun should be considered for use. Not just the BR...and the power weapons.
QFT.

Anyway, im probably done with this thread. I wont be on much this weekend, but i'll work on a new, better, post with the same base idea as this one. If i can, i'll get a ninja to lock this one when im ready with the new one. Keep posting if you want. I'll use arguments brought up here to improve my OP, and make confusing parts more clear.

  • 07.18.2009 9:45 AM PDT

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  • 07.18.2009 9:47 AM PDT

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  • 07.18.2009 10:03 AM PDT
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Wow the BR was already weakened from H2 and you guys want to make it even less powerful, let alone the pistol being replaced by the H2 BR, it seems that the more halo games are made the more noob friendly they become, thank god for the level of customisation in halo 3.

What some members on this site don't seem to understand is the concept that the victor of the game should be the person who is the best at the game, just like any other fun game like basketball or football. The BR is a great starting weapon because it allows the most skillful deserving players to get the power weapons off spawn and also to counter them, while with the AR there is NO skill gap, just who has a better connection and is so repetitive you mostly just trade kills in beatdowns BORING. They also slow the pace of the game down, why do I have to walk to the other side of the map to get in close enough to get an AR kill.

In conclusion what should be done is instead of most weapons being close range why not have most weapons mid-range with more functionality and power, like how the plasma rifle in H1 you could kill mid-range and use it to freeze you're enemy. I find it funny how the OP says remove or tweak the BR but the carbine is ok, when they are basically equals.

Halo Reach would be a terrible game without a skillful mid-range to long-range weapon and they would lose a LOT of dedicated fans and they're aren't going to change it just because some guy is losing all the time so decides to blame it on the game.

  • 07.18.2009 10:18 AM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

Posted by: Sonic343
I don't think you are allowed to talk about bungie on Bungie.net.

A great way to nerf the battle rifle is to make it only accurate when you're scoped in. Thus, at close range, it will be overcome by other weapons more suited for that kind of combat, such as the assault rifle. The battle rifle will still be useful at mid-range, but considerably less of a power weapon and more of a specialised tool. Same goes for the carbine.

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  • 07.18.2009 10:42 AM PDT

Posted by: Sonic343
I don't think you are allowed to talk about bungie on Bungie.net.

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and this is why i make alt accounts
noobs try to ruin the game for me so i might aswell try to return the favour


Making a second account only proves you're a pansy. Having fun out-BR'n level 15's?
Back on topic, the BR does ruin the game. While I'm good at using it, I strongly detest how it reduces Halo to never ending 5-shot battle rifle duels at high levels.

  • 07.18.2009 10:51 AM PDT
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You do know the Battle Rifle is 4 shots, another reason why your opinion can't be taken seriously.

  • 07.18.2009 10:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Sonic343
I don't think you are allowed to talk about bungie on Bungie.net.

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BK 45s you mean?


My ratio is higher than most generals' kill/death -_-
You are clearly trying to start a flame war. Not going to work.

And to this guy...

Posted by: Rhodes
You do know the Battle Rifle is 4 shots, another reason why your opinion can't be taken seriously.


Not many people get perfect 4-shots in typical matches. The only place where that happens regularly is MLG, with the 10% damage increase.

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  • 07.18.2009 10:56 AM PDT
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BK 45s you mean?


My ratio is higher than most generals' kill/death -_-
You are clearly trying to start a flame war. Not going to work.

And to this guy...

Posted by: Rhodes
You do know the Battle Rifle is 4 shots, another reason why your opinion can't be taken seriously.


Not many people get perfect 4-shots in typical matches. The only place where that happens regularly is MLG, with the 10% damage increase.


Yeah and you made that clear in your previous post, like others have said making the BR weaker is not going to solve the problem and I absolutely hate the idea you came up with before of only being accurate when scoped in which makes accurate aiming while strafing void, which is why I love halo.

Also your ratio being higher then most generals means nothing because you won't be playing people as good as most generals and will just kill noobs all day and just play in crappy AR playlists, thus you fail.

[Edited on 07.18.2009 11:25 AM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 11:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Sonic343
I don't think you are allowed to talk about bungie on Bungie.net.

Posted by: Rhodes
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BK 45s you mean?


My ratio is higher than most generals' kill/death -_-
You are clearly trying to start a flame war. Not going to work.

And to this guy...

Posted by: Rhodes
You do know the Battle Rifle is 4 shots, another reason why your opinion can't be taken seriously.


Not many people get perfect 4-shots in typical matches. The only place where that happens regularly is MLG, with the 10% damage increase.


Yeah and you made that clear in your previous post, like others have said making the BR weaker is not going to solve the problem and I absolutely hate the idea you came up with before of only being accurate when scoped in which makes accurate aiming while strafing void, which is why I love halo.

Also your ratio being higher then most generals means nothing because you won't be playing people as good as most generals and will just kill noobs all day and just play in crappy AR playlists, thus you fail.


You just can't win against these two blow-hards. They're both second accounters for a reason.
Have you two even seen my top 5 t.o.d..s? Think before you post.

In addition this thread has gone way off topic and will probably be locked soon due to flaming.

  • 07.18.2009 11:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Zl0rfik
You just can't win against these two blow-hards. They're both second accounters for a reason.
Have you two even seen my top 5 t.o.d..s? Think before you post.

In addition this thread has gone way off topic and will probably be locked soon due to flaming.


You can't win because we are right and you are wrong, I'm not flaming just pointing out facts, if your too sensitive that's your own problem. I have a second account so I can play with my mates who are low levels and so I can add more people. What does t.o.d. even mean ?
Also you were the one who went off topic.

On topic: Yeah the BR is overused, and you say it makes other weapons void, I'd rather use the BR even if they aren't void because frankly all the other rubbish duel-wieldable and automatic weapons are pretty boring to use.

  • 07.18.2009 11:48 AM PDT