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Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach
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Let me ask this. If the BR promotes Camping with the shotgun and sword do you really think that by removing it the sword/shotty would'nt be cheap? people would still hide around corners, only without a weapon that can shoot at range you will get slaughtered.
If yo dont like the BR play social, and its hard to say that "any noob" can get a br kill, because 100% of the noobs i have encountered use the AR no matter what, and their whole plan of attack is to charge, and then beatdown.

  • 07.18.2009 10:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: C00KE
Let me ask this. If the BR promotes Camping with the shotgun and sword do you really think that by removing it the sword/shotty would'nt be cheap? people would still hide around corners, only without a weapon that can shoot at range you will get slaughtered.
If yo dont like the BR play social, and its hard to say that "any noob" can get a br kill, because 100% of the noobs i have encountered use the AR no matter what, and their whole plan of attack is to charge, and then beatdown.
Saying the BR promoted camping was a worded poorly on my part. What i meant more was that because of the BR, weapons like the shotgun are more effective when used in camping situations. Although, as other people brought up, that is how a shotgun is meant to be used. It was just something to think about.

And, just so you know, there are BRs in social.

  • 07.18.2009 10:11 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added
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Posted by: The Shepherd214
No, this is not reasonable. The BR is not the problem. If anything, the assault rifle/melee combo is a worse problem.

The BR in Halo 3 IS the toned down BR that you speak of. It had pinpoint accuracy in Halo 2 from any range, and its range matched with the sniper rifle. At a distance, the BR in Halo 3 is very frustrating to use, as any good player would realize when they play SWAT. Headshots miss constantly in SWAT and other BR gametypes when at a fair amount of range in Halo 3. The BR is not the problem, its a medium to long range weapon, like how many other games have medium to long range weapons. Your basically arguing against a weapon with a decent amount of accuracy and range. Why?

You argue that short range weapons are useless against the BR. Shouldnt they be? You say that the only way a close range weapon can beat a BR is to camp, and the BR encourages camping. Wait, what? The BR should rightfully be able to beat any short range weapon if caught out in the open. Thats the way any game works. You wouldnt run out into the middle of Bog in COD4 with a shotgun would you? You creep around and get close to people if you wield a shotgun, the same as ANY game, Halo 3 included. You wouldnt run in charging with a short ranged weapon against the guy with a long range weapon in any game. You have to camp or sneak a little to get the guy with long range, its common sense. Or at the very least you must change tactics to beat the guy who has a sniper or a BR. get over it.

In BR gametypes where the BR is the default weapon, there should be no complaints or excuses. You have a BR, they have a BR. Its equal. No matter whether the BR is horribly under or over powered, you are at no disadvantage since you start with one.

If your not good with a BR, quit Halo. The BR is Halo. The BR takes a good amount of skill to use like any weapon that requires precise aiming, such as a sniper rifle. The BR is not the
problem. The BR did not "destroy our beloved Halo", people like you are destroying our beloved Halo. Theres actually a much stranger following than this crap who wish the BR was more like it was in Halo 2.

In Halo 2, scrubs like you were destroyed with no mercy. You had no hope and no future other than custom games. Halo 3 helped you. In order to appeal to the more "casual crowd", Details were changed in Halo 3 to give players who arent amazing at FPS's a fighting chance. Theres nothing wrong with that at all either just for the record. Halo 3 decreased BR range and accuracy, and increased auto-aim, lunge distance, and melee power, to help bad players like who who cant aim and for them to get some easy kills. Add in the AR, which is a default starting weapon, has more power and range than the Halo 2 SMG default starting weapon, which makes it less important to go and fight for power weapons.

Halo 3 gave bad players like you a chance to fight and not look so bad when you lost to the good players. Thats it. And your complaining about this why? Im not complaining. Good players still beat bad players, the only difference from Halo 2 is that bad players have a bit more of a chance now. Leave it alone, the BR is fine. Get used to it. Play Halo like any other game.


I was going to reply to this thread and prove that what you posted was idiotic. No, I am not saying you are an idiot, just that this one thread is idiotic. However, upon reading this post ^^ I decided not to because someone else already has.

[Edited on 07.18.2009 10:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 10:18 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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/facepalm
I guess you did not read my epic post. Or you cant handle the truth.

The BR takes skill to use, the AR does not, it's really as simple as that. Whether you realize it or not, you want the BR gone because you don't have enough skill to win as many 1v1 battles with it as you would like.

No offense, but you are an idiot. Don't post stupid threads like this. The Halo games have ALWAYS been competitive games.... and you're asking for the main weapon in this game to be nerfed to make an already small skill gap even smaller... Please think before you post again.

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  • 07.18.2009 10:20 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

'some great AR users'.....are you serious- there nothing to it- just SPRAY AND PRAY
AR = FAIL

  • 07.18.2009 10:30 PM PDT

Wow no. If the game revolved around AR I woulden't play it. Can you imagine a flag only game where everyone just ran around with AR and needles and the occasional rocket. Halo would fail as a game. Alot of people ENJOY using the battle rifle.

And as soon as bungie got rid of BR people would start to whinge of host winning beatdowns and etc. The game would be a bunch of charging spraying and melle. No sir you fail.

  • 07.18.2009 10:40 PM PDT
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Lets say the BR was taken out of Halo 3. I would quit Halo. Yup that's it.

  • 07.18.2009 10:43 PM PDT
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Leave the BR how it is its fine just make sure they have better Hit detection

  • 07.18.2009 10:48 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added
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Any game where almost every player has the same top 3 tools of destruction and the number of kills with those 3 weapons dwarfs all other weapons is a poorly balanced game. The gameplay should not revolve around one weapon. It should revolve around all weapons, each should have its own unique uses, strengths and weaknesses. Any one weapon fanboy is an idiot and that is fact. We need balanced gameplay that revolves around all weapons and gameplay elements. The current BR is just capable of too much.

[Edited on 07.18.2009 10:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 10:51 PM PDT

This is in response to the OP, so it obviously wont make sense unless you read the first post word for word.

The br is not overpowered. try killing an ar user at close range with a br and you will (proberbly) get owned. the whole 4 headshot kill thing can be a bit harder to do when your concentrating on meleing as well as shotting a burst weapon like the br, and at closer ranges people with swords/shotguns etc will kill you. and unless your runnging around with ONLY a shotgun/sword, as long as you get behing cover for a second and switch to your power weapon you should be able to surprise the br user and take him down. and if your fighting a br user whos shooting from outside your ars range, dont whinge and say you cant take him down and that the br is too powerful. instead, nade and try to kill him, or run, preferbly behind some cover. the br was meant to be good at mid range, and if you use it effectively you can get easy kills, like the OP said.

each weapon has its own pros and cons including the br, so you cant complain that the br makes halo unfair without saying that the whole game is unfair.
eg br isnt as good (for most people) at close range compared to some other weapons.
the br does force you to get power weapons like the rocket launcher, but if you think about it every weapon/veichcle/equipment does.
say you were in a br match on the pit. you arnt that good with the br (just for example) and you are quicly killed by br users, so you go get the sword to try and even it out. now consider a match of normal slayer on the pit. you arnt that good with the ar (again just for example) or maybe you want an edge over your oponent, so you decide to get the sword. sound fammiliar? ok, now consider a match on valhalla. the other team has got a banshee, so you decide to rush the lazer spawn.
getting rid of the br wont stop people wanting or getting forced to use power weapons, its just a part of halo that there are more powerful weapons on the map (or in your oponents hands) than the one you have.

brs are not "evil" in any way. people who are frustrated of dying repeatedly by the br and who start driving off cliffs eg could have just been as easily furstrated by repeated spiper kills, or needler kills, campers in bubble shields, nades and everything else in halo.

getting rid of the br would not solve halo problems. amazingly enough, not everyone has played halo ce and has loved the pistol and combat rifle. quite a few people love using the br, and would not like buying a new halo game in which a little crappy(ish) pistol is their only alternative to snpiers and ars/shotguns. if you think halo 3 weapons/br is a bit to powerful, play halo 1/2 so that we dont have half the content in halo 1 in a entirely new halo game.

OH and i have an easy solotion if your being beaten by brs: ultimate teamwork. luring, camping, gang bashing and more stratergies can own the br if used right.
SORRY if someone already said this. i only read first and last pages....im to lazy to read it all

  • 07.18.2009 10:56 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

skipping most of thread to make a point

Ok The BR for me DEFINES Halo its one of the only things that keeps me playing other than plasma grenades, SWAT and shotguns. Change the BR and I will throw Halo in to the center of the earth. If you want to change something adjust or trash the Carbine if you made the carbine=BR then I'd use it, its all about the result. (I'd still prefer the BR though

  • 07.18.2009 10:57 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added
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The BR has the potential to be better than most weapons.

For example, I almost always win in close, not melee, range fights involving a BR vs Spiker/AR/SMG/Plasma Rifle and I have the BR. By staying out of melee range I'm almost always able to win. Thats not very fair.

EDIT:I think they should make most other weapons more effective so they can compete with the BR.

[Edited on 07.18.2009 11:07 PM PDT]

  • 07.18.2009 11:04 PM PDT

You are dumb, I don't even need to look to know that you are some lvl 37 bk. Your mad my BR is too insane. Only good idea was combat rifle. And you are dumb BR is a perfect starting weapon because it is versatile. A starting weapon should not be too powerful, or too inaccurate, and the br does that.

  • 07.18.2009 11:10 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

There is no reason to remove the Battle Rifle from the game entirely. Obviously it is a favorite weapon of competitive gamers (along with the H:CE pistol) and obviously the more casual players feel it ruins the balance with the other weapons. However, both communities can be pleased quite easily. The Battle Rifle and H:CE Pistol can remain part of the Halo legacy, but in Match Making gametypes all of the Battle Rifles and Pistols can be removed from the map using Forge (or whatever map editing program Bungie decides to include.

In fact, most people today would not care if the Battle Rifle was removed from most of the Match Making playlists because Bungie has been kind enough to give Major League Gaming its own playlist. Assuming this continues into Halo Reach, there is no reason for casual and competitive gamers to argue about weapons. The competitive gamers can have their competitive playlist with all of the weapons they want designed the way they want, and the casual gamers won't be pestered by kids who play way too much Halo (I plead guilty lol) and are therefore capable of ruining casual games because they have an accurate long range weapon like the Battle Rifle or Pistol.

To sum up what I have said:
- Make the BR more competitively viable
- Keep the Pistol as close to H:CE's as possible (I don't see a reason to alter even slightly such a "pure" weapon)
- Do not include these competitive weapons in casual gametypes where they will ruin the balance for players who don't like get killed across the map on spawn

  • 07.18.2009 11:15 PM PDT

Clearly because the desktop uses a 3 prong plug and a laptop uses a 2 prong plug, the microwave will fill your car with tostitos better

The primary mid range weapon of Halo has been nerfed twice already. There is no need to nerf it again. Other weapons need to be tweaked and made more effective. Aim assist needs to be decreased greatly, and BRs should be less plentiful on maps and carbines should be added on new maps or at least there should be a few more of them around.

I don't think its necessarily a problem with a BR so much as its a problem with a lot of new weapons in this game just being completely one dimensional or nerfed even harder than the BR.

There are a lot of other routes that can be taken than making the carbine completely dominant at mid range by tweaking the BR (even though it is already a better short and mid range weapon than the BR), it will be even worse if more carbines are added and the only other effective mid range weapon is nerfed and made less common.

  • 07.18.2009 11:50 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

You have no idea what your talking about rofl. the starting weapon in halo 1 for MLG was the pistol. WHY? because it took SKILL to get TSK's (Three shot kills) and what do we have in halo 2 and halo 3? a battle rifle. why is that? because the pistol was unrealistic where as the battle rifle makes perfect sense, medium to long range weapon that dominates people at MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE, and ya some people have the skill to "pwn"at close range with a BR like myself, because i USE it its basically all i use because it takes skill and halo is something i want to be skilled at. but to say that BR > AR close range is horribly wrong, the AR almost ALWAYS wins in very close range versus a BR u get 3 shots off and u die. the game is perfectly fine the way it is, if you want to play with a BR play MLG, if you don't wanna play with a BR play Team Slayer. Get over it bungie isn't going to get rid of the BR any time soon and they aren't going to change it. its fine the way it is and if they got rid of it none of the "skilled"players including myself would play the game. I mean heck why dont we just remove the sniper rifle too because its possible to get kills with it CLOSE range when its a LONG range weapon. imagine that. because in real life no one has ever gotten a close range kill with an m16 i guess ;\

and on another note i dont know why your even b****ing in the first place, the BR will NOT be in halo reach because in case you don't realize this reach is BEFORE halo 1. were going back to the pistol. and guess what! the pistol will be the MLG starting weapon for SKILLED players. get over it and go level past a staff captain kid.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 12:06 AM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 12:05 AM PDT

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dude just because you suck at useing the BR doesnt mean that everyone that does like it needs to suffer if you get rid of the BR there goes prolly like 75% of the fans and the AR is more powerful than the BR just that the AR and th BR are different ranges gives it its purpose to offset the close range weapons so they cant get close its called using smarts playing dont charge across the map with a sword at a guy with a sniper you dont do that!!!!

  • 07.19.2009 12:09 AM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

You are lame...

Posted by: Runic Aries
/facepalm


Okay, please bear with me through this long post filled with anger and frustration, I typed this sentence after I was done and I have to say that posting this makes me feel a lot better about the success of Halo: Reach. I am also sorry if my post is a bit unorganized : /

Getting rid of the BR/making it any less powerful would create a game that is just not Halo. What the OP wants is stupid, ignorant, and just plain horrible.

Posted by: The EAKLE
Basically, if you are not good with a BR or sniper you are killed a lot or considered a noob.

I am sorry to poop on your fantasy world where that would be a false statement, but those two weapons (along with the Carbine and Pistol) ARE THE MOST SKILL BASED WEAPONS IN THE GAME. This is because these weapons reward hitting the head, one of the smallest (not in the OP's case) parts of the character to hit.


Halo 1 and 2 were so successful because of the easy to learn yet hard to master system that the games held. This system was created with utility weapon as the foundation. In Halo 1 there was the pistol and in Halo 2 there was the BR with all of the button combos. Okay so yes the 3 shot pistol and glitchy BR were accidents but they were for the better IMO. These things created games that people could get almost infinitely better at.

Now Halo 3 is all about creating a game that Bungie originally envisioned when they went to make Halo:CE. Everything was balanced out and certain weapons like the AR and BR were given more versatile roles. The AR was designed for the new comers while the BR was designed for the more advanced players. This system in my opinion is not as good as just having one weapon that is the utility because in Halo 3's case it lowered the skill gap and reduced replayablity.

IF IN HALO REACH THE UTILITY WEAPON IS ONLY DESIGNED FOR THE NEWCOMERS AND THE ONLY SKILL BASED WEAPON IS THE SNIPER THEN WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE HALO. We will have created a game that is just as bad as the "Halo Killers" or "Halo Imitators."

So I ask,
Why the -blam!- do people want to get rid of the BR?

Now what I believe what would achieve the variety, increased gameplay speed, and balance that the OP wants is to go back to the classic Halo:CE melee system, maybe with a slight lunge. In Halo 3 every melee does the same amount of damage, in the other two games the damage depended on the movement of the player.

In Halo:CE different weapons had different melee boxes. It was easier to melee with weapons like the shotgun and AR because the point of the gun that the spartan was using to hit the other player with were larger, while with weapons like the pistol they were harder to hit a melee with because of the smaller striking point.

Another thing that the OP fails to mention is the fact that map design is something that could fix his apparent issue with the BR. Halo 1 and 2 had much smaller maps for 4v4 play where CQC were more important.

My God, I have a headache from thinking about all of the -blam!- up points that the OP made and his delusional solutions to these "problems."

I almost forgot...
Posted by: The EAKLE
When i say teh BR is effective at close range, i do not mean very close. I mean right outside the AR's range, in about the pistol's range.
WTF? REALLY? Think about that for more than the 10 seconds it took for you to pull it out of your ass....
Oh wait I know what you meant. You meant that because the BR is more effective that the AR in the hands of a semi-skilled individual that the BR will beat the AR at what is its intended range making the AR only useful when withing melee distance. Am I right?

Well if I am then removing the AR will fix this issue because then Halo will revert back to its original playstyle with a utility weapon and a bunch of specialized weapons...

I am sorry sir but what you want is just not what Halo is meant to be. As it is now people can play with out the BR through the wonders of forge and custom games, if you really want Halo with out this you can GTFO because you obviously want a different game, a game that isn't Halo.

flame on... ; )

  • 07.19.2009 12:09 AM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

The BR is definitely in need of some modification or it needs to be removed as a starting weapon.

There is never a need for other weapons as long as you start with this, which is just fine for the Hardcore playlist, but not in any other playlist.

Modification being, a single shot weakened burst when scoped. That's all I would need to be happy.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 12:17 AM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 12:15 AM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

How come I never get the sniper rifle?!
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My ROFLsniper goes POW!

Why is this not a top topic? These are all amazing ideas!! This should actually be in a game. Good job. =]

  • 07.19.2009 12:19 AM PDT

How come I never get the sniper rifle?!
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My ROFLsniper goes POW!

Maybe replace the SMA5B With the MA5K. I think those have scopes. =]

  • 07.19.2009 12:20 AM PDT

How come I never get the sniper rifle?!
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My ROFLsniper goes POW!

Directed at anti, that is not true. Those are not skill based weapons, sniper yes, but others no. I bet you are one of those people who think they are "MLG Pro". Shame

  • 07.19.2009 12:24 AM PDT
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Since Halo PC didn't have a mid-range weapon other than the pistol, most clans and servers did either rockets or snipers. My clan was rockets. People booted you if you used ARs.

  • 07.19.2009 12:27 AM PDT

I don't see why people think that the BR defines Halo. It is one weapon, I bet if they removed all of the weapons except the BR, lots would be pretty happy. Maybe for a month, but then what? You have a boring game with a single weapon. (oh wait, it's almost already like that... NVM)

Most everyone else (including me) wouldn't play, I like fun, and variety. I don't like one weapon dominating the rest.(IT DOES, if one weapon dominates, it should be toned down). Don't give me that "you need skill" and "you need mid-range" crap. Everyone could do fine with a mid range weapon that didn't kill so damn quickly.

THE BR IS A RIDICULOUS WEAPON. There, I said it.

*I am not returning to this thread*

  • 07.19.2009 12:35 AM PDT

You are lame...

Posted by: Lt Sartor
Directed at anti, that is not true. Those are not skill based weapons, sniper yes, but others no. I bet you are one of those people who think they are "MLG Pro". Shame
I am not going to lie about the fact that I enjoy playing MLG's game settings, but why should that make my point not valid. Last time I checked it was harder to hit someone with a BR in the head than to hit someone with the AR.

Also another thing people that give MLG a bad name are attracted to it because the lifestyle of the select few who are Pro is something that they do sit around and play video games all day, and to play to win. I don't even want to go on about MLG, even though I could write an entire page of posts about how wrong a lot of B.net is about the MLG community. I suggest to everyone that dislikes MLG to go to mlgpro.com and find out what their views are on video games.

Also nice triple post man...

  • 07.19.2009 12:41 AM PDT