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Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added
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Posted by: Sticky 6585
hell i want a single shot rifle like the br but like you said diffrent


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  • 07.19.2009 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: SUPER CBASS
I only have two points to make here:

1. If you dull down all of the mid to long range weapons then it makes the Sniper Rifle almost unstoppable. Picture yourself running through Valhallah with your dulled down midrange weapon or scoped AR at the ready when you spot a sniper sitting top center...Your only hope is to knock the sniper out of scope while you charge in. Unfortunately your weapon doesn't help very much so you get sniped and have to try again.

2. The Pistol and the BR made Halo: CE, H2, and H3 the games that we all know them to be. Could anyone imagine those games without those powerful weapons? I can. What I imagine is a world of no marksmanship and strategy where people blindly charge each other because of the ineffectiveness of their weapons. Who wants to play a game like that? If you answered yes to this question then you should quit thinking about this sort of thing (probably not meant for you) and leave all of the decision making to the people who have been making these wonderful games for almost 10 years now!! Thanks Bungie!!

That's it.


1. Aren't snipers meant to be extremely deadly weapons? I thought that's why we called them "power weapons." The issue i have is that these so called "power weapons" can be stopped by startign weapons such as the BR. Without the BR, snipers would be powerful at long range. They would still be weak to things such as needlers and bruteshots at mid range and all CQB weapons at close range.

2. Everyone keeps saying that the BR made the other games (which is true) and that if there was no mid ranged weapon Halo would not be like it is now (also true). That does not mean the other games could'nt have been any better. Also, we will not be left with no Mid ranged weapons. I have suggested multiple weapons that would fill that niche.

  • 07.19.2009 2:03 PM PDT

I love how even though you complain about the weapon...you seem to use it because it's your highest tool of destruction.

Seriously...Bungie made the game the way they did for a reason. GET OVER IT. What you're saying is like saying that mixed martial artists should not work out...because all they use is muscle then...that's not fair, they shouldn't be trying to improve themselves.

What skill does it take to use an assault rifle? Pull the trigger and aim. You can't really out strafe someone with an assault rifle.

What skill does it take to use a battle rifle? You have to lead your shot, adjust your aim for the enemies strafe (if present), and make sure you are at mid range or else you can rarely beat a sniper at long range, and close range an AR will almost always win...unless the user of the BR has host and can pull off the difficult 4 shot kill.

To say it ruined the game is completely wrong. Not only the MLG fanbase has grown as you have stated, but the game itself has grown.

The BR is versatile, but it is not the perfect weapon. I myself carry it primary most of the time because I try to remain in mid range combat. BUT I will use other weapons, if I know I am going to encounter a close range situation, I will pull out the assault rifle because I know it will defeat a battle rifle.

Also, if Bungie did remove the weapon, they would just replace it with an equal mid ranged weapon, because in order for a full range of weapons, there needs to be a mid ranged weapon. Or they would change the pistol or something of the sort to act like the pistol in the CE days.

Overall though, get your head out of your ass, if you've ever looked at these forums, there have been millions of threads like this before, guess what, they NEVER work, because Bungie has clearly determined that nothing needs changing. The game is a success, whiny people like you are what make the experience bad, so seriously shut up and adapt, cause nothings changing anytime soon.

  • 07.19.2009 2:07 PM PDT

You are lame...

Posted by: The EAKLE
2. Everyone keeps saying that the BR made the other games (which is true) and that if there was no mid ranged weapon Halo would not be like it is now (also true). That does not mean the other games couldn't have been any better. Also, we will not be left with no Mid ranged weapons. I have suggested multiple weapons that would fill that niche.

Halo:CE's multiplayer was the most perfect MP until Shadowrun came out, I don't think it could have been improved

Shadowrun=CE<Halo 2<Halo 3<Gears 1<Killzone 2<COD(all)<Gears 2

^^^^^^^ just in case you didn't know

  • 07.19.2009 2:19 PM PDT
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Well it's either having a BR or getting sniped every time the opposing team gets the sniper first since you have no gap closer (the BR).

IT'S a good weapon. Trust me, Halo 3 has done the best job in balancing weapons so far. In Halo : CE you had a pistol that was a THREE SHOT KILLER. Halo 2 you had the BR that was able to shot faster, more accurate, and was usable with button glitches (BxB, BxR, RRxYY). Now in Halo 3 it is still the weapon of choice but only because the AR is a SHORT RANGE WEAPON. No on likes to spray bullets hoping it will hit a target 20 feet away. You need something more reliable. This isn't Street Fighter. This game is not intended to ONLY be a close quarters combat game.



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  • 07.19.2009 2:23 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

The AR takes little to no skill to use, as most everyone just runs forward while spraying and waits to get in melee range. The BR doesn't need to be removed or altered. Except for making the entire game hitscan, I don't see what needs to be changed.

The AR had its chance to shine, and its chance to shine truly has proven that it's mainly a noob weapon, albeit useful in certain situations.

  • 07.19.2009 2:26 PM PDT
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I be trippin'.

If the BR is taken out of Reach. I will buy the game twice because of its awesomeness.

  • 07.19.2009 2:28 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

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I love how even though you complain about the weapon...you seem to use it because it's your highest tool of destruction. I love how this thread is not about whether i like the BR or not (i already stated i do like the BR) but people keep brining it up. It would be rather stupid if i made a thread like this if i had absolutely no BR experience. On the contrary, i use it a lot and i know how it functions.

Seriously...Bungie made the game the way they did for a reason. GET OVER IT. What you're saying is like saying that mixed martial artists should not work out...because all they use is muscle then...that's not fair, they shouldn't be trying to improve themselves. No, im not saying that. It's more like im saying it's like watching an MMA fight where everyone only uses move again and again and again.

What skill does it take to use a battle rifle? You have to lead your shot, adjust your aim for the enemies strafe (if present), and make sure you are at mid range or else you can rarely beat a sniper at long range, and close range an AR will almost always win...unless the user of the BR has host and can pull off the difficult 4 shot kill.

To say it ruined the game is completely wrong. Not only the MLG fanbase has grown as you have stated, but the game itself has grown.

The BR is versatile, but it is not the perfect weapon. I myself carry it primary most of the time because I try to remain in mid range combat. BUT I will use other weapons, if I know I am going to encounter a close range situation, I will pull out the assault rifle because I know it will defeat a battle rifle.
That was entirely biased. You put way more effort into listing BR skills than AR skills. I alredy said this is not about skill, but i'll humor you.

With an AR you have to get within range and aim for the body. Strafing is possible with an AR, and the person you are fighting may be strafign as well. Also to get any use out of an AR at range you have to fire in bursts.

Also, if Bungie did remove the weapon, they would just replace it with an equal mid ranged weapon, because in order for a full range of weapons, there needs to be a mid ranged weapon. Or they would change the pistol or something of the sort to act like the pistol in the CE days. While the choice is entirely Bungie's, it would be stupid to replace a weapon with another that does the exact same thing.

Overall though, get your head out of your ass, if you've ever looked at these forums, there have been millions of threads like this before, guess what, they NEVER work, because Bungie has clearly determined that nothing needs changing. The game is a success, whiny people like you are what make the experience bad, so seriously shut up and adapt, cause nothings changing anytime soon. Dont be a jerk. I look at these forums rather often and i havent seen any "Alter/Replace the BR" threads that have the exact same point as mine. Can you show me one? What about five? What about the thousands you claim there are? Dont exaggerate. I am not whining, i am making a suggestion. I am not ruining the game either, as nothing i have posted has effected the game you are playing.

  • 07.19.2009 2:28 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach
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you honestly think that the BR slaughters the AR? okay get in a close range battle between AR and BR the AR is gonna win 95 percent of the time i guarantee it.

  • 07.19.2009 2:30 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

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Posted by: Icon on BNet
Well it's either having a BR or getting sniped every time the opposing team gets the sniper first since you have no gap closer (the BR).
I replied to a post just like this a few replies up. Please read it.

IT'S a good weapon. Trust me, Halo 3 has done the best job in balancing weapons so far. In Halo : CE you had a pistol that was a THREE SHOT KILLER. Halo 2 you had the BR that was able to shot faster, more accurate, and was usable with button glitches (BxB, BxR, RRxYY). Now in Halo 3 it is still the weapon of choice but only because the AR is a SHORT RANGE WEAPON. No on likes to spray bullets hoping it will hit a target 20 feet away. You need something more reliable. This isn't Street Fighter. This game is not intended to ONLY be a close quarters combat game.Like i said many times earlier, it doesn't have to be all CQC based. I suggested multiple weapons that would fit well in the BR's place.


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  • 07.19.2009 2:34 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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Posted by: The EAKLE
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Ok, obviously as someone stated before the BR will not appear in Reach, because major plot holes, and heh who wants that? *looks at Halo Wars*

Now, you said the BR is an overpowered weapon that "pros" worship (not your exact words), but look at it from our point of view (when I say our I mean the MLG community) we despise it when we get killed by a rushing AR player. We hate it that we get tbagged because we couldn't four-shot a rusher (mind you four-shots don't exist in regular settings). I'm not saying we hate the Assault Rifle, I for one love it. It brings back memories of playing Halo: CE with friends, it's just we prefer the battle rifle over the assault rifle because it's a lot more.. Helpful.

Scenario time: Standoff, CTF. They are pulling the flag, and they are heading to laser. You respawned your camo, but don't have an AR, you go over to laser to stop the flag attempt, you AR one guy and melee him, your one shot and you try to stop the flag, he's already at his rockets and you try to AR him from laser. It won't kill him, unless you have godly grenades.

We "pros" want to play the game for fun, but we also want to win. Halo 3 is a competitive game (no, not hardcore like MLG) any game with conflict in it, and a desire to beat the other team/players is competitive. Once again, no I am not saying I hate the AR, the BR is very helpful in other environments. It isn't MLG's fault for making the BR more popular, if anything they helped the game become more popular. I'm not saying everyone would not have bought Halo 2 if it weren't for MLG, they ujst helped Halo.
By looking at the playlist population, "pros" and Hardcore players are the smalles percentage of the community. Sociall Slayer at most times contains nearly half of the online players. Most people just play to play. Even if all teh MLG community dropped out of Halo, the game would only be down a few thousand players.

You also have to see it form our (the people who just play) point of view. The BR is used non-stop. There are multiple playlists with only BR starts, and every other has BR starts in it. Anyone who prefers another weapon rarely gets to use it, on top of all the issues i listed with the BR in my OP.


How do you rarely get to use other weapons? You spawn with an AR in all slayer gametypes. If you just play to play it shouldn't matter if your getting -blam!- on. There are plenty of other weapons on maps than the BR.

Also, just because people play social doesn't mean they don't like the BR. People who play just to play probably still want a balanced game to play.

If you were to consider the hardcore community the people in the hardcore playlists its a little less than 20% of the population. Every social playlist aside from social slayer does worse than every ranked and hardcore playlist generally. Sometimes squadbattle does worse than SBTB, but that's it. The bad thing about considering player demographics via playlist populations is that you don't know how many players are in custom games, you don't know what type of players have guests and are forced to play social, you don't know what type of players haven't bought the maps and can't play their favorite playlists, or are just messing around in a new or different playlist.

At peak hours there are around 9,000-10,000 people in the MLG playlist. Considering custom games are a huge part of MLG, especially because that's all that could be played since Halo CE up until April 2008, and that not everyone can be on at the same time, there are more players than you think. This can be said of any playlist though to be honest.

Although, I don't think its a good idea to speak for an entire group, especially one as large as you are claiming to represent. Your saying most people play just to play and right now you are speaking for a majority of the Halo population then? I doubt there isn't a large group of people who play just to play that disagree with you.

  • 07.19.2009 2:40 PM PDT

You don't kick a man when they're down, so don't teabag me when I'm dead!

It's a nice thought, and perfectly reasonable, but did Bungie actually take any of the Halo 2 fans' suggestions for Halo 3?

You are right about the BR though, but if it wasn't everywhere the carbine would be. You need to look at that more too IMO. Perhaps make the reloads longer?

  • 07.19.2009 2:48 PM PDT

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How do you rarely get to use other weapons? You spawn with an AR in all slayer gametypes. If you just play to play it shouldn't matter if your getting -blam!- on. There are plenty of other weapons on maps than the BR. Lets say TS BRs on the Pit comes up. You decide to be spontanious and whip out an AR. You leave your base and rush Rockets. A member of the other team is also rushing rockets, but he has a BR. You will be in his range long before he is in yours.

Of course, you could blame that on bad tactics. A better plan would be to hang back near the bases. Wait for someone to jump down then catch them by surprise. Basically, camping.

The AR is only effective in close ranges. You either have to be a beaast with the AR, camp, or get into CQC areas, such as halls, small rooms, and around corners. All those areas are areas that can easily be nade spammed, so the AR is not all that effective when all other players have BRs. Same goes for the spikers, SMGs, shotgun, and sword.

I was not trying to speak for all Socail players. I have no idea why they play or how they feel about the BR. That was just my was merely speaking for myself, though i worded it poorly.

  • 07.19.2009 2:56 PM PDT

ANYONE who agrees with this thread is a complete MORON. most of you kids, yes, i called you KIDS because most of you cant even buy the halo games legally and all your opinions are FLAWED. Whoever created this thread, half your points CONFLICT with each other. you sir, are a moron. tell me, ARE THERE SEMI AUTOMATIC MEDIUM RANGE WEAPONS in real life? are you telling me that if im playing paintball, someone with a burst shot weapon has an advantage over me if i have a automatic weapon? HELL NO.

where were you in halo 2 when everyone loved the BR except the people who didnt know how to use it? OH WAIT. thats you in halo 3! just because 99% of the people who use the br as a main weapon over what you use are better than you, doesn't mean a gun needs to be REMOVED from the game.

guess what dumbass? the AR, when fired in bursts, is ALREADY MORE ACCURATE THAN A CONSTANT RATE OF FIRE. make some observations before you post incorrect statements.
OH NO, I SUCK AT HALO AND SINCE THAT KID HIT ME WITH A GRENADE AND HAS A BR, IM GOING TO RUN AT HIM WITH MY AR INSTEAD OF PLAYING TACTICAL, RUNNING TO GET A BETTER GUN, AND LETTING BE SHIELDS REGENERATE.

So did the Halo:CE pistol ruin Halo:CE? nope. it was freakin awesome. and if you notice, everyone who uses the pistol in h1 over the AR is better than you

everyone who used the br in halo 2 was better than you

everyone who uses the br in halo 3 IS STILL better than YOU.
this entire topic is a response to anger and jealousy. this rant im going through is a response to anger. because i LOVE the br and because i PRACTICED with it im GOOD with it and i can guarantee, i can STILL beat you without it. GUARANTEE.


ohkay, ohkay, ohkay. real facts:

Every bullet the AR shoots is MORE powerful than a bullet from the BR. If you must know
If you fire the AR in bursts, like a semi-automatic weapon, it is more accurate.
a well placed grenade and a carbine shot to the head is a kill.
a well placed grenade and a br shot to the head is a kill.
a well placed grenade and a halo 3 pistol shot to the head, IS A KILL.
The time it takes to kill with a br is litterally just MILLISECONDS faster than that of the carbine.
what balances those two weapons? The carbine has a longer range, and the hitscan time of that weapon is slightly faster.
so

CLOSE RANGE:
AR > BR
ANY DUELS > BR
Rockets > ALL

MID-Range:
SR=BR (if your a good sniper)
BR>Carbine ( if your a good shot)
AR>SR
Rockets> ALL

Long-Range:
SR>br
SR > CARBINE
SR/BeamRifle/Splazer > ALL

so.
if you noticed, they balance out slightly well in my OPINION.
assault rifles and other automatic weapons are meant for close range combat
semi automatic weapons in halo 3 are made for mid to long range combat
rockets kill close and mid range if you're not an idiot.

one last thing.





you are all D(_)/\/\B @ss3s

thank you:)

  • 07.19.2009 2:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: WhatThaSmurf
Posted by: SierraM187
1. Sorry, I haven't read any of the books yet besides TFoR.
2. Maybe they could give it to them for gameplay purposes.
3. :D He is my favorite character, ya know? :)

1) They are all awesome except The Flood IMO. They are all worth reading, but something about the way The Flood is written just didn't feel right.
2) That would be a horrible reason to include something that doesn't fit the timeline.
3) Johnson is amazing, but not enough for me to switch teams.



Your timeline point fails, because we all know bungie are happy to change things not in keeping with the chronology. Hey where'd my good pistol go?

To OP, orly?

  • 07.19.2009 2:57 PM PDT

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Dont be an ass. It's fine if you disagree with me, but there is no need to insult me and everyone who agrees with me.

  • 07.19.2009 3:01 PM PDT

You are lame...

Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR is only effective in close ranges. You either have to be a beaast with the AR, camp, or get into CQC areas, such as halls, small rooms, and around corners. All those areas are areas that can easily be nade spammed, so the AR is not all that effective when all other players have BRs. Same goes for the spikers, SMGs, shotgun, and sword.
You are exactly right. The AR is meant for close range, so are all the weapons you listed. So what are you trying to do with this thread? Remove the BR, which functions in the Halo 3 sandbox exactly how Bungie wants it too? I really don't see a legitimate argument to remove the BR in this thread, everything you have suggested will just decrease everyone's gameplay experience.

  • 07.19.2009 3:06 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

The biggest problem to me is how the AR, PR, etc. cannot get a kill unless you melee or use a grenade.


Your post is genius. Has been done before by other people (I am one of those people), but it is still genius.


And by the way, this is to the guy above me:
An assault rifle is a medium range weapon. Not an SMG.

Posted by: JHOX
If the BR is taken out of Reach. I will buy the game twice because of its awesomeness.

I second this.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 3:11 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 3:07 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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Posted by: Anti 007
Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR is only effective in close ranges. You either have to be a beaast with the AR, camp, or get into CQC areas, such as halls, small rooms, and around corners. All those areas are areas that can easily be nade spammed, so the AR is not all that effective when all other players have BRs. Same goes for the spikers, SMGs, shotgun, and sword.
You are exactly right. The AR is meant for close range, so are all the weapons you listed. So what are you trying to do with this thread? Remove the BR, which functions in the Halo 3 sandbox exactly how Bungie wants it too? I really don't see a legitimate argument to remove the BR in this thread, everything you have suggested will just decrease everyone's gameplay experience.
The reason to remove the BR is that it is too versatile. All te weapons i listed function only in close range, but the br can beat them from just out of their range, and almost any distance greater than that. A sniper functions effectively at long range, and is defeated by all other weapons at close range, but the BR beats it at close-mid range, and can still damage it at long range, although it may not be able to kill it.

The Battle Rifle is always useful, but every other weapon is useful in only one or two situations. Toning down teh BR -or completely removing it- could balance the use of weapons more. If the BR was shorter ranged, it would be easier for CQB weapons to get in range, and would make snipers more effective at long range. All weapons would be useful in different situatuions then.

  • 07.19.2009 3:13 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added
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here's a lot simpler solution:

1. Open your 360 disk tray
2. Put Halo 1 in tray
3. Close tray
4. Enjoy

  • 07.19.2009 3:16 PM PDT

You are lame...

Here is a thought to think about:

If the AR was never reintroduced in Halo 3 none of these arguments would be happening. Everyone would be happy because they don't know any different. Also this next statement I said before here

The reason the AR is in the Halo 3 sandbox is to ease new players into the multiplayer by giving them an easy to use weapon that has the ability to kill at mid-range, unlike the Halo 2 SMG. As players progress in skill they will learn that the BR is a better weapon to use to kill at mid-range, because it is harder to use and harder to master (this is because you have to aim at the person's head) it is what keeps players playing the game to get better.

  • 07.19.2009 3:17 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

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Shadowrun=CE>Halo 2>Cellfactor:PW>Red Faction:G>Halo 3>Gears 1>Killzone 2>COD(all)>Gears 2
Fixed. Your signs were backwords, and you forgot a few games that are out now.


Posted by: The EAKLE
What skill does it take to use a battle rifle? You have to lead your shot, adjust your aim for the enemies strafe (if present), and make sure you are at mid range or else you can rarely beat a sniper at long range, and close range an AR will almost always win...unless the user of the BR has host and can pull off the difficult 4 shot kill.

To say it ruined the game is completely wrong. Not only the MLG fanbase has grown as you have stated, but the game itself has grown.

The BR is versatile, but it is not the perfect weapon. I myself carry it primary most of the time because I try to remain in mid range combat. BUT I will use other weapons, if I know I am going to encounter a close range situation, I will pull out the assault rifle because I know it will defeat a battle rifle.
That was entirely biased. You put way more effort into listing BR skills than AR skills. I alredy said this is not about skill, but i'll humor you.

With an AR you have to get within range and aim for the body. Strafing is possible with an AR, and the person you are fighting may be strafign as well. Also to get any use out of an AR at range you have to fire in bursts.
Last I checked, common sense does not equal bias. Anybody that knows anything about video games and shooters will know that a weapon that functions with automatic fire and a fast RoF will require less skill and is easier to use than a weapon that functions with semi-auto fire and a slow RoF.

I'll assume that we are only talking about "within their effective ranges", because outside that range the limitations placed on the weapons' design controls the skill involved and not the skill of the user. But, within the limited range of the AR, it is easier to use than the BR is to use within its effective mid-range.

If you are talking about "outside their effective ranges", then the BR is easier against close-ranged weapons at mid-range and the AR is easier against ranged weapons at close-range.

This is quite a dumb topic, because the AR is obviously a much easier weapon for people to use, which is a reason why games have automatic weapons; for people who are not very good. But, they have specific ranges that they perform, as a weapon, good at, so let's keep it at that. A user's skill has nothing to do with weapon advantage, anyway.

Just one more thing. At close-range, the BR has no limitations, so if we look at the AR's effective range, a BR-duel at close-range is a much harder task to perform than an AR-duel at close-range. It really is common sense.

  • 07.19.2009 3:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Anti 007
Here is a thought to think about:

If the AR was never reintroduced in Halo 3 none of these arguments would be happening. Everyone would be happy because they don't know any different. Also this next statement I said before here

The reason the AR is in the Halo 3 sandbox is to ease new players into the multiplayer by giving them an easy to use weapon that has the ability to kill at mid-range, unlike the Halo 2 SMG. As players progress in skill they will learn that the BR is a better weapon to use to kill at mid-range, because it is harder to use and harder to master (this is because you have to aim at the person's head) it is what keeps players playing the game to get better.
I believe arguments like this would still come up. The AR is not the only weapon that is overshadowed by the BR. SMGs, PRs, Spikers, M6Gs, PPs, and any dual wield weapons i left out are effected in the exact same way.

  • 07.19.2009 3:21 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

You are lame...

Posted by: The EAKLE
The reason to remove the BR is that it is too versatile. All te weapons i listed function only in close range, but the br can beat them from just out of their range, and almost any distance greater than that. A sniper functions effectively at long range, and is defeated by all other weapons at close range, but the BR beats it at close-mid range, and can still damage it at long range, although it may not be able to kill it.

The Battle Rifle is always useful, but every other weapon is useful in only one or two situations. Toning down teh BR -or completely removing it- could balance the use of weapons more. If the BR was shorter ranged, it would be easier for CQB weapons to get in range, and would make snipers more effective at long range. All weapons would be useful in different situatuions then.
Seriously GTFO and go play Unreal Tournament then because in Halo the best way to play the game is to have a power weapon and a utility weapon. YOU CAN'T CARRY ALL THE -blam!- GUNS IN THE GAME AT ONCE SO HAVING A UTILITY WEAPON LIKE THE BR IS WHAT MAKES THE GAME HALO. Halo introduce the whole only being able to carry 2 weapons at once into the mainstream FPS, and do you know why it worked because the game had a utility weapon that you started with, the pistol (don't give me -blam!- about how the AR is the starting weapon because in most places I have LANed for CE they played on with the pistol as one of the starting weapons)!!!

  • 07.19.2009 3:24 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

Why can't you people understand that a game is not about using a specific weapon. It is about using a weapon that you like.

But that cannot happen unless the BR is fixed. You fanboys know that this is true, but don't want to admit it because you like your easy kills.

  • 07.19.2009 3:26 PM PDT