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Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: The EAKLE
The reason to remove the BR is that it is too versatile. All te weapons i listed function only in close range, but the br can beat them from just out of their range, and almost any distance greater than that. A sniper functions effectively at long range, and is defeated by all other weapons at close range, but the BR beats it at close-mid range, and can still damage it at long range, although it may not be able to kill it.

The Battle Rifle is always useful, but every other weapon is useful in only one or two situations. Toning down teh BR -or completely removing it- could balance the use of weapons more. If the BR was shorter ranged, it would be easier for CQB weapons to get in range, and would make snipers more effective at long range. All weapons would be useful in different situatuions then.
Seriously GTFO and go play Unreal Tournament then because in Halo the best way to play the game is to have a power weapon and a utility weapon. YOU CAN'T CARRY ALL THE -blam!- GUNS IN THE GAME AT ONCE SO HAVING A UTILITY WEAPON LIKE THE BR IS WHAT MAKES THE GAME HALO. Halo introduce the whole only being able to carry 2 weapons at once into the mainstream FPS, and do you know why it worked because the game had a utility weapon that you started with, the pistol (don't give me -blam!- about how the AR is the starting weapon because in most places I have LANed for CE they played on with the pistol as one of the starting weapons)!!!
This is the last time i am replying to you. If you cannot somehow contribute to the discussion of how this could effect gameplay please dont post. This is not about other games so dont bring them up. Also, you effectively listed exactly why i dont like the BR. Because of it, you no longer have to go over which weapons are most strategic to carry. The BR works at almost any range, so you dont need another weapon.

  • 07.19.2009 3:29 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
Why can't you people understand that a game is not about using a specific weapon. It is about using a weapon that you like.

But that cannot happen unless the BR is fixed. You fanboys know that this is true, but don't want to admit it because you like your easy kills.
Exactly. All weapons are useful and you should be able to use what you want. But because the BR is so effective it is a better choice then most weapons.

  • 07.19.2009 3:31 PM PDT

The BR is sex with a scope. This post obviously fails on every imaginable level.

  • 07.19.2009 3:40 PM PDT
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I don't see the need for a utility weapon. No weapon should be usable in all conditions. You need to use all weapons.

  • 07.19.2009 3:47 PM PDT

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No offense, I mean you took quite a while thinking this all out and posting it, but some of the points you make are some of the dumbest things I've ever heard...

BR's DO NOT promote camping, people DO NOT resort to RLs, Snipers, and other Power Weapons (PWs) because the "BR is too powerful!" LOL! ...And the Halo 1 pistol being fine compared to the BR because it wasn't a starting weapon. --That's all I did playing H1's MP, I always played Slayer Pro, Pistol/AR starts...

What did it do? It promoted quick refexes, fast-paced gameplay, and skill. You could kill someone with a pistol in HALF the time you can kill someone now with a BR.

And to say the BR is a "design flaw" in Halo 3?! Gimme a break! As a starting weapon, what does it do? Promotes faster gameplay, gives you a FAIR CHANCE against power weapons such as the Sniper, say if you get a below average spawn... It takes a much longer time to kill someone with a BR than the original H1 Pistol (That game was fine BTW, a great, well balanced, MP shooter, pistol starts worked great) and you say that nothing was wrong with the H1 pistol and there's EVERYTHING wrong with the BR?

Also, Halo is a game where teams must work for "Map Control" to win a match. Controlling a map means, controlling the "Power Weapons." It has NOTHING to do with BRs... LOL. Getting a Sniper or RL gives one team an advantage, so both teams RUSH to get it first to pick up easy kills and gain a lead... The BR again is NOT a problem, as a starting weapon... It actually gives you more of a chance against these weapons to kill the player with the PW, and gain possession of it for YOUR team, helping you establish more control over the game than you had previously if that makes sense... Now YOU have an advantage that the other team has to work a little harder to get. See?

The BR if anything as a starting weapon, promotes fast, skill-based gameplay, but at the same time gives you a fair chance against PWs. An AR at close range, EASILY will take out a BR user, or shotgun or sword, or anything. The BR isn't a problem whatsoever... It just sounds like you don't fully understand the way Halo is played - no offense.

I can elaborate on some of my points if needed...



  • 07.19.2009 3:47 PM PDT

You are lame...

Posted by: The EAKLE
This is the last time i am replying to you.* If you cannot somehow contribute to the discussion of how this could effect gameplay please dont post.** This is not about other games so dont bring them up.** Also, you effectively listed exactly why i dont like the BR.*** Because of it, you no longer have to go over which weapons are most strategic to carry.**** The BR works at almost any range, so you dont need another weapon.*****


**This is funny to me because even though I have completely insulted your ideas sometimes I have always said how they will negatively impact the gameplay, stop crying about it, I think you ideas suck. I am entitled to my opinion. Look for my massive post here read it. edit: I suck at linking

****Look I brought up Unreal Tournament because I think it is a game that you would enjoy, because the game has a system were your favorite weapon is the one that you can use without being completely destroyed by a utility weapon, because there aren't any in UT.

***It is nice to know that you dislike the BR for making Halo's two weapon system work.

****The weapon that you have besides the BR is what you should think about really, there are so many options. When you see a opportunity to use these weapons when the BR is out matched by them go for it.

*****You are right it works at all ranges but it is always beat by something at any range. Even at midrange the carbine can actually kill faster (not by much mind you but still).

Also:

1. I am ready to play nice now, I won't be hypercritical of anything you say from here on out.

2. I believe that increasing the BR's effectiveness would increase gameplay speed because of the ability to take back key positions of a map without having to wait for the next power weapon to spawn. Now this would only work if your teamwork is flawless and everyone individual skills are above par. This also has the effect of increasing the skill gap, which increases replayability.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 5:26 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 3:50 PM PDT

To anyone who choose to flame the OP, and the supporters, please stop. You are shaming the Bungie community. The OP is bringing up valid points, and your only being ridiculous by insulting rather than arguing.

With that said, I think the BR (or some equal replacement) should be included in Halo: Reach, (surprise coming from the General Grade 2). No, the AR is a very effective weapon, and with all the other dual-weildable weapons, the BR is basically crushed. So many Overkills have been ruined by an AR rusher. The BR is a versatile weapon, but come on everyone else who despises the BR has so many other weapons to choose from. It is difficult using the BR, yes it is. Not everyone picks up a BR and gets a four-shot immediately after. The BR is not a major flaw, in fact it is a godsend; and you are confused sir, even though it AR range is 'smaller' than the BR it's bullets are holy. An AR rusher will most likely kill me if I'm backing up with the BR and tbag me because they got excited killing a 50.

To the Honorable/Noble/Legendary members who flame, you guys are shaming yourself. *flies to the MLG community*

  • 07.19.2009 3:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: The EAKLE
This is the last time i am replying to you. If you cannot somehow contribute to the discussion of how this could effect gameplay please dont post. This is not about other games so dont bring them up. Also, you effectively listed exactly why i dont like the BR. Because of it, you no longer have to go over which weapons are most strategic to carry. The BR works at almost any range, so you dont need another weapon.


So your saying that if your carrying just a BR and come across Sniper andRockets on the ground right next to each other your not going over in your head over what you should do? Where your teammates are? How much ammo is in each gun? Where the enemy is? Because these are all variables that I take into consideration within half a second of coming upon this situation. There is a teammate near...Pick one up and leave the other. There is only one sniper bullet all my team is dead and the enemy is pushing our side of the map...Pick up the snipe waste the bullet and pick the rockets up to prevent the other team from getting the power weapon while not putting myself at a disadvantage.


To the point I was going to origanally post...

Your completely counting out how a player uses positioning in the game. A person with a BR and is good with it can use it in almost any situation because they know what they are doing with it. The thing that seperates top players from good players is how they position themselves with the weapons they have. If you have an AR you shouldn't be pushing a person with a BR offensively if you are outside of the AR's range. Where you position yourself on the map determines (I'd say) about 75% of how good you are in halo 3. It doesn't matter how good your aim is if your in the wrong spot. Your going to die unless the person your playing against isn't smart enough to capitalize.

I can almost gaurantee you that if you give a pro (A real halo 3 pro such as Tsquared or Walshy) 1 week of practice with only an AR and grenades against your average player using a BR and grenades they would end up winning 95% of the time because...They would know the weapons limits and what they should be doing in every situation to be able to win.

Its not the weapon its how smart the player with the weapon is playing.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 4:08 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 3:54 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

Ironically enough, there is a thread on the MLG forums requesting the removal of the BR on Halo Reach.

  • 07.19.2009 3:55 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

You are lame...

There is also this thread on mlgpro.com

and I completely agree with Cpt_Rubber_Arms

EDIT: I looked around on mlgpro.com and didn't see this apparent thread about the removal of the BR could you please direct me to it?

[Edited on 07.19.2009 4:04 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 4:01 PM PDT

Huh.. That's odd, it was up before o_o

  • 07.19.2009 4:07 PM PDT

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A Battle Rifle by definition is a rifle with a larger, heavier bullet, intended for use at medium to longer ranges. Does the Halo Universe's battle rifle function best at medium to longer ranges?

YES

An Assault Rifle by definition is a rifle that uses a smaller, intermediate cartridge, with more power than a pistol or an SMG, but less than a traditional rifle or battle rifle. Shorter range and less effectiveness at longer ranges goes with the fact that the cartridge is smaller. Does the Halo Universe's Assault Rifle follow suit?

YES

The Battle rifle in a skilled players hands is a better weapon than the AR. Anyone can pick up and use an AR and get kills, however the BR takes some getting used to because of it's burst fire, spread at longer ranges, and lack thereof at shorter. A person rushing with an AR on someone with a BR is an easy kill because of the very fact that they are rushing. When you rush, you usually move in a straight line, jump up and down, etc we've all seen it before. This makes the kill easy for the BR because it is a headshot based weapon, and when something is moving in a straight line directly towards you, headshots are too easy. That's where tactics are confusing people that the BR is over powered.

As stated above, Battle Rifles were designed for longer ranges than Assault Rifles. The Assault Rifle should not have the same range as the Battle Rifle, because then we would just have a fully automatic Battle Rifle.

The BR just happens to be effective at close range as well as it's intended medium-long. Changing clip size, fire rate, etc doesn't fix that. It's not a problem that can be fixed. You could say add recoil, but I could say that you are a Spartan, recoil shouldn't be an issue. You could say it wasn't present in Halo CE, I could say it was present at the Battle of Harvest, it just wasn't in the Pillar of Autumn's armory. You could say make it single shot only, I could say that's what the Carbine is for. The only possible fix is to just reduce the amount of them on a map. Halo 3 has weapon balance near perfect, so don't blame the BR because some idiot just man cannoned up the middle of Valhalla with dual SMGs.

  • 07.19.2009 4:08 PM PDT

The op would be a commander grade 3 with a k/d under 1, saw that one coming

  • 07.19.2009 4:09 PM PDT

You are lame...

Posted by: Dattebayo
Huh.. That's odd, it was up before o_o
sure it was...

To the people ragging on the skill of the OP:

You guys are not accomplishing anything other than making youselves look like more of a d-bag than me, at least I make valid points about gameplay....

EDIT: ironic how the people above and below me rag on the OP and his Halo skills, please remind me how they are relevant to this discussion

[Edited on 07.19.2009 4:25 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 4:12 PM PDT
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AAAAAAAAAMEN!! i agree in soooo many ways the br is a weapon to help againts the power weapons. if u only had an AR u would never be able to take out a sniper EVER unless someone sucked with it.

i would love to see someone out br a shotgun at close range unless (like I've said before) they suck with it.

The object of the game is not to ue all the weapons it's to win the game at any cost.

the BR is not an Overpowered weapon it's a very helpful weapon.

just because u can't use the BR does not mean it should be taken out.

I've had an AR and stll beat someone who had a BR.

the br can only kill 3 people at most before u have to reload (if u 4shot them) which the AR can kill the same amount at close range. only a little faster.

ok and with the BR people who are in BR battles can get out BR'd not including if other people shoot them as well.

  • 07.19.2009 4:16 PM PDT
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Your a -blam!- dumbass. If you want an automatic gun that takes no skill, play Call of Duty. Seriously. Don't try to ruin a game just because you blow at it. kys.

  • 07.19.2009 4:34 PM PDT

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Your a -blam!- dumbass. If you want an automatic gun that takes no skill, play Call of Duty. Seriously. Don't try to ruin a game just because you blow at it. kys.


Your being an idiot doing that, the MLG community (or at least the majority) considers the BNet community idiotic, childish kids who suck at Halo, your not helping the stereotype. He isn't going to ruin the game, because most likely Bungie won't implement the idea, and if they do they will compromise at least, and anyways removing the BR won't 'ruin' the game, it'll only make it NOT Halo 3.

  • 07.19.2009 4:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: The EAKLE

When i say teh BR is effective at close range, i do not mean very close. I mean right outside the AR's range, in about the pistol's range.

(Medium range, which is what it was developed for.)

BRs are a major flaw in Halo 3's design. It is a starting weapon that literally anyone can kill with from pretty far distances. Because of it's range and accuracy, it makes all dual wieldable weapons and ARs almost entirely useless. Because it out ranges power weapons like swords and shotguns, the only effective way to use them is camp. Thus, the BR promotes camping.

( So the weapon that was created and used in mid range combat promotes camping because people get shot by it? If you play guardian, a shotgun is much more dominate than a br. Maybe you shouldn't run in a straight line.)

People claim that the BR is a needed weapon. That is flat out wrong. Halo: Combat Evolved was a fantastic game and it had no BR. It is often said that flag games become annoying with ARs because you cant kill the carrier from a distance, but none of these claims were made in Halo Combat Evolved because we didnt know of an unbalanced starting weapon, besides the pistol. We did just fine with our ARs up until Halo 2.

(Except that the pistol was used in the way that a BR is used now.)

While CE's M6D was also a mid ranged headshot based weapon, it was used entirely different. It was not a starting weapon in standard slayer, and they were not placed around every corner as the BR now is. In standard slayer the M6D played more like a power weapon then a starting weapon.

(The pistol was used as a starting weapon in some cases, and it was quite readily availible. ever played Blackout? 2 BRs. Guardian? 1 BR. They aren't littered around the map like rocks.)

In Halo 2, the AR was removed for the SMG, and the Battle Rifle was added. Because the SMGs were dual wieldable and functioned different from an AR, it seemed to be an entire different weapon instead of a new Assault Rifle. With the AR out of the way the BR had a chance at being the new main weapon. It did a decent job because we could not see it's devastating onslaught of other weapons compared to the AR functioning well with them.

(The SMG wasn't supposed to be a new AR, it was supposed to be a DW-able sarting weapon. This unfortunately reduced melee and grenades usage, so they switched to a BR start.)

With Halo 2 came BR's introduction to MLG. Without the Assault Rifle, the only main weapon to have was the BR, so it became MLG's main weapon. Halo 2 quickly became incredibly popular, and the BR came with it.

Now in Halo 3 MLG has a giant fanbase, and many believe the BR to be the "PRO" weapon over the Asault Rifle, when the truth is the AR never had a chance to shine. The AR returned from Halo CE, but with less ammo. The BR came back with a slight spread. The now weakened AR was slaughtered by the BR in almost every battle, leading people to believe that the AR was bad, instead of the truth that the BR is greatly overpowered. The BR is a favorite of many players because they live under the stereotype that it means they are "good" or "pro", when really it is an easy way to rack up kills.

(If you are decent, at close range an AR will beat a BR. Maybe some tactics should be used, Instead of straight rushing. As well, MLG does not ever say anything about a BR being a pro or godly weapon. It is only a balanced starting weapon that allows you to do damage off spawn, without searching for a gun to use during the game.)


From looking at nearly anyone's service record you can see the BR as the Tool of Destruction. Why is this? Because if anyone comes up with a close range weapon they are killed before they get the chance to fight. Everyone get's kills with the Battle Rifle because they can. Some great AR user can try to attack, but will get mowed down by a BR "noob" in almost any situation. The only way to counter the BR is to get close. But the BR is still powerful at that range. Three quick bursts then a melee put's the opposing player down. Even though the AR is meant for close range it often ends up "trading" with the BR. Because of this the only logical thing to do is get a more powerful weapon than the BR.

(You can shoot your 6 shots and beatdown before a BR can shoot it's 9 shots in it's 3 round burst. Once again, use tactics when facing a BR with an AR, if you are in the correct range, the BR user will be felled.)

Your weapon choices are now Rocket, Sniper, Sword or Shotgun. People claim Rocket's are for noobs because anyone can kill with them and shotguns and swords are for noobs because of camping. The truth is that players turn to these weapons because the BR practically forces them to. Basically, if you are not good with a BR or sniper you are killed a lot or considered a noob.

(Where are rockets and snipers considered nooby weapons? It's the way that these are used that may allow them to be stereotyped. If you camp green box with rockets, ya you may be a noob. But if you push with your team, and use rockets on the prowl, it is not exactly easy to kill an opponent in 1 rocket while strafing, being strafed, being shot at, and still responding to callouts and strategies.

Obviously, the BR is the root of all Halo's evil. I have shown you already that it promotes camping and "noob" weapons, but that's not all. When players are not good at the game what do they do? They dont care about winning and jut play for fun. How can you play for fun if a starting weapon dominates everything else? Just screw around. Drive off cliffs, speed around on a mongoose, try to get kills with a pistol, you name it. Any time someone is not trying to play Halo the "right" way, they are a by product of the BR. Any time you see someone killed repeatedly and hae an awful K/D ratio, think to yourself "What weapon was used to kill them so many times?" The BR is likely the answer.

(Wanna screw around? Try a custom game. Drive a 'goose? Try a racing game. I play halo to kill online opponents. Not dick around in matchmaking, ruining the game for everyone.)

So, the BR has reduced Halo to Brs, snipers, and "noobs." Is that a Halo we want to play? I dont think so. But what can fix this terrible world the BR has made? The answer seems obvious. The AR. It is the perfect starting weapon. It get's the job done without being the main weapon of the game. By scrapping both the BR and the MA5C (Our current Assault Rifle), then bringing back the MA5B (CE's Assault Rifle) Halo would be restored to it's former glory.

But we need a new mid-long range weapon, right? I mean, the BR did have a purpose. . .

Wrong. The BR's range was one of the main reasons it destroyed our beloved game. Another mid-long range weapon would likey also ruin it. To fill the gap left in all the "pro" players' hearts, we do need a new mid range balanced weapon. A new and improved pistol will do just fine.

(So off spawn, if a sniper is shooting you, what is there to do? A Magnum shoots all from top mid to camo on Guardian. Good luck trying to hit a sniper standing at turret while you are on Pelican on Valhalla.)

Take the Halo 3 pistol and slightly improve it. "But that pistol is bad!" Not true. The weapon is good if you know how to use it. Get in range, aim for the head, and fire while strafing away from the enemy's fire. Sounds a lot like a BR right? The only difference is that the pistol did not ruin Halo. The only issue with the pistol is that it's magazine does not hold enough ammo for multiple kills. By increasing the pistols clip size and adding a 1.5X scope, we wouls have a great new mid ranged weapon.

(Why was the Halo pistol nerfed from CE? Seems like an increased clip and scope would return the game to that stage. Bam, you created a new BR. Thanks.)

With our MA5Bs and new pistols set to starting weapons, Halo would return to the once great game it was meant to be.

(Otherwise known as Halo 1)



[Edited on 07.19.2009 4:53 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 4:50 PM PDT

Your argument is absolutely ridiculous. You want it removed from the game because it is a good mid to long-range weapon!? You complain that it outpaces the AR, but you fail to realize that an AR beats the BR every single time in close-quarters combat. Maybe if you stopped rushing people who had a BR then you would stop complaining.

  • 07.19.2009 5:24 PM PDT

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(The pistol was used as a starting weapon in some cases, and it was quite readily availible. ever played Blackout? 2 BRs. Guardian? 1 BR. They aren't littered around the map like rocks.)

Wow. Two whole maps have less then three BRs. How many more can you list?

(So off spawn, if a sniper is shooting you, what is there to do? A Magnum shoots all from top mid to camo on Guardian. Good luck trying to hit a sniper standing at turret while you are on Pelican on Valhalla.) Yes, you woulld need luck if you want to shoot through the massive hill in your way. Also, you dont spawn at top mid in guardian or on top of the pelican at Valhalla. Ever.

(Wanna screw around? Try a custom game. Drive a 'goose? Try a racing game. I play halo to kill online opponents. Not dick around in matchmaking, ruining the game for everyone.)
So your way is the only way to play? I dont think so.

(The SMG wasn't supposed to be a new AR, it was supposed to be a DW-able sarting weapon. This unfortunately reduced melee and grenades usage, so they switched to a BR start.) The SMG replaced the AR as the UNSC's automatic weapon. That seems like a new AR to me, even though it was a dual wield weapon.

( So the weapon that was created and used in mid range combat promotes camping because people get shot by it? If you play guardian, a shotgun is much more dominate than a br. Maybe you shouldn't run in a straight line.)Guardian is one of the few maps where a shotgun is more dominate than a BR. On most maps, becuase of the BRs range and how often it is used, a shotgun can not be used for much more than camping.

  • 07.19.2009 5:38 PM PDT

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Your argument is absolutely ridiculous. You want it removed from the game because it is a good mid to long-range weapon!? You complain that it outpaces the AR, but you fail to realize that an AR beats the BR every single time in close-quarters combat. Maybe if you stopped rushing people who had a BR then you would stop complaining.
Maybe if you read this whole thread you wouldnt make posts like this. Yes, an AR beats a BR at close range. I meant that just out of the ARs range -still a rather short range- the BR will usually win.

  • 07.19.2009 5:39 PM PDT

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why would you even think of this

  • 07.19.2009 5:49 PM PDT

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Bravo, Mr. EAKLE.

I've played a fair bit of Halo: CE multiplayer at LANs and on the PC, and I agree that there is an almost perfect balance in the game's sandbox.

The M6D pistol was a fantastic mid-range weapon. If you fired each shot individually, the accuracy was maintained, but with automatic fire it rapidly decayed. I think that if this weapon was introduced to Reach (and the BR was removed), then the pistol's automatic fire function should be faster than firing each shot individually, but still have the decaying accuracy. In this way, it wouldn't dominate as much as the BR at long range, but be very effective at medium range.

Meanwhile, the Assault Rifle has huge potential. I think that it should have a 3 bullet headshot capability, and that it's accuracy would be MUCH better if fired in short bursts, almost equivalent to the BR's bursts. Firing the AR on fully automatic would be more effective than the SMG, yet dual-wielded SMGs (and other combos) would beat the AR at close-range.

With those changes, I think there would be excellent balance between the starting weapons and weapons on the map, and it would also promote dual-wielding as well.

  • 07.19.2009 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: oatmeal1995
why would you even think of this
Why would you send me a message about me being bad if i have a better K/D, and i said that it is not about skill?

  • 07.19.2009 5:53 PM PDT

Multiplayer Gameplay
Halo:CE------------------Reach--------Halo2-----------------H alo3
Campaign Experience
Reach----Halo:CE-----------------ODST-----Halo2---------Halo3

Glad that Halo 3 garbage is dead, thanks to Reach.
Unfreakenbelievable!!

Posted by: The EAKLE
Maybe if you read this whole thread you wouldnt make posts like this.
Quit with this repetitive comment on "you should read this whole thread" BS, please. Nobody is going to read that many pages when they are new to the thread; all they get is the OP.

Yes, an AR beats a BR at close range. I meant that just out of the ARs range -still a rather short range- the BR will usually win.You could've just quoted yourself instead repeat the same thing over and over again.

If you are "just out of the ARs range", then you are out of the AR's effectve range. Get over it. It's called range advantage. Your problem then lies with the range of the AR. Leave the BR alone, or actually improve it. If you want "close-ranged" weapons to be used more, then whine that the maps are too open or something. Other than that, it is the range of close-range that is the problem for you; not the mid-range. Either increase the range of certain weapons (like increase bullet speed and tighten up the error of bullet trajectory) or design all the maps around close-quarters (which would be quite lame I must add).

There is only one point you have made that makes any bit of sense, and that is the weapon layout of the mid-ranged weapons. There is no reason why there should be so many mid-ranged weapons on a map...they increase the frustration in the already unbalanced gametype that is AR starts and they give too much ammo for BR starts.

  • 07.19.2009 5:55 PM PDT