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Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

[/quote]Maybe if you read this whole thread you wouldnt make posts like this. Yes, an AR beats a BR at close range. I meant that just out of the ARs range -still a rather short range- the BR will usually win.[/quote]

That would be because the BR is designed for mid - long range combat. Clearly you love your AR , but unfortunately it is meant to be used for short range combat. The BR is NOT overpowered, and has been nerfed substantially since halo 2. Spread is random and not nearly as tight and shots never register correctly on xbl. The BR already has been nerfed and does not need to be any weaker.

The AR is the most effective it has been in Halo history so stop complaining. The pistol in Halo 1 was a 3 shot kill and was more accurate than the H3 br. The halo 2 br was hitscan, could instantly reload, and had a much tighter reticule with almost perfect accuracy. Combined with button glitches, it was unstoppable. The AR (or smg in h2) didn't stand a chance against these weapons.

The AR in Halo 3 is the must useful it has ever been and the BR is extremely nerfed. You should just learn to play with the weapons as they were meant to be used. If you actually learned how to use the BR correctly then you would see that each weapon has its place, and that H3 is the most balanced Halo game to date regarding weapons.

[Edited on 07.19.2009 5:59 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2009 5:57 PM PDT

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Quit with this repetitive comment on "you should read this whole thread" BS, please. Nobody is going to read that many pages when they are new to the thread; all they get is the OP. I'll quit repetitive comments when people stop repeating things with the same answer. If they are going to post without reading the arguments, they will likely post stuff that has already been discussed. Im not going to get into a major discussion about my "BR is better at close range" comment again, or why the BR is the same as the M6D but different. We have been over this, we dont need ot go over it again.

Yes, the BR has an advantage over the AR. It should, but it has a massive advantage over the AR where the AR onnly gets an advantage at close range. On top of that, the BR has an advantage over long range weapons because it has a larger clip and faster rate of fire then snipers and rockets.

  • 07.19.2009 6:02 PM PDT

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[/quote]Maybe if you read this whole thread you wouldnt make posts like this. Yes, an AR beats a BR at close range. I meant that just out of the ARs range -still a rather short range- the BR will usually win.[/quote]

That would be because the BR is designed for mid - long range combat. Clearly you love your AR , but unfortunately it is meant to be used for short range combat. The BR is NOT overpowered, and has been nerfed substantially since halo 2. Spread is random and not nearly as tight and shots never register correctly on xbl. The BR already has been nerfed and does not need to be any weaker.

The AR is the most effective it has been in Halo history so stop complaining. The pistol in Halo 1 was a 3 shot kill and was more accurate than the H3 br. The halo 2 br was hitscan, could instantly reload, and had a much tighter reticule with almost perfect accuracy. Combined with button glitches, it was unstoppable. The AR (or smg in h2) didn't stand a chance against these weapons.

The AR in Halo 3 is the must useful it has ever been and the BR is extremely nerfed. You should just learn to play with the weapons as they were meant to be used. If you actually learned how to use the BR correctly then you would see that each weapon has its place, and that H3 is the most balanced Halo game to date regarding weapons.
How is it anymore effective than it used to be? Also, if it is more effective than the CE AR, it is still overpowered by a BR in nearly every situation.

  • 07.19.2009 6:05 PM PDT

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And once they read this, they will be a little worse off than before.

They need to make Halo: Reach focus on logical weapons. My favorite thing is the semi auto BR though, as long as it doesn't have a speed cap.

I think one main flaw is that guns in Halo have very little recoil, making them too reliable as distance increases. If the BR was semi auto, had wobble (Minor wobble [They are spartans after all], and had recoil (It can make a warthog strafe outside of the driver's control, yet it can't make a spartan lift the gun more than an inch after a shot)

Also, I think iron sights would be a good idea. (Maybe an AR would have an LCD screen or something [Heat sensing, distance marker, etc.])

Anyway, my dream halo is not CODish, but it will still take on the tactical side. I would prefer them make it to where run 'n spray is not the best tactic though.

  • 07.19.2009 6:10 PM PDT

Either you didn't read my post or you just ignored it. I'm assuming the latter since I was quite clear.

The AR is more effective than ever before because the BR is less effective than ever before. I don't know if I can be much clearer than that.

And once again, no, the AR is not overpowered by a BR in every situation. In close range (the range that an AR is meant to be used), it over powers a BR. In mid to long range, the BR usually wins.

DO NOT use the AR from long range and then complain that the BR is overpowered. You and I both know that would just be foolish as the AR was not meant to be used for that.

  • 07.19.2009 6:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: The EAKLE
Yes, the BR has an advantage over the AR. It should, but it has a massive advantage over the AR where the AR onnly gets an advantage at close range. On top of that, the BR has an advantage over long range weapons because it has a larger clip and faster rate of fire then snipers and rockets.
The AR is designed for close-range. Oh wait, I already said that. Sorry.

I would like to welcome you to why people prefer starting with a defendable weapon, whether it is the M6D, the BR, or even the M6G. It decreases the amount of this Rock, Paper, Scissors gameplay that you refer to. Halo 3 Default (as in AR starts) is weapon advantage and weapon advantage is Halo 3 Default.

And, the BR at long range? That is laughable. If the H3 BR beats a Sniper at long range, then the Sniper is an idiot and should change his tactics or weapon. On Valhalla, I can just sit somewhere while people struggle to put more than one bullet on me. It is extremely easy to Snipe with the current accuracy and power of the BR. But, you want it to be even worse? My only conclusion that I can make is you would like balance to be more dumbed down to help you use certain weapons, like the Sniper.

Would you be happy if the BR was a 5-shot instead? I already dominate AR users with the M6G Magnum since it has an apparent range and headshot advantage, so it won't change much. The main thing that will change is that the flow of the game will be super slow for an already slow game.

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  • 07.19.2009 6:13 PM PDT

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According to the fiction, the BR was introduced right before Halo 2. It was in development during CE. Since REACH takes place before CE, I would imagine that the BR will be absent. I imagine that it will be more like Halo CE than anything else. I think the AR was missing from Halo 2 because they were recalled for upgrades. I dunno, I'm probably totally off.

For the record, I like all weapons.

Just my 2 cents.

ETA: The AR is CE was a joke. The new AR is more powerful, that's why they lessened the MAGAZINE capacity. (clips go in your hair, Mag's go in your guns)

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  • 07.19.2009 6:14 PM PDT

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Either you didn't read my post or you just ignored it. I'm assuming the latter since I was quite clear.

The AR is more effective than ever before because the BR is less effective than ever before. I don't know if I can be much clearer than that.

And once again, no, the AR is not overpowered by a BR in every situation. In close range (the range that an AR is meant to be used), it over powers a BR. In mid to long range, the BR usually wins.

DO NOT use the AR from long range and then complain that the BR is overpowered. You and I both know that would just be foolish as the AR was not meant to be used for that.
The AR has a reduced clip, and the BR is less effective than it used to be, but still too effective. Sure, now teh BR cant kill the AR across maps like the M6D nearly could, but it still outranges it by a lot.

I said nearly every situation; The AR is overpowered by a BR in nearly every situation.

  • 07.19.2009 6:16 PM PDT

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Yes, the BR has an advantage over the AR. It should, but it has a massive advantage over the AR where the AR onnly gets an advantage at close range. On top of that, the BR has an advantage over long range weapons because it has a larger clip and faster rate of fire then snipers and rockets.
The AR is designed for close-range. Oh wait, I already said that. Sorry.

I would like to welcome you to why people prefer starting with a defendable weapon, whether it is the M6D, the BR, or even the M6G. It decreases the amount of this Rock, Paper, Scissors gameplay that you refer to. Halo 3 Default (as in AR starts) is weapon advantage and weapon advantage is Halo 3 Default.

And, the BR at long range? That is laughable. If the H3 BR beats a Sniper at long range, then the Sniper is an idiot and should change his tactics or weapon. On Valhalla, I can just sit somewhere while people struggle to put more than one bullet on me. It is extremely easy to Snipe with the current accuracy and power of the BR. But, you want it to be even worse? My only conclusion that I can make is you would like balance to be more dumbed down to help you use certain weapons, like the Sniper.

Would you be happy if the BR was a 5-shot instead? I already dominate AR users with the M6G Magnum since it has an apparent range and headshot advantage, so it won't change much. The main thing that will change is that the flow of the game will be super slow for an already slow game.
The "rock paper scissors" style of play being an issue is all opinion based. Some like it, others dont.

I never said it is overpowered at long range, i said it overpowers long ranged weapons. If a BR and a sniper end up in each other's range, the BR has a greater chance of winning. If they are both half decent, they would strafe. The sniper has to land either a headshot or two body shots with a much smaller reticule. If it misses four shots, it has to reload. The BR has a larger reticule, has to land either three body shots and a head shot or five body shots. It can fire twelve times before needing to reload.

A 5-shot BR would just slow gameplay. Maaking it less effective at long range, and maybe even slightly decreasing the rate of fire, would make it effective only as a mid range weapon, and it, like all other weapons, would only serve one purpose.

  • 07.19.2009 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: The EAKLE
Quit with this repetitive comment on "you should read this whole thread" BS, please. Nobody is going to read that many pages when they are new to the thread; all they get is the OP. I'll quit repetitive comments when people stop repeating things with the same answer. If they are going to post without reading the arguments, they will likely post stuff that has already been discussed. Im not going to get into a major discussion about my "BR is better at close range" comment again, or why the BR is the same as the M6D but different. We have been over this, we dont need ot go over it again.

Yes, the BR has an advantage over the AR. It should, but it has a massive advantage over the AR where the AR onnly gets an advantage at close range. On top of that, the BR has an advantage over long range weapons because it has a larger clip and faster rate of fire then snipers and rockets.
As I said in my other post; Battle Rifles were designed with longer range and high power in mind. Assault Rifles were designed with intermediate power, and medium range in mind. The BR is right to have an advantage over the AR in long range, and in the hands of a skilled person in medium range because it is a more powerful weapon, both in real life and in the game.

Let's take a look at a real life Battle Rifle and Sniper Rifle. The M14 is a battle rifle, and has a decent range and good stopping power with its 7.62x54 NATO round. It also has a sniper variant, the M21, that shoots the exact same round, but has a heavier barrel for increased accuracy and range, and no automatic fire. If you were to put the two against eachother, a skilled warfighter with the M14 could beat one with the M21, and vise versa. The same is true for the BR and sniper of Halo.

  • 07.19.2009 6:28 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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Why not make a playlist of playlists with ars and all that good stuff you like to see happen and a playlist with brs on the map and everything like it kinda was in halo 3 i think that would be better. and that br is not that hard to use.

  • 07.19.2009 6:29 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

Posted by: The EAKLE
The AR has a reduced clip, and the BR is less effective than it used to be, but still too effective. Sure, now teh BR cant kill the AR across maps like the M6D nearly could, but it still outranges it by a lot.

I said nearly every situation; The AR is overpowered by a BR in nearly every situation.


I don't know how many more times I can say this -THE AR IS A CLOSE RANGE WEAPON!

In all of the Halo games, the AR and smg have been intended as CLOSE RANGE weapons. That is just the way it is. This is just a fundamental aspect of Halo 3. If you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't play the game.

I'm sure you are one of the few that believes the BR is too strong. Anyway, I'm done posting here, you are too stubborn to listen to what I and tons of other people have to say. Unless of course you are just trolling in which case I must say well done, it worked quite well.


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  • 07.19.2009 6:29 PM PDT

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Quit with this repetitive comment on "you should read this whole thread" BS, please. Nobody is going to read that many pages when they are new to the thread; all they get is the OP. I'll quit repetitive comments when people stop repeating things with the same answer. If they are going to post without reading the arguments, they will likely post stuff that has already been discussed. Im not going to get into a major discussion about my "BR is better at close range" comment again, or why the BR is the same as the M6D but different. We have been over this, we dont need ot go over it again.

Yes, the BR has an advantage over the AR. It should, but it has a massive advantage over the AR where the AR onnly gets an advantage at close range. On top of that, the BR has an advantage over long range weapons because it has a larger clip and faster rate of fire then snipers and rockets.
As I said in my other post; Battle Rifles were designed with longer range and high power in mind. Assault Rifles were designed with intermediate power, and medium range in mind. The BR is right to have an advantage over the AR in long range, and in the hands of a skilled person in medium range because it is a more powerful weapon, both in real life and in the game.

Let's take a look at a real life Battle Rifle and Sniper Rifle. The M14 is a battle rifle, and has a decent range and good stopping power with its 7.62x54 NATO round. It also has a sniper variant, the M21, that shoots the exact same round, but has a heavier barrel for increased accuracy and range, and no automatic fire. If you were to put the two against eachother, a skilled warfighter with the M14 could beat one with the M21, and vise versa. The same is true for the BR and sniper of Halo.
Halo has never been about realism. It involves super soldiers fighting aleins whose gunse fir pure energy. We also had a pistol that tore through energy shields and armor faster than almost every other gun.

  • 07.19.2009 6:30 PM PDT

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[/quote]The AR has a reduced clip, and the BR is less effective than it used to be, but still too effective. Sure, now teh BR cant kill the AR across maps like the M6D nearly could, but it still outranges it by a lot.

I said nearly every situation; The AR is overpowered by a BR in nearly every situation.


I don't know how many more times I can say this -THE AR IS A CLOSE RANGE WEAPON!

In all of the Halo games, the AR and smg have been intended as CLOSE RANGE weapons. That is just the way it is. This is just a fundamental aspect of Halo 3. If you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't play the game.

I'm sure you are one of the few that believes the BR is too strong. Anyway, I'm done posting here, you are too stubborn to listen to what I and tons of other people have to say. Unless of course you are just trolling in which case I must say well done, it worked quite well.
I dont see how im the stubborn on when you are also bringing up the exact same point you where before.

Yes, the AR is close range. The BR beats it at mid range, long range, and even sometimes close range, although that is not very often. The BR also beats SMGs, PRs, Spikers, M6Gs, PPs, Maulers, shotguns, and energy swords. It also beats the Sniper and rocket at mid and close range.

  • 07.19.2009 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: The EAKLE
I never said it is overpowered at long range
ummm, you just did.
i said it overpowers long ranged weapons.

You must be playing people who aren't very good then. Maybe you should play some ranked and get up where you belong.

The Sniper is hit or miss and only kills in 2 shots. How is that hard? It's pretty easy for me. The BR gradually does damage since it has such a ridiculously wide spread and kills in 4 shots or 12 bullets. At long range the BR is not a 5 or 6 shot, and most likely not even a 7 shot. It takes a long time to kill someone at long range with the BR. That actually is a huge complaint in this community, and that it makes the game less fun, and thus why people liked the M6D and Halo:CE much better.

If you still are stuck on this idea of yours, then go and check out some of the MLG tourny vids, and then tell me that the Sniper is being overpowered by the BR (which also has 110% damage). I don't even play MLG or visit their forums all that much, but at least I'm not this naive.


A 5-shot BR would just slow gameplay. Maaking it less effective at long range, and maybe even slightly decreasing the rate of fire, would make it effective only as a mid range weapon, and it, like all other weapons, would only serve one purpose.Well, I'm glad Bungie is designing their games, even with all the disagreements I've had over the years with them.

  • 07.19.2009 6:39 PM PDT

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Quit with this repetitive comment on "you should read this whole thread" BS, please. Nobody is going to read that many pages when they are new to the thread; all they get is the OP. I'll quit repetitive comments when people stop repeating things with the same answer. If they are going to post without reading the arguments, they will likely post stuff that has already been discussed. Im not going to get into a major discussion about my "BR is better at close range" comment again, or why the BR is the same as the M6D but different. We have been over this, we dont need ot go over it again.

Yes, the BR has an advantage over the AR. It should, but it has a massive advantage over the AR where the AR onnly gets an advantage at close range. On top of that, the BR has an advantage over long range weapons because it has a larger clip and faster rate of fire then snipers and rockets.
As I said in my other post; Battle Rifles were designed with longer range and high power in mind. Assault Rifles were designed with intermediate power, and medium range in mind. The BR is right to have an advantage over the AR in long range, and in the hands of a skilled person in medium range because it is a more powerful weapon, both in real life and in the game.

Let's take a look at a real life Battle Rifle and Sniper Rifle. The M14 is a battle rifle, and has a decent range and good stopping power with its 7.62x54 NATO round. It also has a sniper variant, the M21, that shoots the exact same round, but has a heavier barrel for increased accuracy and range, and no automatic fire. If you were to put the two against eachother, a skilled warfighter with the M14 could beat one with the M21, and vise versa. The same is true for the BR and sniper of Halo.
Halo has never been about realism. It involves super soldiers fighting aleins whose gunse fir pure energy. We also had a pistol that tore through energy shields and armor faster than almost every other gun.
No, Halo's storyline isn't realistic, but the weapons of the UNSC are. We have Battle Rifles and Assault Rifles today, and when you compare them to what they are in the game, they match up pretty darn well. Also, the M6D is the Battle Rifle, do the math on the clip amount and how many headshots it takes to kill, they are one in the same.

Maybe you should take a physics class as well. Plasma is not pure energy, it is ionized gas at extreme temperature.

  • 07.19.2009 6:44 PM PDT

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Well what about AR noobs? you know the ones that actually try to rush and kill you while you have a BR. Come on is it our fault that people dont know how to use a BR? and if you look at my service record i believe that my tool of destruction is Melee. and plus if you fire the AR continuously and don't go for the Melee kill they can't 3 headshot melee you. So Technically it all goes down to if a player knows how to fight or not. i think.

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i truly have trouble believing this... who would want the game to run on all ARs? Teamwork would disappear, all maps would have to be CQC, multikills would be a thing of the past, and halo would become a beatdown fest. MLG's business would go down the toilet, no one would want to watch halo. all skill would be removed from the game.... we dont need another CoD, ive seen enough of them already

  • 07.19.2009 8:31 PM PDT

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Ok this has gone far enough. Let me explain things in a more detailed manner. You want the BR weakened or taken away because it kills close range weapons in most situations. However the thing is. Close range weapons are ONLY suppose to be useful in close range combat. That's the main problem with your argument and statement. A mid range weapon is suppose to dominate a close range weapon ALL THE TIME OUTSIDE OF CLOSE RANGE! Now, your other complaint is that the BR is the most used weapon in the game when your fighting decent people. Now, the problem with this complaint is that most players want to avoid a close range battle at all costs. The reason for that is most people get jumpy or scared in close range fights and they often end up being luck or whoever shot the first bullet. Most decent players want to fight mid range because this allows them to have a few options. One they can run away if low shield, two throw grenades, or three strafe and continue shooting. Most battles are mid range because most people like the benefits that mid range combat gives. IE the option to run away etc. And now for your argument about the BR having an advantage over long range weapons. Bungie designed both the carbine and the BR to be able to do some damage long range in order for someone to protect themselves against a sniper. If the BR or Carbine could not hit or kill a sniper, then the sniper would be god of the entire game. Close range weapons cannot hit a sniper,. and a good sniper would not allow a player come to close range. So your argument and statements are pretty much invalid because both the majority and bungie want it this way. Bungie declared that Halo 3 weapon sandbox is perfect and will most likely not be changed.

  • 07.19.2009 9:17 PM PDT

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Like many users have said I doubt Bungie will have the BR in Reach. I dont think that the BR should be removed but why not add a selectable fire option to it. If you could change it from single to three round burst it would most likely even it out. I think it would be a neat idea for people who play swat alot to have the selectable fire option.

  • 07.19.2009 9:39 PM PDT
Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach
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Stand. Fight. Resist. S2F.

I personally think the BR is good where it's at. The clip size can be reduced, but the spread shouldn't change. We have no long range ballistics weapons as it is, except the sniper rifle. The Halo: CE AR would be a good choice for reach. It had a nice distance and accuracy and was way better than the Halo 3 AR, which you need to be within 20 feet of the person to do any real damage.

  • 07.19.2009 10:06 PM PDT
Subject: Alter/Replace the BR in Halo: Reach Update-7/16/09 New weapons added

Posted by: II Adam West II
[/quote]Maybe if you read this whole thread you wouldnt make posts like this. Yes, an AR beats a BR at close range. I meant that just out of the ARs range -still a rather short range- the BR will usually win.[/quote]

That would be because the BR is designed for mid - long range combat. Clearly you love your AR , but unfortunately it is meant to be used for short range combat. The BR is NOT overpowered, and has been nerfed substantially since halo 2. Spread is random and not nearly as tight and shots never register correctly on xbl. The BR already has been nerfed and does not need to be any weaker.

The AR is the most effective it has been in Halo history so stop complaining. The pistol in Halo 1 was a 3 shot kill and was more accurate than the H3 br. The halo 2 br was hitscan, could instantly reload, and had a much tighter reticule with almost perfect accuracy. Combined with button glitches, it was unstoppable. The AR (or smg in h2) didn't stand a chance against these weapons.

The AR in Halo 3 is the must useful it has ever been and the BR is extremely nerfed. You should just learn to play with the weapons as they were meant to be used. If you actually learned how to use the BR correctly then you would see that each weapon has its place, and that H3 is the most balanced Halo game to date regarding weapons.


Thank you! H3 the most balanced. Well more so than H2, H:CE was pretty balanced, besides the pistol.

  • 07.19.2009 11:27 PM PDT
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The EAKLE it seems to me your only actually listening to posts you want to hear and not trying to understand the other side of the argument. Halo has always been played this way and it works and it's not going to change period and Bungie are definitely not going to listen to your arguments as they are incredibly flawed so just come to terms with it, most the posts that are insulting you (slightly) are bringing up very valid points so actually read them.

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  • 07.20.2009 2:59 AM PDT
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Its kinda unfair to make the "You must be bad at Halo" or "People just cant play Halo and thats why weapons dont work". Weapons have to be fun regardless of skill level. Thats a game not weapon problem if weapons only work with the experinced players.
Back to the actual topic,the Br has issues, im not denying that, but it has the potential to be the a very good mid range weapon. It's problem really is that it is so realiable, that its medium levels of damage is too good .And because of its 3-shot nature, it is unwise to tweek the damage as its very hard to find a balance with type of weapon firing.
The true solution to the Halo curse of the mid-range starting weapon (that has plagued every game thus far) most likely lies in the BR and i think there are three solutions,
A) Lower the realiablity For example add slight recoil.
B) Reduce the amount of BR starting gametypes and BR's on all maps
C)Make a new weapon that can bridge the gap between the BR and sniper, and reduce the BR's long range effectiveness.
Of course this is just speculation. Im not a weapon's designer and am not claiming to be, so these ideas probably have flaws that really only experts like Bungie can truly figure out and fix, so in that regard i agree entirely with Jiggly's final cpmment, im glad bungie makes the games and we just have to enjoy them

  • 07.20.2009 3:03 AM PDT
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For people in favour of this I'd hate to see you guys play H1 and H2, because every idea that you guys has said have already been done and implemented into the next game to make it more balanced and easier for new players, so as you can see this is not the solution, you will only be making the same mistakes as before.
The only possible solution like many people have already said yet you guys are ignoring, is to make all the other weapons more effective and useful instead of changing/removing the BR.
When it comes down to it, all the halo games have been like this and even worse in previous games, so if you don't like it you shouldn't be playing Halo, you guys have had your way long enough, if the next game gets dumbed down anymore for the feeble minded I will not play it period, bungie have already ruined Halo enough as it is so just stop, you guys are not smart enough to know what you want from a game.

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  • 07.20.2009 3:29 AM PDT