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Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

Posted by: WhatThaSmurf
I actually just talked about how that problem could be solved without destroying canon. Here, let me fetch it for you.

Posted by: WhatThaSmurf
It would not interfere with canon to have the BR in multiplayer if at some point late in the campaign you could find one.

I really need to start reading all the posts before I post -.-

  • 07.15.2009 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: WhatThaSmurf
"The Battle Rifle was first used canonically in Halo: Contact Harvest as a prototype, and is first introduced to the Spartans during Halo: First Strike in the tunnels beneath Reach, but it was introduced to gamers in Halo 2."
-from Halopedia

The BR was never used during the actual Battle of Reach.


Cool. That is a possible reason why the Battle rifle wouldn't be in the campaign.

Give me a reason why it won't be in the multiplayer.

I'd also like to see a quote from the Fall of Reach book that said that the spartans didn't use any battle rifles. The book really doesn't go into detail about what exactly happened to half the spartans on the ground. Who is to say that they didn't get some battle rifles there? There are easy ways of working around the canon people.
Very true. And who's to say that the Spartans we see are the ones from Fall of Reach? From what we can tell from the announcement trailer, Reach will probably tell a different story, (that is to say, event that took place elsewere when the Spartans from John's group were going planet side).

  • 07.15.2009 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Defiant Assasin
what the smurf...

Nothing just that in five hundred year you dont think we can a -Blam!- computer to it and make a br?
Any way just no if bungie wants to take it away they will if they dont they wont.

OK, so what does the fact that an assault rifle with burst fire mode could be fitted with an ammo counter have to do with whether or not the BR should be in Reach?

  • 07.15.2009 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: WhatThaSmurf
Posted by: Defiant Assasin
what the smurf...

Nothing just that in five hundred year you dont think we can a -Blam!- computer to it and make a br?
Any way just no if bungie wants to take it away they will if they dont they wont.

OK, so what does the fact that an assault rifle with burst fire mode could be fitted with an ammo counter have to do with whether or not the BR should be in Reach?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING its just that in real life if someone dies do you think what gun the guy used to kill him anyway as i said it has nothing to do with it and i see you didnt read the rest of my post

  • 07.15.2009 3:08 PM PDT

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I hope the BR is removed, I am getting sick of having to use the same weapon all the time. We have had to use the same mid-range weapon for two games, its time for something new.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 3:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 3:12 PM PDT

You can have your opinion.

Personally i believe a game is much better when you start out with an all-purpose weapon. You have no idea how bland a game gets when you have to spend time going after a better weapon. I hate starting with a weak weapon. I also like having a weapon that takes some skill to use. Actual AIMING.

FPS play better when they're based on weapons that revolve around one gun. Linear FPS start out with one weak weapon and make you work up. I find that doing that breaks gameplay.

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/facepalm
I guess you did not read my epic post. Or you cant handle the truth.


The reason that people were satisfied with the AR and Pistol in Halo CE was because the Pistol was much more accurate and destructive than it is now, the equivalent of a BR. In halo 2 the BR became popular because the Pistol was less powerful and less accurate, Multiplayer also had an effect on the battle rifle, which wasnt added until Halo 2.

Dont assume everyone who posts is an idiot and that you are awesome.


Exactly. The BR is essentially supposed to fill in the role of the Pistol from the first game. And if you take out the BR, you might as well nix the Carbine as well.

And couldn't any problem associated with it's being "over-powered" be addressed by having it do less damage as opposed to throwing it out entirely?

[Edited on 07.15.2009 3:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 3:43 PM PDT

I think BR doesnt feel like "Halo". Its too UBerPWnnGMLGXXONETHUSiRefuteThee gun!
It doesnt look so Futuristic, it doesnt fit in Halo world, and it doesnt feel Macho (Any gun didnt feel macho after the Halo 2 except the Human Turret.)
I think the Dual Wielding should be removed. It ruined the Covenant weaponry.

  • 07.15.2009 3:54 PM PDT
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That was honestly one of the most horrible arguments I have ever read, or, rather, it had some horrible parts, and you should edit some of your post. First-The Halo 1 Pistol was THE MOST OVERPOWERED WEAPON I HAVE EVER SEEN. It makes the BR look like a nerfed AR. It was automatic, a 3 shot kill, and it had a scope with pin point accuracy. Second-MLG was around during if not before Halo 1, and Halo 2 and the BR only served to make them popular. MLG likes the BR because it is the most versatile (ableit overpowered) weapon in the game, and it kills fast. Third-blaming one weapon for killing a game (let alone when it is one of if not the most popular ones out there) is completely out of line. Halo 2 and 3 are both great.

Now, some of you thread makes sense and is good. 1.The BR makes going out into the open extremely hard to do. So, in affect, it does promote camping. HOWEVER, the same could be said for the Sniper, or any other possible mid range weapon. The only solution would be nerfing anything greater than medium range... which is ridiculous for the entire game. Part of Halo is taking risks by going out into the open to travel or to get desirable items. I think they should not tone the BR down, so much as they should only keep small amounts of them (4-6) with small amounts on ammo (2 full clips) and with large respawn times (60-120 seconds). It should be a counter-sniper weapon, and it is too overpowered to be used as it is. This means that Bungie should introduce another MID-range (not mid-long range) weapon such as the pistol that would be a good, versatile weapon that is not as powerful as the BR. I think the Carbine could be used more, as its traits make it much more mid-range than mid-long range.

2. The main thing here is-if you put a mid-long range weapon in a game, and make it too powerful, or don't limit it enough, it will negatively affect the game. This is my opinion, but I believe it to be correct. Reach needs a less powerful or less available BR in favor of a new starting weapon, whether or not it be the pistol or some of the other ideas (SCR) that have been going around this forum, that is a true MID-RANGE WEAPON.

  • 07.15.2009 3:58 PM PDT

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I somewhat agree and somewhat dont.

I agree because the weapon isnt really needed and is all too powerful in a skilled weilders hands.

I disagree because whether or not it is needed it is a popular and important weapon in the halo universe.

  • 07.15.2009 4:07 PM PDT
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We had a BR in Halo:CE it was called the pistol.

In all seriousness, the first canonical appearance of a BR so far was in Contact Harvest, much before the Fall of Reach. The BR may make a few appearances, but at that time it was not a widespread military weapon.

  • 07.15.2009 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: STiS
omfg

yes lets eliminate mid range combat what a great idea

facepalm

He or she was not suggesting to remove mid-range combat, only to replace the BR with something more balanced.
Posted by: STiS
honestly this is the stupidest thing i have ever read

OP all your points are based on the false logic that HCE had no BR

a dat dat HELLO...the pistol was the BR smarts

That was unnecessary, the OP (original poster or post?) is entitled to his or her opinion just as you are entitled to your opinion. I could just as easily say that your opinion on something is stupid because you disagree with me but I won't because that is your opinion.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 4:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 4:10 PM PDT
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I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(

  • 07.15.2009 4:11 PM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

Posted by: jace gamer
I somewhat agree and somewhat dont.

I agree because the weapon isnt really needed and is all too powerful in a skilled weilders hands.

I disagree because whether or not it is needed it is a popular and important weapon in the halo universe.
I like this argument. And really, the overpowered bit is true of just about any weapon. I've played snipers who can zip of rounds like nobody's business. Does that mean it's over powered? Not at all. How about the shotgun, the rocket launcher? What about the carbine? The mauler? So many weapons can fit this category.

  • 07.15.2009 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Welsh
I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(


So you want six year old warfare where everyone is running around pissing bullets and spamming nades?

  • 07.15.2009 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Defiant Assasin
Posted by: WhatThaSmurf
Posted by: Defiant Assasin
what the smurf...

Nothing just that in five hundred year you dont think we can a -Blam!- computer to it and make a br?
Any way just no if bungie wants to take it away they will if they dont they wont.

OK, so what does the fact that an assault rifle with burst fire mode could be fitted with an ammo counter have to do with whether or not the BR should be in Reach?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING its just that in real life if someone dies do you think what gun the guy used to kill him anyway as i said it has nothing to do with it and i see you didnt read the rest of my post
Your posts are EXTREMELY difficult to understand.

  • 07.15.2009 4:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Toa Freak
Posted by: jace gamer
I somewhat agree and somewhat dont.

I agree because the weapon isnt really needed and is all too powerful in a skilled weilders hands.

I disagree because whether or not it is needed it is a popular and important weapon in the halo universe.
I like this argument. And really, the overpowered bit is true of just about any weapon. I've played snipers who can zip of rounds like nobody's business. Does that mean it's over powered? Not at all. How about the shotgun, the rocket launcher? What about the carbine? The mauler? So many weapons can fit this category.
So true.

  • 07.15.2009 4:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: luwvz mcenzie
BR defeats the purpose of balanced weapons, even the carbine (the BR's retarted brother) doesnt stand a chance. people try to counter the BR with the carbine, put simply if you miss one shot you will get this reward:

"spawning in 3,2,1..."


Funny thing is, you can hit every shot and still die with the BR in that situation.

That's just an example of rewarding a player for accuracy. I don't see a problem with that. In fact, that's exactly what should happen.

  • 07.15.2009 4:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Welsh
I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(


It's not the BR that made Halo competitive. It's the community and( to a lesser extent) the ranking system that made Halo competitive.

(And in my experience, Halo has always been a good mixture of goofing off and being competitive.)


[Edited on 07.15.2009 4:20 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 4:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: NsU Soldier
Posted by: Welsh
I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(


It's not the BR that made Halo competitive. It's the community and to a lesser extent the ranking system that made Halo competitive.

(And in my experience, Halo has always been a good mixture of goofing off and being competitive.)


This^^

  • 07.15.2009 4:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: NsU Soldier
Posted by: Welsh
I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(


It's not the BR that made Halo competitive. It's the community and( to a lesser extent) the ranking system that made Halo competitive.

(And in my experience, Halo has always been a good mixture of goofing off and being competitive.)


True, I honestly don't mind Halo being competive but keep it in the ranked playlists at least. It annyoys that when I go into Social Slayer to just have some good old fun I find out that it's almost identical to ranked as everyone is running around with their BR's. Boring!

  • 07.15.2009 4:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: Welsh
Posted by: NsU Soldier
Posted by: Welsh
I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(


It's not the BR that made Halo competitive. It's the community and( to a lesser extent) the ranking system that made Halo competitive.

(And in my experience, Halo has always been a good mixture of goofing off and being competitive.)


True, I honestly don't mind Halo being competive but keep it in the ranked playlists at least. It annyoys that when I go into Social Slayer to just have some good old fun I find out that it's almost identical to ranked as everyone is running around with their BR's. Boring!


So getting kills is boring for you?

  • 07.15.2009 4:27 PM PDT