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Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

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Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: Welsh
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Posted by: Welsh
I really hope the BR doesn't return.

Halo used to be about fun and randomnous now it's all gone competive :(


It's not the BR that made Halo competitive. It's the community and( to a lesser extent) the ranking system that made Halo competitive.

(And in my experience, Halo has always been a good mixture of goofing off and being competitive.)


True, I honestly don't mind Halo being competive but keep it in the ranked playlists at least. It annyoys that when I go into Social Slayer to just have some good old fun I find out that it's almost identical to ranked as everyone is running around with their BR's. Boring!


So getting kills is boring for you?

They are if you have to use the same weapon over and over again to get kills.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 4:30 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 4:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Welsh
True, I honestly don't mind Halo being competive but keep it in the ranked playlists at least. It annyoys that when I go into Social Slayer to just have some good old fun I find out that it's almost identical to ranked as everyone is running around with their BR's. Boring!


I understand where you're coming from, but I think that has more to do with BR playlist variants that make the weapon more prevalent. Which in turn, exist because of a lack of a single good starting weapon. And this is an argument, for a different place. Namely this place.

I still find that even if the BR is overpowered, that Bungie could tweak it's power/spread/whatever instead of having to remove it entirely out of the sequel. Which is what the OP desires.

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Put it this way.

NO BRs=NO SWAT.
NO BRs=NO MLG.
NO BRs=MLG PRO CARREER RUINED.
NO BRs=NO SKILL INVOLVED IN HALO.

WHY DO YOU THINK BUNGIE PUT THE VETOE OPTION ON??????????????????????

ARs DONT TAKE MUCH SKILL TO USE, OK?

DONT TRY IT BUNGIE. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.

  • 07.15.2009 4:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: STiS
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Posted by: STiS
omfg

yes lets eliminate mid range combat what a great idea

facepalm

He or she was not suggesting to remove mid-range combat, only to replace the BR with something more balanced.
Posted by: STiS
honestly this is the stupidest thing i have ever read

OP all your points are based on the false logic that HCE had no BR

a dat dat HELLO...the pistol was the BR smarts

That was unnecessary, the OP (original poster or post?) is entitled to his or her opinion just as you are entitled to your opinion. I could just as easily say that your opinion on something is stupid because you disagree with me but I won't because that is your opinion.


ya youre right the H3 BR is not balanced

the H2 BR was

if you suck at the game you should get owned by better players

theres a ranking system and MM...improve that stop holding bad players hands

and the OP responded rudely to the first few posts that i read so he does not get5 any common courtesy

You are right, if you are not good at the game then you should be getting killed by better players, but that is not my problem with the BR. My problem with the BR is that it is the most overused weapon in the game making, almost all other weapons useless.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 4:35 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: FinestCrimson
You are right, if you are not good at the game then you should be getting killed by better players, but that is not my problem with the BR. My problem with the BR is that it is the most overused weapon in the game making, almost all other weapons useless.


If it wasn't the BR it would be another weapon.

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Posted by: Patrick Ward
Put it this way.

NO BRs=NO SWAT.
NO BRs=NO MLG.
NO BRs=MLG PRO CARREER RUINED.
NO BRs=NO SKILL INVOLVED IN HALO.

WHY DO YOU THINK BUNGIE PUT THE VETOE OPTION ON??????????????????????

ARs DONT TAKE MUCH SKILL TO USE, OK?

DONT TRY IT BUNGIE. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.


Even if I am for the BR in Reach they are for NONE of these reasons. (Well, maybe SWAT...)

And a true "Major League Gamer" would adapt to any new weapons, and develop new strategies for them. That is, the ones who aren't good with just the one weapon. Anyway this is all besides the point.

The BR should be included in Halo: Reach because it fills a vital role of Mid-Range weapon. And if the BR was removed, another eerily similar weapon would just have to replace it.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 4:39 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 4:37 PM PDT

The Forum Ninjas are asleep.

Posted by: Patrick Ward
Put it this way.

NO BRs=NO SWAT.
NO BRs=NO MLG.
NO BRs=MLG PRO CARREER RUINED.
NO BRs=NO SKILL INVOLVED IN HALO.

WHY DO YOU THINK BUNGIE PUT THE VETOE OPTION ON??????????????????????

ARs DONT TAKE MUCH SKILL TO USE, OK?

DONT TRY IT BUNGIE. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.
Swat was the only truth

  • 07.15.2009 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: STiS
thats halo gamplay...always has been always will be

What? Only using one weapon? In Halo 1 the pistol was used a lot but even the plasma rifle was useful. Now it is only good for taking out shields quickly, and even then not many people use it.

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Posted by: FinestCrimson
Posted by: STiS
thats halo gamplay...always has been always will be

What? Only using one weapon? In Halo 1 the pistol was used a lot but even the plasma rifle was useful. Now it is only good for taking out shields quickly, and even then not many people use it.


There are PLENTY of useful weapons out there besides the BR you know. StiS you're hurting your case for why the BR should be in Reach the more and more you talk. Even though I disagree with FinestCrimson, he can at least come up with understandable counter-points/concerns.

  • 07.15.2009 4:43 PM PDT
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Honestly, I think the BR is a great weapon to leave in the game. Also, it's not a starting weapon unless it's a BR match where everyone gets one and even then its still fair.
True, it's a very powerful weapon in the right hands, but a sword is not meant to run at someone from afar and same with a shotgun. A mauler too. They are close range surprise weapons. All mid-long range weapons will win if they know you have one. Maybe even a close range one will win on others.
Honestly to me, it sounds like you are just -blam!-ing because you get those who are very good at using BRs and then your taken out easily. Maybe even one who runs around with the power weapons. BRs are the perfect offense to those noobs that camp the power weapons.
I used to be like "BRs are cheap!" but after learning how to use one effectively and becoming better at the game and now I can use most weapons fairly effectively.
I'm not sure what your case is, but to me it sounds like you just need to use a BR in return. To beat a long range weapon, you need a long range weapon unless you can get in close. Then an AR I find to be better and faster than a BR.

  • 07.15.2009 4:46 PM PDT

Knowledge talks, wisdom listens.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Actually, I find that I'm more invincible without pants, which is why I am not wearing any at the moment.

I hope its not in Reach. Its a terribly overrated weapons little kids use so they think their pro.

  • 07.15.2009 5:00 PM PDT

im very sorry but i really can take this thread seriously because when someone wants the best gun in the game removed well then i think they are retarded. the BR is such a great weapon in halo 3 but in halo 2 it destroyed everything. and yes the BR was in the halo series before reach. (when Johnson was fighting the jackals on the freighter.) thou it didn't make it appearance until halo novels and in halo 2

the BR is a great weapon it was nerfed a little from halo 2 with the spread being change. a pistol is not a mid ranged weapon in any game expect halo:CE.

i bet, hell i even know more people like to use the battle rifle then the AR. the SMG is so much more awesome compare to the AR.

the AR lacks serious damage against the BR. the BR does more damge and it is also enormously more accurate. the only way to lose to a AR in a firefight is if they get the first set of shots or if your majorly with the BR.

it would so stupid if they got rid of the BR all together, like not used in the future games.

  • 07.15.2009 5:06 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: Patrick Ward
Put it this way.

NO BRs=NO SWAT.
NO BRs=NO MLG.
NO BRs=MLG PRO CARREER RUINED.
NO BRs=NO SKILL INVOLVED IN HALO.

WHY DO YOU THINK BUNGIE PUT THE VETOE OPTION ON??????????????????????

ARs DONT TAKE MUCH SKILL TO USE, OK?

DONT TRY IT BUNGIE. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.


All the stuff you mentioned, makes me more in favor of not wanting the BR even more.

If the AR takes no skill, then why not play against someone in favor of no BRs and in favor of having ARs in a 1v1 ARs and if you beat him, you can now officially say it requires no skill.

Until then... *scoff*

  • 07.15.2009 5:11 PM PDT

Why the hell are you looking at this? Get out.

And no group invites, you jerk. I'm not interested.

Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
All the stuff you mentioned, makes me more in favor of not wanting the BR even more.

If the AR takes no skill, then why not play against someone in favor of no BRs and in favor of having ARs in a 1v1 ARs and if you beat him, you can now officially say it requires no skill.

Until then... *scoff*
Not to mention the current AR features a recoil system, requiring one to adjust his firing rate for accuracy.

  • 07.15.2009 5:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: Patrick Ward
Put it this way.

NO BRs=NO SWAT.
NO BRs=NO MLG.
NO BRs=MLG PRO CARREER RUINED.
NO BRs=NO SKILL INVOLVED IN HALO.

WHY DO YOU THINK BUNGIE PUT THE VETOE OPTION ON??????????????????????

ARs DONT TAKE MUCH SKILL TO USE, OK?

DONT TRY IT BUNGIE. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.


All the stuff you mentioned, makes me more in favor of not wanting the BR even more.

If the AR takes no skill, then why not play against someone in favor of no BRs and in favor of having ARs in a 1v1 ARs and if you beat him, you can now officially say it requires no skill.

Until then... *scoff*


I would take you up on this offer, but sadly my x-box is gone and I am awaiting funds to free up to get a new one.

Although I don't think there is no such thing as a "no skill" weapon, I do think the AR comes pretty close to it, and is probably one of the easiest weapons to use in the game. Although that sounds like a reason to me to use it as a starting weapon, I just think the BR is better for most circumstances, especially things like team shooting.

  • 07.15.2009 5:21 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: STiS
Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: Patrick Ward
Put it this way.

NO BRs=NO SWAT.
NO BRs=NO MLG.
NO BRs=MLG PRO CARREER RUINED.
NO BRs=NO SKILL INVOLVED IN HALO.

WHY DO YOU THINK BUNGIE PUT THE VETOE OPTION ON??????????????????????

ARs DONT TAKE MUCH SKILL TO USE, OK?

DONT TRY IT BUNGIE. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT.


All the stuff you mentioned, makes me more in favor of not wanting the BR even more.

If the AR takes no skill, then why not play against someone in favor of no BRs and in favor of having ARs in a 1v1 ARs and if you beat him, you can now officially say it requires no skill.

Until then... *scoff*


1v1 ARs rofl

why dont you just save time and do rock paper scissors


So is that a coward's excuse? I believe so.

  • 07.15.2009 5:22 PM PDT

I agree with the OP. I remember when Halo 3 first came out the and the starting weapon was the AR. People used the sword, the shotgun, the rockets, basically, anything. Now, with the BR as the starting weapon, I'll walk around the map finding all kinds of weapons, even strong ones. The BR is overpowered, it is not balanced for a good starting weapon.

  • 07.15.2009 5:32 PM PDT

Wow is all i can say....of course people think that the BR is "Pro" becuase it is in MLG and you also notice that your so called amazing Halo 1 wasn't MLG...hmm....and if you take the BR out what do you want us to do AR someone cross map? a pistol just won't cut it....you also said that BR owns people even at close range, i beg to differ, a BR does take three shots then a melee to kill but the amount of AR bullets it takes to do the same ammount of damage are fired at a quicker rate leading to quicker kills...and the reason you hate the BR so much is probably because you suck with it, you probably can't straffe or hit head shots, which you honestly don't have to do with an AR...so yes I do believe that a BR is a pro weapon because it takes actually having skill to use it, just like any other weapon such as the snipe, carbine, sword, shotgun, all of these take skill to use...and u arent forced to camp with short range weapons just because of the BR, most of the times its because of snipes spawn killing people or someone has rockets, and truthfully if you were really skilled with these weapons u dont have camp with them, actually knowing the game and where people are gunna be help you prepare to use these weapons during game play and leaving you without the need to camp...sounds to me like someone can't get past a 30 and found something to blame it on, maybe instead of deleting the so called "Overpowered" BR you should just learn how to play smart, not necessarily meaning camping, more team play and overall skill not rushing in with your AR's blazing, there is a time and place for AR's, but as the main weapon they are not meant to be. One last thing, the BR was actually more powerful in Halo 2 than it is in Halo 3 and in Halo 2 you didn't have to lead the targets with it, requiring more skill to use it in Halo 3....basically what i'm saying is "Get Better"...have a nice day :)

  • 07.15.2009 5:45 PM PDT