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Subject: Remove the BR from Halo: Reach

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

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  • 07.15.2009 5:47 PM PDT

I think that if the BR was towned down, a Automag like wepon was added, and or a less powerful Halo CE pistol was added this would keep the "Skill" aspect of the BR while keeping it from being overpowered and adding some variety.

  • 07.15.2009 5:55 PM PDT

Some of this is true but not all lets say the BR got weaker with a greater spread how would you take out power weapons such as rockets snipers with a AR? If ARs are for close combat go ahead and rush a rocket user yeah that will really work right? Dont rely on the BR it would be to weak the rocket will blow you up before the sheilds were at 25%. Or try to beat the sniper with a AR from across the map yep thats a pro idea! BR spread couldent make it that far. The BR is here for a reason to take out power weapons and to win from a distance. It is possible to master any weapon so of course if you played longer a BR will be good at close range too.

  • 07.15.2009 6:21 PM PDT

Wow is all i can say....of course people think that the BR is "Pro" becuase it is in MLG and you also notice that your so called amazing Halo 1 wasn't MLG...hmm....and if you take the BR out what do you want us to do AR someone cross map? a pistol just won't cut it....you also said that BR owns people even at close range, i beg to differ, a BR does take three shots then a melee to kill but the amount of AR bullets it takes to do the same ammount of damage are fired at a quicker rate leading to quicker kills...and the reason you hate the BR so much is probably because you suck with it, you probably can't straffe or hit head shots, which you honestly don't have to do with an AR...so yes I do believe that a BR is a pro weapon because it takes actually having skill to use it, just like any other weapon such as the snipe, carbine, sword, shotgun, all of these take skill to use...and u arent forced to camp with short range weapons just because of the BR, most of the times its because of snipes spawn killing people or someone has rockets, and truthfully if you were really skilled with these weapons u dont have camp with them, actually knowing the game and where people are gunna be help you prepare to use these weapons during game play and leaving you without the need to camp...sounds to me like someone can't get past a 30 and found something to blame it on, maybe instead of deleting the so called "Overpowered" BR you should just learn how to play smart, not necessarily meaning camping, more team play and overall skill not rushing in with your AR's blazing, there is a time and place for AR's, but as the main weapon they are not meant to be. One last thing, the BR was actually more powerful in Halo 2 than it is in Halo 3 and in Halo 2 you didn't have to lead the targets with it, requiring more skill to use it in Halo 3....basically what i'm saying is "Get Better"...have a nice day :)

haha i like you.

  • 07.15.2009 6:40 PM PDT

Posted by: The EAKLE
With Halo 2 came Halo's introduction to MLG. Without the Assault Rifle, the only main weapon to have was the BR, so it became MLG's main weapon. Halo 2 quickly became incredibly popular, and the BR came with it.

Here's were i stopped reading because you lost all credibility.

  • 07.15.2009 7:07 PM PDT

Posted by: D PALMERIZER
Posted by: The EAKLE
With Halo 2 came Halo's introduction to MLG. Without the Assault Rifle, the only main weapon to have was the BR, so it became MLG's main weapon. Halo 2 quickly became incredibly popular, and the BR came with it.

Here's were i stopped reading because you lost all credibility.
No he didn't.

  • 07.15.2009 7:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Avian005
Posted by: D PALMERIZER
Posted by: The EAKLE
With Halo 2 came Halo's introduction to MLG. Without the Assault Rifle, the only main weapon to have was the BR, so it became MLG's main weapon. Halo 2 quickly became incredibly popular, and the BR came with it.

Here's were i stopped reading because you lost all credibility.
No he didn't.

Buddy why are you commenting about things you don't have any experience with?

  • 07.15.2009 7:13 PM PDT

Big Team Battle Multiflag/Slayer on Standoff/Valhalla/Sandtrap/Avalanche = Win

After they get rid of the BR, people will worship the Carbine...

  • 07.15.2009 7:27 PM PDT
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fail. just fail

  • 07.15.2009 7:30 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Well said. If they made the battle rifle do far less damage, it would greatly improve gameplay.

  • 07.15.2009 7:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: D PALMERIZER
Posted by: Avian005
Posted by: D PALMERIZER
Posted by: The EAKLE
With Halo 2 came Halo's introduction to MLG. Without the Assault Rifle, the only main weapon to have was the BR, so it became MLG's main weapon. Halo 2 quickly became incredibly popular, and the BR came with it.

Here's were i stopped reading because you lost all credibility.
No he didn't.

Buddy why are you commenting about things you don't have any experience with?
I lost all credibility? Fine, you tell me why they didnt have ARs in MLG, if not for the fact that they were no existent at the time. Enlighten me.

  • 07.15.2009 8:16 PM PDT

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/facepalm
I guess you did not read my epic post. Or you cant handle the truth.


The reason that people were satisfied with the AR and Pistol in Halo CE was because the Pistol was much more accurate and destructive than it is now, the equivalent of a BR. In halo 2 the BR became popular because the Pistol was less powerful and less accurate, Multiplayer also had an effect on the battle rifle, which wasnt added until Halo 2.

Dont assume everyone who posts is an idiot and that you are awesome.

The difference of single shot and burst fire made all the difference. If you think about it, we could just make the BR single shot, reduce it's clip, and it should work like the OP described for a new pistol.


Halo 2 demo BR, there is a youtube clip some where on the forum bottom of page 1, I believe
maybe we can add the Halo ODST pistol to Reach. Besides there needs to be a weapon that is more of an "accurate skilled set of headsots" for a kill rather than a "shoot is brains out with automactic fire" for the kill, yet the two guns should be equal in every way, but still have a slight edge over each other due to miniscule details of conditions based on distance, amount of shields and health, and who shot first. As long as these two guns are balance against each other equally the game will be a sucess

[Edited on 07.15.2009 8:49 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 8:21 PM PDT

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I enjoy Battlefield and Call of Duty, and Gears of War.

20 years old, manager of my family's business, aspiring officer of the law.

I love anything political.

but it wouldn't be the halo i know and loved...

  • 07.15.2009 8:22 PM PDT
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This entire thread is just basically saying "Hey, I suck with the br don't put it in okay?"

  • 07.15.2009 8:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Posted by: GxK DiSTuRbED
This entire thread is just basically saying "Hey, I suck with the br don't put it in okay?"
No, it is not, and if you had the attention span to read this thread you would know that. I am a bad player, i admit that, but i love the BR. The problem is how much it can be used and how often it appears. The issue is not how bad or good i am at this game. I have said this mmultiple times, but apparently you didnt feel like taking your time to read this all.

  • 07.15.2009 8:33 PM PDT

Posted by: GxK DiSTuRbED
This entire thread is just basically saying "Hey, I suck with the br don't put it in okay?"

Incorrect. Try again.

  • 07.15.2009 8:34 PM PDT

I completely agree with your analysis of the BR, and its Kill Racking ability.

However, if you were familiar with the history of Halo, by reading the graphic novels that have been written that describe the entire story, you would have realized that the BR's inclusion in Halo: Reach would be completely and utterly impossible. Unless BUNGIE decided to drastically reduce its combat efficiency. In the Graphic novel By Eric Nylund, HALO: First Strike, the BR is described as a new prototype weapon, unfortunately it is also described as a death machine as well. Now, HALO: First Strike takes place in between Halo: Combat Evolved, and Halo 2. It acts as the Bridge in between the stories, and how the Master Chief returned to Earth, as well as Johnson's story. The Military World known as REACH is taken over, and glassed, before Halo: Combat Evolved. Therefore, the all too familiar Battle Rifle could not possibly be incorporated into HALO: Reach without going against the written story.

I hope this was helpful, and maybe a wish come true haha.

  • 07.15.2009 8:42 PM PDT

This is Halo: Reach, not CE. Just set the BR at single shot and you got yourself a balanced mid-ranged weapon.

  • 07.15.2009 8:44 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: LooneyCass1
This is Halo: Reach, not CE. Just set the BR at single shot and you got yourself a balanced mid-ranged weapon.


I think the pistol has already sets the stage for that.

  • 07.15.2009 8:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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Apparently i missed a lot while i was watching Harry Potter. I have read the three and a half pages of hate, but i dont feel like quoting every single post then and tell why i either agree or disagree. Instead, i'll try to sum it all up.


Removing the BR would not kill the Hardcore playlists. SWAT could adapt to the new pistol and feature more Carbines. Im sure the real MLG pros (you know, the amazing guys who actually get payed for being so awesome) wont just drop Halo because a weapon is gone. They of all people can probably use a pistol great, adapt to more carbines, and maybe even show the AR a little love.

About the whole "We all have BRs, so its fair" and my comment about snipers evening out. The problem with multiple BRs is the versatility and the size of it's magazine. A sniper is very effective at long range, but only holds enough ammo to get 2-4 kills per clip. A BR on the other hand is effective at most ranges, and has enough ammo per clip for 3-4 (i think, i may be wrong) kills per clip. A sniper wont last long, but BRs can be used in almost any situation, and will last for a long, long time.

My comments about a BR being effective at close range. I want clear enough. Im not talking point blank here, i mean in the area where an AR reticule would be red. A BR seems pretty effective to me in that range, especially considering the fact that the BR wielder may score a hit or two before that range. Sorry for any confusion.

And thank you to the two people who thought sending me hate mail would be cool. That was awesome. By the way, you two need to work on your grammar a bit.

  • 07.15.2009 8:52 PM PDT

Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: LooneyCass1
This is Halo: Reach, not CE. Just set the BR at single shot and you got yourself a balanced mid-ranged weapon.


I think the pistol has already sets the stage for that.

I don't really think so. The purpose of a pistol is a backup weapon. Bungie could give the pistol a little more ammo, set the damage down, and then raise the damage on the BR, but a little less ammo....I'm still thinking about this. I'm not sure.

  • 07.15.2009 8:54 PM PDT

I am of an open mind and I am willing to hear criticism. Also: That's stupid and you're stupid.

Posted by: LooneyCass1
Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: LooneyCass1
This is Halo: Reach, not CE. Just set the BR at single shot and you got yourself a balanced mid-ranged weapon.


I think the pistol has already sets the stage for that.

I don't really think so. The purpose of a pistol is a backup weapon. Bungie could give the pistol a little more ammo, set the damage down, and then raise the damage on the BR, but a little less ammo....I'm still thinking about this. I'm not sure.


True, I guess with the evening out for both of these weapons in a way that one will be better than the other in certain scenarios could balance them out pretty well.

Wish I could explain better. I just hope Bungie will get the gist of it if they ever came by and saw this thread.

[Edited on 07.15.2009 9:00 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 8:58 PM PDT

They'll probably make a little joke/hint about it.
Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: LooneyCass1
Posted by: xXDarkCrimsonXx
Posted by: LooneyCass1
This is Halo: Reach, not CE. Just set the BR at single shot and you got yourself a balanced mid-ranged weapon.


I think the pistol has already sets the stage for that.

I don't really think so. The purpose of a pistol is a backup weapon. Bungie could give the pistol a little more ammo, set the damage down, and then raise the damage on the BR, but a little less ammo....I'm still thinking about this. I'm not sure.


True, I guess with the evening out for both of these weapons in a way that one will be better than the other in certain scenarios could balance them out pretty well.

Wish I could explain better. I just hope Bungie will get the gist of it if they ever came by and saw this thread.

  • 07.15.2009 9:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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I like my pistol idea. It would be a decent weapon for defending yourself, yet would encourage people to find better weapons (i.e. Carbine, power weapon, CQB weapon). It basically functions like the H3 pistol, but more efficient.

- 5-6 Headshot kill. 8 body shots.
- X1.5 scope. It makes it usefill for hitting targets at a range, but not too far. It would be used more for getting a better view then seeing twice as far.
-12-14 bullet magazine. Allows room for multiple kills with one clip.

  • 07.15.2009 9:04 PM PDT

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[Edited on 07.15.2009 9:09 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2009 9:04 PM PDT